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Re: KDE run Dolphin as root?

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On Vi, 19 iun 20, 09:58:40, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 05:54:38AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Mi, 17 iun 20, 10:55:55, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > 
> > > Making things user friendly (something we *gotta* do) means sometimes
> > > taking decisions for the user. Where's the limit? Where's too much
> > > (authoritarian software)? Where's too litle (RTFM software)? You'll
> > > be wrong most of the time for some users, and some of the time for
> > > most users.
> > 
> > In my opinion Chrome OS (and I assume Chromium OS as well) gets many 
> > things right, Debian could learn a lot from it.
> 
> That's the point. In Sally's opinion it's Mac. In Betty's, it's Windows
> (but not after '95). In Sue's, OTOH...
> 
> (BTW. for all I've seen of Chrome OS, I'd either run away screaming or
> scrub it from the computer, depending on my momentary mood).

Chrome OS itself is definitely not something for the typical debian-user 
subscriber, as it is "just enough OS to run Chrome" ;)

What would be interesting to at least consider for Debian (in my, not so 
humble, opinion):


By default it is using secured boot (signed kernel, etc.) with the user 
data partition fully encrypted and no root access whatsoever. It can be 
switched to "developer mode" with full root access by a special 
(documented) boot procedure, which involves full erasure of all user 
data (for privacy reasons).


Robust and user friendly auto-update mechanism. There is just one 
notification informing you to reboot to upgrade. On the next reboot you 
are running the upgrade, not additional waiting time involved.

As far as I know it uses two "boot" (system?) partitions. The upgrade is 
written to the "other" partition and marked to be booted from next time.  
The "current" partition is kept as backup with an automatic fall-back 
mechanism (never seen it trigger as far as I could tell).

During the lifetime of my Acer Chromebook R13 I've had countless 
updates, including a "firmware" upgrade (u-boot?) and a filesystem 
change (to ext4 I think, don't recall what it had before), all without a 
glitch. These did involve some (one?) additional confirmation and the 
filesystem change did take a while (unavoidable).

For a while I was also running the "beta" channel, similar to Debian's 
testing, no issues with the upgrades.


Too many apps installed? Some things appear to now work properly? Are 
you selling / giving away the Chromebook? No problem. Just use 
"Powerwash" (something like a "factory reset") to restore the OS to its 
basic state (with all updates applied) and erase all user data.

Sounds quite similar to what was recently discussed here on the list.


As I wrote above, it's not for the typical debian-user subscriber. It is 
however a really good option for the kind of users that spend 95% of the 
time in a browser. The other 5% are most likely covered by Chrome and 
Android Apps, if the user is willing to ignore / doesn't care about the 
privacy issues.

Building something similar with just Debian is mostly doable, though by 
far not easy.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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