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DD's, Debian Mentors needs you!

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First post2024-07-06 15:50 +0200
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  DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-06 15:50 +0200
    Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-07-06 19:00 +0200
    Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! xiao sheng wen(肖盛文) <atzlinux@sina.com> - 2024-07-07 02:00 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-07 03:20 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-07-07 07:40 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Baptiste Beauplat <lyknode@debian.org> - 2024-07-08 21:40 +0200
        Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-09 07:40 +0200
    Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-07-07 02:50 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-07 03:10 +0200
    Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-07-07 08:00 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-07-07 08:30 +0200
        Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-07 09:20 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Nilesh Patra <nilesh@debian.org> - 2024-07-07 09:50 +0200
        Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! weepingclown <weepingclown@disroot.org> - 2024-07-07 10:40 +0200
          Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Nilesh Patra <nilesh@debian.org> - 2024-07-07 13:00 +0200
    Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-07-07 08:20 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 08:50 +0200
        Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-07 09:50 +0200
          Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-07-07 23:00 +0200
            Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-07 23:20 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-07 09:50 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Niels Thykier <niels@thykier.net> - 2024-07-07 11:40 +0200
        Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-07 12:30 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2024-07-07 13:30 +0200
        Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-09 11:50 +0200
          Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2024-07-09 14:30 +0200
            Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2024-07-09 14:50 +0200
    Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Jeremy Bícha <jeremy.bicha@canonical.com> - 2024-07-07 16:30 +0200
      Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-07-07 16:40 +0200
    Re: DD's, Debian Mentors needs you! Leandro Cunha <leandrocunha016@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 23:10 +0200

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#112387

FromPhil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org>
Date2024-07-07 09:50 +0200
Message-ID<IXuOK-pQ2-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Morning Soren,

Many thanks for the kinds words and the encouragement.

As you stated wonderfully and I will additionally offer a little of my mentors motivations. Debian
mentors can be the first experience of contribution to not just Debian, but Free and Open Source
Software projects in general. Though technical, having mentors be welcoming and friendly (we all
started knowing nothing) environment with consistency of "here are the tests/standards required by
all" I hope with the help of others, make mentors a successful part of the Debian project that
attracts and retains contributors.

I must thank Gianfranco Costamagna who initially showed me the value of Debian mentors and
encouraged me to get involved.

Regards

Phil


On Sat, 2024-07-06 at 23:18 -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> After reading a number of comments to the email below, I thought I would 
> provide a bit of context for this email and Phil’s excellent work on Mentors.
> 
> Recently Phil has taken it upon himself to triage every package that requests 
> sponsorship on mentors.debian.net.  Here is an example of the work he does:
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2024/07/msg00032.html
> 
> When he feels a package is ready for sponsorship, he indicates that with an 
> email to the list.
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2024/07/msg00024.html
> 
> In some cases, nobody picks these up.  The email below was sent to debian-
> devel with a curated list of packages that Phil has already reviewed and feels 
> are ready for a DD to sponsor.
> 
> At any point, anyone can look at all of the packages on Mentors requesting a 
> sponsor.
> 
> https://mentors.debian.net/
> 
> But I have found Phil’s work to be very helpful, as I have limited time to 
> handle sponsorships.  When I look at a package Phil has endorsed, I can be 
> sure that the simple and obvious things have already been taken care of.
> 
> I would heartily hope that Phil continues to send periodic emails to debian-
> devel with lists of packages that he considers ready, but that are languishing 
> on the vine because nobody has noticed them.  I would also encourage anyone 
> else to get involved in this process if they feel so inclined.  I think that 
> one of the most important aspects of attracting people to Debian is to make it 
> easy for someone who is not yet a DD or DM to submit packages and have them be 
> reviewed promptly.  There is probably nothing as demotivating to a first-time 
> contributor as putting a lot of effort into a package, having it be in good 
> shape, and then never having it be sponsored simply because it didn’t get 
> noticed.
> 
> Soren
> 
> P.S.  Based on Phil’s work on Mentors and my interactions with him, I have 
> advocated for him to become a Debian Developer, uploading.  I think his 
> contributions to Debian will be even more impactful when he can sponsor the 
> packages he feels are ready.
> 
> https://nm.debian.org/process/1305/
> 
> On Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:45:33 AM MST Phil Wyett wrote:
> > Hi all DD's
> > 
> > Debian Mentors[1] always struggles to find available Debian Developers for
> > final reviewing and sponsoring of packages submitted too our part of the
> > project.
> > 
> > We believe some packages are ready or very close to the quality for
> > sponsorship and we would request any DD who has the time and is willing, to
> > have a look at one or more of the packages below and possibly sponsor them
> > into Debian.
> > 
> > Mentors page:
> > https://mentors.debian.net/package/hexwalk/
> > Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1065008
> > 
> > Mentors page:
> > https://mentors.debian.net/package/uriparser/
> > Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074542
> > 
> > Mentors page:
> > https://mentors.debian.net/package/mailgraph/
> > Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074552
> > 
> > Mentors page:
> > https://mentors.debian.net/package/dmidecode/
> > Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074553
> > 
> > Mentor page:
> > https://mentors.debian.net/package/selint/
> > Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074592
> > 
> > Your assistance will be extremely appreciated and if announcing a few at a
> > time on the 'devel' list works, this could become a weekly thing.
> > 
> > [1] https://mentors.debian.net
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Phil
> 
> 

