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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

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On 2021-01-25 01:55, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 25 ian 21, 01:03:07, John Kaufmann wrote:
> ...
>> ... the background info links ... explain the origin
>> of the problem in spam control, and why bouncing list mail is not
>> nice, and what can and should be done about spam. I'm sympathetic to
>> the problem, but don't run my own mail server [I suspect many on this
>> list do so, and thus are closer to spam issues], and can never get my
>> ISP to care about this.
> 
> We can at least pester them about it. If enough of us do, eventually
> they will have no choice but to listen, especially in case of paying
> customers.

I avoid "free" mail services because I prefer not to be the commodity, so have been a paying customer (nb.net) forever. But nb.net no longer run their own MTA (maybe for just this reason?), farming it out to userservices.net. As a result they increasingly unresponsive to complaints. I have not figured out my next step.

> ...
>>
>> Is there an intelligent way to manage when spam control efforts break
>> the system they want to protect? Do the debian lists attempt to
>> control spam by blocking specific users, domains or ISPs?
> 
> Start here:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ

Yes, that is where I started, but it does not address what measures the debian lists use to control spam. This thread was the next step toward mitigating the problem on my end. Thanks for your reply.

Kind regards,
John

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