Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

From	Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.project
Subject	Re: Debian and Non-Free Services
Date	2019-09-13 02:40 +0200
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On September 12, 2019 5:30:24 PM UTC, Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> wrote:
>
>I'm trying to move a thread from -devel.
>
>Ian Jackson responded [1] to part of a consensus discussion on Git
> recommendations.  I had said that I think we recommend against the use
>  of non-free services like Github but do not forbid their use.
>  Ian disagreed with this recommendation.
>
>I responded [2] noting that around 7% of the packages with a vcs-git in
>  unstable are hosted on Github.
>
>Ian said [3] that he was confident if we had a GR to forbid use of
>services
>  like Github it would pass.
>
>He proposed the following text for such a GR.
>
>I think such a discussion is better on -project.
>
>  [1]:
>https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/23927.51367.848949.15475@chiark.greenend.org.uk
>[2]:
>https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/tslwoedy93e.fsf_-_@suchdamage.org
>  [3]:
>https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/23930.17192.131171.455527@chiark.greenend.org.uk
>  
>  
>  Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools
>
>  No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working
>  to improve Debian, to use non-free tools.  This includes proprietary
>  web services.  We will ensure this, insofar as it is within Debian's
>  collective control.
>
>  For example, Vcs-Git fields in source packages must not refer to
>  proprietary git code management systems.  Non-Debian services are
>  acceptable here so long as they are principally Free Software.
>
>  We encourage all our upstreams to use Free/Libre tools.
>
>  We recognise that metadata in Debian which describes the behaviour
>  of those outside our community, for example fields which refer to
>  upstream source management systems, may (in order to be accurate)
>  still need to refer to proprietary systems.

It's based on a false premise.  No one is forced to use any VCS to maintain Debian packages.  If you don't want to talk to GitHub, send a patch to the BTS.

Scott K

Thread

Debian and Non-Free Services Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-09-12 19:40 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2019-09-12 20:00 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Norbert Preining <preining@logic.at> - 2019-09-13 01:30 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> - 2019-09-16 19:10 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-10-04 17:10 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2019-09-12 22:30 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 00:50 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2019-09-13 08:20 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 20:40 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2019-09-12 22:50 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Yao Wei <mwei@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 01:00 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 20:20 +0200
        Re: Debian and Non-Free Services "Yao Wei (魏銘廷)" <mwei@debian.org> - 2019-09-15 23:00 +0200
          Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2019-09-16 15:40 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-09-13 02:40 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 04:30 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 18:00 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-10-04 18:00 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-10-04 18:30 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2019-10-05 01:20 +0200
        Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> - 2019-10-09 16:20 +0200
          Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2019-10-10 00:20 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2019-10-04 20:40 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2019-10-04 21:20 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2019-10-06 08:50 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2019-10-06 15:00 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Jose-Luis Rivas <ghostbar@debian.org> - 2019-10-07 05:30 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2019-10-08 10:10 +0200
        Re: Debian and Non-Free Services "Xavier" <yadd@debian.org> - 2019-10-08 13:10 +0200
        Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2019-10-08 17:00 +0200
          Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2019-10-09 00:40 +0200
        Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2019-10-09 12:40 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> - 2019-10-09 16:20 +0200
        Re: I think We're Done: Debian and Non-Free Services Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-10-09 17:40 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 09:40 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Andy Simpkins <rattusrattus@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 13:00 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> - 2019-09-13 13:10 +0200
    Re: Debian and Non-Free Services MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> - 2019-09-13 15:00 +0200
      Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-09-13 17:00 +0200
        Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-09-13 17:40 +0200
          Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-09-13 18:00 +0200
          Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> - 2019-09-16 19:00 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-09-13 13:40 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-09-13 19:50 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org> - 2019-09-15 20:10 +0200
  Re: Debian and Non-Free Services Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2019-09-16 23:10 +0200

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