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Re: Python3 -dbg packages

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On 7/6/20 8:33 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
> Python 3.8 upstream now has a common ABI for normal and debug extension builds,
> so it is technically possible to load a debug extension in the normal
> interpreter, or to load a normal extension in the debug interpreter.  In Debian,
> debug extensions are shipped with a different name, and only loaded by the
> corresponding interpreter.  We could change / simply the current setup, but I
> first wanted to know how many people are still using the debug builds.  The
> reason for the separate debug builds allowed debugging of stuff in modules
> further down the Python stack, without having to rebuild the whole stack. There
> are several solutions how to simplify the packaging, I'm not sure how much the
> dbg extensions are still used ... There are several scenarios:
> 
>  - Keep the current setup (-dbg packages need to be available to
>    run them).
> 
>  - Allow the debug interpreter to load normal debug extensions (but
>    load a debug extension if it's available by default).  That would
>    allow building debug extensions without having debug extensions
>    built for all it's dependencies, maybe requiring changes in the
>    dependencies of a package.
> 
>  - Stop building debug extensions, and telling developers to
>    build extensions in debug mode, if they need them.  That would
>    probably be inline with everything else shipped in Debian.
> 
>  - Stop building debug extensions, and also stop building the Python
>    debug interpreter.  You would need to rebuild the interpreter
>    itself to have meaningful debug sessions.  I'm not preferring
>    this solution.
> 
> I'm currently tending to implement the second scenario, but if people think that
> having the -dbg packages available is still useful, then also opt for the third
> option.

Let's address this before we start adding Python 3.10 as a supported Python3
version. Starting with the third option.  I'll file bug reports for the
following packages:

basemap
bottleneck
cbflib
dbus-python
gpyfft
gst-python1.0
h5py
kiwisolver
libgpuarray
libkdtree++
libtorrent-rasterbar
libxml2
lxml
markupsafe
matplotlib
meliae
mpi4py
netifaces
nipy
numexpr
numpy
pairtools
pillow
pillow-sane
psycopg2
pyao
pycairo
pychm
pycuda
pycurl
pyepr
pyfai
pyfuse3
pygccjit
pygobject
pyicu
pymad
pymca
pynfft
pyopencl
pyqt5
pyqt5chart
pyqt5-sip
pyqt5webengine
pysendfile
pystemmer
pytables
python3-defaults
python3-stdlib-extensions
python-aiohttp
python-apsw
python-apt
python-bsddb3
python-cffi
python-djvulibre
python-dmidecode
python-fabio
python-fisx
python-gevent
python-greenlet
python-ldap
python-levenshtein
python-librtmp
python-llfuse
python-ltfatpy
python-multidict
python-mysqldb
python-psutil
python-pygraphviz
python-pylibacl
python-pyxattr
python-regex
python-reportlab
python-setproctitle
python-sfml
pyyaml
pyzmq
qscintilla2
reprozip
rrdtool
scipy
silx
simplejson
sip4
sip5
sip6
storm
thrift
twisted
uvloop
xrayutilities
zope.interface


dd-list:

Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org>
   rrdtool (U)

Alexandre Marie <alexandre.marie@synchrotron-soleil.fr>
   python-fisx (U)
   silx (U)
   xrayutilities (U)

Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org>
   pycuda (U)
   pyopencl (U)

Andrew Starr-Bochicchio <asb@debian.org>
   libtorrent-rasterbar (U)

Antoni Villalonga <antoni@friki.cat>
   pairtools (U)

Antonio Valentino <antonio.valentino@tiscali.it>
   numexpr (U)
   pyepr (U)
   pytables (U)
   python-ltfatpy (U)

APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>
   python-apt

Aron Xu <aron@debian.org>
   libxml2 (U)

Brian May <bam@debian.org>
   python-mysqldb (U)

Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org>
   psycopg2 (U)

Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org>
   storm (U)

Cristian Greco <cristian@debian.org>
   libtorrent-rasterbar

Dave Beckett <dajobe@debian.org>
   pycairo (U)

