Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust

From	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.kernel
Subject	Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust
Date	2025-02-26 14:00 +0100
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 1:13 PM NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> wrote:
>
> As for the actual contents of the package, the Rust bits, they are
> binary files (and include an actual shared library), so my reasoning was
> that they should belong to a different package than
> linux-headers-@abiname@@localversion@, and be installed under /usr/lib
> instead of /usr/src. This is what's currently being done for the kbuild
> files.

Yeah, there are different viewpoints.

The `.rmeta` are binary, in that they cannot be easily read at all,
but on the other hand they are not fully build object files either.
They are acting here like C headers, i.e. containing the same sort of
information from other TUs/dependencies, so in that sense it makes
sense for them to be there.

The `.so` is definitely a built binary, but it is also "like a header"
in the sense that it contains macros that in the C world would have
been in a header.

So it depends on whether the important "part" is 1) how they are
"encoded", 2) whether they are "generated artifacts" or not, 3)
whether splitting things into more packages is better or worse (for
end users, for maintenance...).

For instance, if the `.rmeta` files were generated text files that you
could inspect with a text editor, would you put them in the same or a
separate package? Do you have packages for other Kbuild artifacts that
are required during the build, whether they are text or binary?

I am clueless about distribution details, but I hope that helps somehow...

By the way, it is great to see this kind of discussion -- when I was
writing the step to avoid cleaning those files in the kernel build
system, I wondered where distributions would end up putting them.

Ah, and by the way, there will likely be way more `.rmeta`s and `.so`s
generated (and where they get placed will change) in the future, since
the system will change, so please keep that in mind (e.g. perhaps try
to avoid hardcoding details and/or overfitting on the current setup).

Thanks for the Cc!

Cheers,
Miguel

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Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-02-26 01:30 +0100
  Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-02-26 12:50 +0100
    Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-02-26 13:20 +0100
      Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 14:00 +0100
        Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-02-26 15:20 +0100
          Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 19:30 +0100
            Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-02-26 22:00 +0100
              Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 18:40 +0100
        Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written  in Rust Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2025-02-26 19:20 +0100
          Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-02-26 19:30 +0100
            Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 20:10 +0100
              Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-02-26 20:20 +0100
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 18:40 +0100
              Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-04-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-04-02 23:30 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-04-02 23:40 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-04-03 00:50 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-04-03 16:50 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-04-03 19:30 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-04-03 21:00 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-04-03 23:30 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-04-03 23:40 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 23:40 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-04-12 18:50 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-04-13 13:40 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-04-13 17:40 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 18:40 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-04-13 20:30 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written  in Rust Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2025-04-16 17:40 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 17:10 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-04-04 11:20 +0200
                Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 23:40 +0200
          Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in Rust Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 19:40 +0100
      Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust NoisyCoil <noisycoil@disroot.org> - 2025-02-26 14:40 +0100
      Re: Package for development of out-of-tree kernel modules written in  Rust Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-02-26 14:40 +0100

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