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Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage

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From Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>
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Subject Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage
Date Fri, 04 Aug 2017 05:30:01 +0200
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On August 3, 2017 9:08:10 PM EDT, barry@debian.org wrote:
>On Aug 3, 2017, at 17:57, Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> wrote:
>> 
>> While at DebCamp, Stefano Rivera and I sat down to analyze what needs
>to be done
>> to deprecate Python2 usage within the distribution.  It might not be
>possible to
>> drop Python2 for the next release, but there are still too many
>issues with
>> packages.  For now we identified some categories which need fixing.
>These are
>> documented at https://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2017/Python3Montreal,
>resulting in
>> more than 3000 bug reports.  That's a high number, on the other hand
>we won't
>> make much progress if the issues are not named.  My intent is to
>bring that up
>> in the Python BoF next week at DebConf and then filing these bug
>reports with
>> the user tags mentiond on the wiki page.
>
>Great to hear that you guys talked about it.
>
>Just a quick note that PEP 394 discussions have revived, lead by the
>Fedora folks.  Please do check out the new thread, especially if you
>have opinions about what /usr/bin/python should do once Python 2.7 is
>EOL.
>
>https://mail.python.org/pipermail/linux-sig/2017-August/thread.html
>
>Cheers,
>-Barry

Read it.  I remain completely convinced that /usr/bin/python pointing at a python3 version is utterly wrong and a disservice to our users.  Even after we remove python2.7, people will be locally compiling it and using it for a decade.

Such a change would be actively user hostile.

When python2.7 goes away, /usr/bin/python should go too.

Before python2.7 goes away, any python3 scripts/apps need to work with /usr/bin/python3.  Making them work with /usr/bin/python too doesn't actually help anything.  All it does is look pretty for us old timers.

I've said before and I've yet to see anything to cause me to have any doubt on the matter, that as long as I am one of the python-defaults maintainers, /usr/bin/python will not point at a python3 version.

Scott K

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MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2017-08-04 00:00 +0200
  Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage barry@debian.org - 2017-08-04 03:10 +0200
    Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-08-04 05:30 +0200
      Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2017-08-04 08:10 +0200
      Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage barry@debian.org - 2017-08-04 16:20 +0200
        Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2017-08-04 17:10 +0200
          Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2017-08-04 17:50 +0200
        Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-08-04 23:10 +0200
          Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2017-08-05 03:40 +0200
            Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-08-05 04:10 +0200
          Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@ldpreload.com> - 2017-08-08 00:50 +0200
        Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2017-08-08 00:00 +0200
          Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 00:50 +0200
            Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 01:40 +0200
              Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2017-08-08 01:50 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 03:40 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 04:00 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 04:20 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2017-08-08 05:10 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 05:30 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2017-08-08 05:40 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 06:00 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 07:00 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@ldpreload.com> - 2017-08-08 04:10 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 04:30 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2017-08-08 05:20 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 05:40 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 07:30 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 08:20 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@ldpreload.com> - 2017-08-10 17:40 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 21:20 +0200
                Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-08-08 21:30 +0200
    Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2017-08-04 13:00 +0200
      Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-08-04 14:40 +0200
  Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-07 00:00 +0200
  Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-07 01:00 +0200
  Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-07 01:10 +0200

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