David Cournapeau <cournape@gmail.com>
   scipy (U)

Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   python-sfml

Debian GIS Project <pkg-grass-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   pyepr

Debian GNOME Maintainers <pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   pygobject

Debian Med Packaging Team <debian-med-packaging@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   nipy
   pairtools

Debian NVIDIA Maintainers <pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   pycuda

Debian OpenCL Maintainers <pkg-opencl-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   pyopencl

Debian Python Modules Team <python-modules-team@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   bottleneck
   kiwisolver (U)
   markupsafe (U)
   netifaces
   pycairo
   pychm (U)
   pyicu (U)
   pyqt5-sip
   pysendfile (U)
   python-dmidecode (U)
   python-ldap
   python-multidict (U)
   python-mysqldb
   python-regex (U)

Debian Python Team <team+python@tracker.debian.org>
   basemap (U)
   matplotlib (U)
   numpy (U)
   psycopg2
   pycurl
   pyfuse3
   pyqt5
   pyqt5chart
   pyqt5webengine
   pystemmer
   python-aiohttp
   python-cffi
   python-fisx
   python-levenshtein (U)
   python-llfuse (U)
   python-psutil (U)
   python-pygraphviz (U)
   python-setproctitle
   pyyaml
   pyzmq
   qscintilla2
   scipy
   simplejson
   sip4
   sip5
   sip6
   storm
   twisted
   uvloop (U)
   zope.interface

Debian QA Group <packages@qa.debian.org>
   libkdtree++
   python-bsddb3
   python-djvulibre

Debian RRDtool Team <pkg-rrdtool-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   rrdtool

Debian Science Maintainers <debian-science-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   cbflib
   gpyfft
   h5py
   libgpuarray
   mpi4py
   numexpr
   pyfai
   pymca
   pynfft
   pytables
   python-fabio
   python-ltfatpy
   reprozip
   silx
   xrayutilities

Debian XML/SGML Group <debian-xml-sgml-pkgs@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   libxml2

Dmitry Shachnev <mitya57@debian.org>
   pyqt5 (U)
   pyqt5-sip (U)
   pyqt5webengine (U)
   sip4 (U)
   sip5 (U)
   sip6 (U)

Eugen Wintersberger <eugen.wintersberger@gmail.com>
   xrayutilities (U)

Fabio Tranchitella <kobold@debian.org>
   psycopg2 (U)

Francesco Paolo Lovergine <frankie@debian.org>
   pyfuse3 (U)

Ghe Rivero <ghe@debian.org>
   pysendfile

Ghislain Antony Vaillant <ghisvail@gmail.com>
   bottleneck (U)
   h5py (U)
   libgpuarray (U)
   pynfft (U)
   reprozip (U)

Gordon Ball <gordon@chronitis.net>
   python-setproctitle (U)

Gudjon I. Gudjonsson <gudjon@gudjon.org>
   qscintilla2 (U)

Iain Lane <laney@debian.org>
   pygobject (U)

Iustin Pop <iustin@debian.org>
   python-pylibacl
   python-pyxattr

James Cowgill <jcowgill@debian.org>
   python-sfml (U)

Jamie Wilkinson <jaq@debian.org>
   pyao
   pymad

Jean-Michel Vourgère <nirgal@debian.org>
   rrdtool (U)

Jelmer Vernooij <jelmer@debian.org>
   meliae

Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org>
   pygobject (U)

Jerome Kieffer <jerome.kieffer@esrf.fr>
   pyfai (U)
   python-fabio (U)
   silx (U)

Joel Rosdahl <joel@debian.org>
   python-apsw

Jonas Meurer <mejo@debian.org>
   python-mysqldb (U)

Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org>
   python-apt (U)

Julian Taylor <jtaylor.debian@googlemail.com>
   pyzmq (U)

Laszlo Boszormenyi (GCS) <gcs@debian.org>
   pyicu
   python-gevent
   python-greenlet
   pyzmq (U)
   thrift

