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  Article 13 of the EU copyright review Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-06-05 20:20 +0200
    Re: Article 13 of the EU copyright review Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2018-06-05 22:40 +0200
      Re: Article 13 of the EU copyright review Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-06-05 22:50 +0200
      Re: Article 13 of the EU copyright review Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2018-06-05 23:50 +0200
    Re: Article 13 of the EU copyright review Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-06-05 23:40 +0200
    Re: Article 13 of the EU copyright review Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-06-07 11:30 +0200
      Re: Article 13 of the EU copyright review Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-06-14 22:40 +0200
    Re: Article 13 of the EU copyright review Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2018-06-10 23:40 +0200

#9899 — Article 13 of the EU copyright review

Dear developers,

Would there any strong objections to the Project aligning itself
against the new EU copyright review? For more background, here's a
recent Linux Journal article about this reform attempt:

  https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/how-eus-copyright-reform-threatens-open-source-and-how-fight-it

… and the FSFE's campaign which anyone can sign in an individual
capacity:

  https://savecodeshare.eu/


Regards,

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#9901

* Chris Lamb:

> Would there any strong objections to the Project aligning itself
> against the new EU copyright review? For more background, here's a
> recent Linux Journal article about this reform attempt:
>
>   https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/how-eus-copyright-reform-threatens-open-source-and-how-fight-it

Which part?

I think the upload filters are fairly sensible, and Debian would
implement them if required in practice.  For us, infringing content is
low-quality content, and we train our users to avoid uploading it.
This is different for the likes of Youtube and Github.

I find it also problematic to suggest that copyright infringement is
somehow necessary for a thriving free software ecosystem.

I find Title IV, Chapter 3 (“Fair remuneration in contracts of authors
and performers”) far more problematic because as written, in seems to
effectively ban irrevocable free software licenses:

| Article 15
| Contract adjustment mechanism
| 
| Member States shall ensure that authors and performers are entitled to
| request additional, appropriate remuneration from the party with whom
| they entered into a contract for the exploitation of the rights when
| the remuneration originally agreed is disproportionately low compared
| to the subsequent relevant revenues and benefits derived from the
| exploitation of the works or performances.

<https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2016/EN/1-2016-593-EN-F1-1.PDF>
(Apologies if this is not the current version.)

Germany already has similar provisions, but they exempt free
culture/free software licensing: these provisions do not apply to
works for which everyone has been granted basic exploitation rights.

So yes, we should do something about Title IV, Chapter 3, but I expect
that we'd be pretty much alone in that.

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#9902

Hi Florian,

> I think the upload filters are fairly sensible

This is not the general consensus within the free software community
and is actually the very part in question.

I don't really wish to dilute (nor duplicate the discussion from
elsewhere..), but the general sentiment is that whilst this is no
doubt intended to prevent uploads that infringe copyright, the same
technology could soon be required for filtering of content for
compliance with other statutes.


Regards,

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#9904

On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 10:28:56PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Chris Lamb:
> 
> > Would there any strong objections to the Project aligning itself
> > against the new EU copyright review? For more background, here's a
> > recent Linux Journal article about this reform attempt:
> >
> >   https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/how-eus-copyright-reform-threatens-open-source-and-how-fight-it
> 
> Which part?
> 
> I think the upload filters are fairly sensible, and Debian would
> implement them if required in practice.  For us, infringing content is
> low-quality content, and we train our users to avoid uploading it.
> This is different for the likes of Youtube and Github.

We can't reasonably filter places that anyone can post to.  Packages
themselves are closely reviewed by humans (NEW), but Salsa, the BTS, wiki,
and probably plenty of other services we run rely on removal after the fact.

It's not about filtering spam, it's about a piece of software some vile
litigious company places an (often false) claim to.  We'd have to implement
a before-the-fact filter that censors every such service run by the Project.

That'd be a serious burden that would limit what we can do.

> I find it also problematic to suggest that copyright infringement is
> somehow necessary for a thriving free software ecosystem.

There's a difference between "copyright infrigement" and "alleged copyright
infrigement".  Accuracy of this kind of filters, as required by
"rightholders" and written into the law, is pretty egregious.  They have no
incentive to reduce the amount of false positives.

> I find Title IV, Chapter 3 (“Fair remuneration in contracts of authors
> and performers”) far more problematic because as written, in seems to
> effectively ban irrevocable free software licenses

Sounds nasty, too.


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#9903

Chris Lamb writes ("Article 13 of the EU copyright review"):
> Would there any strong objections to the Project aligning itself
> against the new EU copyright review? For more background, here's a
> recent Linux Journal article about this reform attempt:
> 
>   https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/how-eus-copyright-reform-threatens-open-source-and-how-fight-it
> 
> … and the FSFE's campaign which anyone can sign in an individual
> capacity:

I haven't researched this, but FSFE are IMO an extremely reliable
guide to what to think about things.  As a general rule, I woud
support any of their campaigns.  (I have a number of their excellent
T-shirts too.)

NB that FSFE are quite are a different thing to the FSF, although,
obviously, they are allies.

Ian.

-- 
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If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is
a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

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#9907

Chris Lamb wrote:

> Would there any strong objections to the Project aligning itself
> against the new EU copyright review?
[…]
>   https://savecodeshare.eu/

FYI as I didn't receive any strong objections I went ahead and signed
<https://savecodeshare.eu/> on behalf of the Project. Feel free to
also sign it in an individual capacity if you wish.


Best wishes,

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#9909

Dear -project,

> FYI as I didn't receive any strong objections I went ahead and signed
> <https://savecodeshare.eu/> on behalf of the Project. Feel free to
> also sign it in an individual capacity if you wish.

Our signature with our logo is now live. Note that we are first in
the list… as we should be ;)


Best wishes,

-- 
      ,''`.
     : :'  :     Chris Lamb
     `. `'`      lamby@debian.org / chris-lamb.co.uk
       `-

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#9908

On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 07:10:05PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote:
>   https://savecodeshare.eu/

There is also https://saveyourinternet.eu/


Kurt

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