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Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every Debian kernel

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On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 4:54 AM Moessbauer, Felix
<felix.moessbauer@siemens.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 3:18 AM
> > To: debian-kernel@lists.debian.org; waldi@debian.org
> > Cc: linux-perf-users <linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org>; Arnaldo Carvalho de
> > Melo <acme@kernel.org>; ben@decadent.org.uk; Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>;
> > Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>
> > Subject: Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every Debian
> > kernel
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd love to package Linux perf as per Arnaldo's prepared tarball for Debian. If I
> > could get help on the Debian side it would be great! The actions that are needed
> > are:
> >
> > 1) package Arnaldo's tarball for Debian, presumably the build in the sources for
> > linux-perf-5.10 will be a good starting point. The package will be linux-perf and
> > replace the current metapackage of the same name.
>
> The current packaging in Debian does not include the perf python bindings.
> Today these bindings are used by more and more tools (e.g. tuned).
> For that, we packaged both a versioned module (linux-perf-<...>) and a python wrapper to load it using 'import perf' (linux-base).
> These patches are currently under review at Debian salsa [1].
>
> All this would be way simpler if perf bindings do not have to be versioned anymore.
> But please also consider that still a lot of people are using 4.19er kernels (don't know since when versioning is no longer required).

Thanks Felix! Is there a specific bug I can look at which describes
what is broken with later versions of perf an 4.19? Perhaps we can add
a workaround for this age of kernel in the command. It is certainly
nobody's intent to have some users without a workable tool. Fwiw, I do
a lot of testing with an older 4.15 based kernel and I'm not aware of
issues.

> [1] https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/merge_requests/425
>
> >
> > 2) create an updated linux-base that removes /usr/bin/perf
> >
> > 3) upload the updated linux-base and linux-perf packages for maintainer
> > approval to
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmentors.
> > debian.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cfelix.moessbauer%40siemens.com%7C
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> > 0&amp;sdata=80jfnANxTuGYzw0vErMUQOlpdUWFrDNP5n9ktaVTBaQ%3D&amp
> > ;reserved=0
> >
> > 4) some how get the previous Debian linux-perf-[45].* packages removed
>
> This can easily be achieved using the Conflicts field with a linux-base version that is older than your patched one.

Can I use Conflicts to say that the linux-perf package, that will
provide /usr/bin/perf, will conflict with earlier linux-base releases?
I'm concerned that if linux-base conflicts with linux-perf and
linux-perf conflicts with linux-base, it is quite easy to make
something that becomes wedged :-)

> >
> > After this, when Arnaldo sends out a new tarball we can update the linux-perf
> > package. libbpf and libtraceevent are currently part of linux/tools, but it would
> > be better to depend on the distribution versions, which can be a future update to
> > the packaging.
> >
> > I'd love some feedback on this plan, whether linux-base/linux-perf have a special
> > process, etc. Documentation wise I've seen there is a lot, but:
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmentors.
> > debian.net%2Fintro-
> > maintainers%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cfelix.moessbauer%40siemens.com%7
> > C4dbf17b41e4542b4c2de08d9ad5e58c3%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d
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> > oU%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > looks fairly to the point.
>
> I really like the plan and I'm also willing to support here.
> But please also note that I'm not a Debian sponsor or maintainer of the mentioned packages.