Laurent Bigonville <bigon@debian.org>
   pygobject (U)

Loic Minier <lool@dooz.org>
   dbus-python (U)

Maintainers of GStreamer packages <gst-python1.0@packages.debian.org>
   gst-python1.0

Mario Izquierdo (mariodebian) <mariodebian@gmail.com>
   netifaces (U)

Matthew Grant <matt@mattgrant.net.nz>
   python-setproctitle (U)

Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org>
   lxml
   pillow
   pillow-sane
   pygccjit
   python-reportlab
   python3-defaults
   python3-stdlib-extensions
   twisted (U)

Michael Hanke <michael.hanke@gmail.com>
   mpi4py (U)
   nipy (U)

Michael Hudson-Doyle <mwhudson@debian.org>
   pyyaml (U)

Michael Vogt <mvo@debian.org>
   python-apt (U)

Mo Zhou <cdluminate@gmail.com>
   h5py (U)

Morten Kjeldgaard <mok0@ubuntu.com>
   cbflib (U)

Nikolaus Rath <Nikolaus@rath.org>
   pyfuse3 (U)
   python-llfuse

Ondrej Certik <ondrej@certik.cz>
   scipy (U)

Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>
   python-aiohttp (U)

Picca Frédéric-Emmanuel <picca@debian.org>
   gpyfft (U)
   pyfai (U)
   pymca (U)
   python-fabio (U)
   python-fisx (U)
   silx (U)
   xrayutilities (U)

Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org>
   zope.interface (U)

Pietro Battiston <me@pietrobattiston.it>
   bottleneck (U)

Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org>
   markupsafe
   python-aiohttp (U)
   python-multidict
   python3-defaults (U)
   simplejson (U)
   uvloop

Rebecca N. Palmer <rebecca_palmer@zoho.com>
   libgpuarray (U)

Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org>
   basemap
   kiwisolver
   matplotlib
   numpy
   pychm
   python-dmidecode
   python-levenshtein
   python-psutil
   python-pygraphviz
   python-regex

Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com>
   psycopg2 (U)
   pyyaml (U)

Scott Talbert <swt@techie.net>
   pycurl (U)

Sebastian Dröge <slomo@debian.org>
   dbus-python (U)
   gst-python1.0 (U)

Sebastien Bacher <seb128@debian.org>
   pygobject (U)

Sebastien Delafond <seb@debian.org>
   xrayutilities (U)

Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>
   dbus-python (U)

Sjoerd Simons <sjoerd@debian.org>
   dbus-python (U)

Stefan Breunig <stefan-debian@yrden.de>
   python-librtmp

Stefano Rivera <stefanor@debian.org>
   pystemmer (U)
   python-cffi (U)
   python3-defaults (U)

Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org>
   pyqt5chart (U)

Teemu Ikonen <tpikonen@gmail.com>
   cbflib (U)

Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>
   netifaces (U)
   python-mysqldb (U)
   simplejson (U)

Tianon Gravi <admwiggin@gmail.com>
   python-aiohttp (U)

Tomasz Rybak <serpent@debian.org>
   pycuda (U)
   pyopencl (U)

Torsten Marek <shlomme@debian.org>
   pycairo (U)
   qscintilla2 (U)
   sip4 (U)

Utopia Maintenance Team <pkg-utopia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
   dbus-python

Varun Hiremath <varun@debian.org>
   scipy (U)

Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org>
   pyzmq (U)

Wen Heping <wenheping@gmail.com>
   numexpr (U)

Willem van den Akker <wvdakker@wilsoft.nl>
   python-ldap (U)

William Grzybowski <william@grzy.org>
   python-aiohttp (U)

Yaroslav Halchenko <debian@onerussian.com>
   mpi4py (U)
   nipy (U)
   numexpr (U)
   pytables (U)
   reprozip (U)

YunQiang Su <wzssyqa@gmail.com>
   libxml2 (U)

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