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Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals

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On 11/22/22 10:59, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 09:22:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>>> this, 100 times
>>
>> I very much don't agree. I think it's going pretty well, and the number of
>> breakage isn't high. We just need a little bit of effort to make it in good
>> enough shape.
>> [...]
>> Now, out of *many* of my packages, only a very few broke. Complicated
>> packages like Eventlet for example, just worked. Others had upstream patches
>> I applied. And I am in the opinion that we should go ahead and make 3.11 the
>> default.
> 
> If there are people with the expertise to help upstream update
> bytecode and parso (and probably several other low-level packages) for
> 3.11 so that the software that depends on them works with 3.11, then
> fine.  (And it is a non-trivial update, AFAICT.)  But until then, I'd
> be very reluctant to make 3.11 the default.

Have you tried this PR?
https://github.com/MatthieuDartiailh/bytecode/pull/107

> I haven't decided what to do with packages which now FTBFS under 3.11
> because of this.  Should we just let them fall out of testing (that
> certainly includes spyder, and quite possibly ipython as well)?
> Or should we mark them as X-Python3-Version: << 3.11 so they can stay in
> testing as long as Python 3.10 is the default?

I don't think this is the way.

> If we make 3.11 the
> default, these packages will likely not be in bookworm, which might
> upset our users even more.

We're not there yet. We have until January to fix, and we haven't 
decided yet if 3.11 will be the default.

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

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Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-11-21 08:30 +0100
  Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-11-21 18:10 +0100
    Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2022-11-21 18:30 +0100
      Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2022-11-22 15:20 +0100
    Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2022-11-21 18:40 +0100
      Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-11-22 09:30 +0100
        Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-11-22 11:00 +0100
          Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-11-22 17:10 +0100
            Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-11-22 18:00 +0100
              Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-11-23 00:30 +0100
                Re: Python 3.11, bytecode and new internals Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-11-23 08:40 +0100

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