Thanks!
Ian

> Felix
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:39 AM Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Em Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:34:33PM -0800, Ian Rogers escreveu:
> > > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > Debian currently tries to match the Linux perf tool to the version
> > > > of the kernel that it is being run upon. Reaching out to Ben
> > > > Hutchings, he explained to me that this was done back in 2010 due to
> > > > kernel and Linux perf incompatibilities. This was likely the case,
> > > > but it was a bug in the Linux perf tool that should have been fixed.
> > > > It is the goal of the tool to be backward compatible. A problem with
> > > > matching the tool to the kernel version is that users miss out on
> > > > new features and fixes (this topic came up in a recent interview of
> > > > the maintainer Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo [1]).
> > >
> > > > Ben Hutchings informs me that making it so that Debian ships the
> > > > latest Linux perf tool requires updates both to the linux-base and
> > > > linux source packages. The Linux perf tool also has many other often
> > > > optional dependencies, like libunwind, libbpf, libpfm4,
> > > > libtraceevent, etc. In general, having the dependency will unlock more
> > features.
> > > > Linux tools has its own copies of libbpf and libtraceevent, and so
> > > > these may pose some versioning issues.
> > >
> > > We can use LIBBPF_DYNAMIC=1 to use the distro libbpf-dev package,
> > > which currently is going thru some growing pains as libbpf is 0.x,
> > > with several APIs being deprecated, others renamed, and that has been
> > > a source of friction, but should be past us with v1.0. Till then the
> > > perf codebase is being adjusted to allow it to be seamlessly built
> > > with the in-kernel version and with whatever libbpf-devel the distro has.
> > >
> > > > I think it'd be great to get Debian shipping the latest version of
> > > > Linux perf for its users. Hopefully we can agree to change how
> > > > Debian packages perf currently and then work out the best way to
> > > > package and keep it up-to-date. I look forward to everyone's help and input.
> > >
> > > I also keep the tarballs available at:
> > >
> > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmirr
> > >
> > ors.edge.kernel.org%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Ftools%2Fperf%2F&amp;data=
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Where there are instructions on how to build this detached tarball.
> > >
> > > I regularly build perf on lots of distros, including:
> > >
> > >   debian:9                      : Ok   gcc (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 6.3.0 20170516 ,
> > clang version 3.8.1-24 (tags/RELEASE_381/final)
> > >   debian:10                     : Ok   gcc (Debian 8.3.0-6) 8.3.0 , clang version 7.0.1-
> > 8+deb10u2 (tags/RELEASE_701/final)
> > >   debian:11                     : Ok   gcc (Debian 10.2.1-6) 10.2.1 20210110 , Debian
> > clang version 11.0.1-2
> > >   debian:experimental           : Ok   gcc (Debian 11.2.0-10) 11.2.0 , Debian clang
> > version 11.1.0-4
> > >   debian:experimental-x-arm64   : Ok   aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc (Debian 11.2.0-9)
> > 11.2.0
> > >   debian:experimental-x-mips    : Ok   mips-linux-gnu-gcc (Debian 10.2.1-6)
> > 10.2.1 20210110
> > >   debian:experimental-x-mips64  : Ok   mips64-linux-gnuabi64-gcc (Debian
> > 10.2.1-6) 10.2.1 20210110
> > >   debian:experimental-x-mipsel  : Ok   mipsel-linux-gnu-gcc (Debian 11.2.0-9)
> > 11.2.0
> > >
> > > Ditto for ubuntu.
> > >
> > > A complete list can be found in each pull request I send to Linus, see
> > > in the last one:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore
> > > .kernel.org%2Fall%2F20211107204947.1394255-1-
> > acme%40kernel.org%2F&amp;
> > >
> > data=04%7C01%7Cfelix.moessbauer%40siemens.com%7C4dbf17b41e4542b4c2
> > de08
> > >
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> > >
> > > Search for BUILD_TARBALL.
> > >
> > > There is also the output for 'make -C tools/perf build-test' that
> > > tests building with lots of combinations of optional libraries, for
> > > instance, with LIBBPF_DYNAMIC=1, etc.
> > >
> > > - Arnaldo

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Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every Debian kernel Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com> - 2021-11-12 07:40 +0100
  Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org> - 2021-11-12 16:00 +0100
    Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com> - 2021-11-22 03:20 +0100
      Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com> - 2021-11-22 18:00 +0100
      Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2022-01-10 01:00 +0100
        Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org> - 2022-01-10 20:10 +0100
          Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com> - 2022-12-23 02:50 +0100
            Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2022-12-25 13:20 +0100
            Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2022-12-26 21:00 +0100
              Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com> - 2023-01-10 02:40 +0100
                Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2023-01-13 23:10 +0100
    Re: Getting the latest and greatest Linux perf features on every  Debian kernel Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2022-01-10 01:00 +0100

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