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#112389

FromNiels Thykier <niels@thykier.net>
Date2024-07-07 11:40 +0200
Message-ID<IXwxb-qYt-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#112381
Soren Stoutner:
> After reading a number of comments to the email below, I thought I would
> provide a bit of context for this email and Phil’s excellent work on Mentors.
> 
> Recently Phil has taken it upon himself to triage every package that requests
> sponsorship on mentors.debian.net.  Here is an example of the work he does:
> 
> [...]

Hi,

I wholehearted agree that Phil is doing a lot of good work here and that 
it is helpful to all parties involved in d-mentors. From my PoV, what 
Phil does is so valuable that ideally we would provide it to all 
sponsored maintainers with minimal latency. For me, that means 
automating most of what Phil does. Ideally all, but I am not sure all 
the things Phil does are trivial to automate where we are now.

> 
> But I have found Phil’s work to be very helpful, as I have limited time to
> handle sponsorships.  When I look at a package Phil has endorsed, I can be
> sure that the simple and obvious things have already been taken care of.
> 

Thinking a bit more on this and its long term sustainability, I think we 
have a spot here where we could automate the process a lot. If we look 
at the list of things Phil does:

  1. Build:

     Automate-able if we had good sandboxes/throw away build machines.

  2. Lintian:

     I think mentors.d.o already does this. But it only works on the
     artifacts uploaded and Phil probably enriches this.

  3. Licenses:

     While ideally, we would want this to be automatic, I think we do not
     have a good solution to this and I doubt we get it any time soon.

     Though an 80/20 might be in our grasp for someone interested and
     I do not think it would need to depend on 1).

  4. Build Twice (sudo pbuilder build --twice <package>.dsc):

     Automate-able once 1) is solved.

  5. Reproducible builds (reporotest):

     Trivially automate-able once 1) is solved.

  6. Install/Upgrade:

     It sounds like something piuparts would check, so I assume this is
     all solvable once 1) is complete.

  7. Curating packages that pass these checks to various prospective
     sponsors (such as the mail we are all replying to)

These automations would not replace Phil since Phil in "failure" cases 
provides suggestions on how to move forward. This part we would ideally 
automate as well, but that is a much harder problem for most of these 
checks. Still, having a "red/green" marker would enable newcomers to 
figure out where they need more effort or assistance.

The salsa-CI pipeline basically does most of these (3+7 being very clear 
exceptions, do not remember if 4 is covered by salsa-ci, but adding it 
would probably easy) and that infrastructure already has "no trust" code 
execution flows. Another alternative might be leveraging debusine if 
that can do the same and is intended for this purpose (did not check).

In theory, we can reduce this to a already solved problem by linking the 
RFS/mentors entry with the relevant CI pipeline report where possible 
and a "Consider using the salsa-CI pipeline" check. Might need 
tag2upload or dgit (assuming these support mentors.d.o), since that 
would make the commit visible. Additional bells and whistles can be 
added to the salsa-CI pipeline in the form of a small machine readable 
report output that mentors.d.n could render if necessary (etc.)

I do think it could be a major improvement our sponsorship work flow for 
both sponsors and sponsored maintainers.

  1) We promote a streamlined packaging workflow that a large portion of
     Debian already follows and leverage existing infrastructure. Any
     updates to our workflow would appear into the sponsor workflow
     checklist workflow because they are the same underlying checks.

  2) The workflow provides most of these checks with low latency
     automation and would save the sponsored maintainers RFS +
     mentors.d.o upload round trips.

  3) The process would be a lot more sustainable, since most of it would
     be automatic.

Obviously, on paper is doable but it might require ironing out a lot of 
bends or even not be possible at all. Sadly, I am not volunteering to do 
it (got too much on my plate already). However, I am putting the idea 
out there in case someone has time and interest in working on this area.

I think the primary risk (problem to solve) is linking the mentors.d.o 
upload to a git commit on salsa and the related pipeline data for that. 
As said, I hope tag2upload/dgit could be part of the solution here (not 
sure how those will cope with mentors.d.o versions being a lot more 
mutable than regular uploads). For everything else, I think most of the 
heavy lifting have already been done and "just" a matter of gluing it 
all together.

> I would heartily hope that Phil continues to send periodic emails to debian-
> devel with lists of packages that he considers ready, but that are languishing
> on the vine because nobody has noticed them.

Agreed.

> [...] There is probably nothing as demotivating to a first-time
> contributor as putting a lot of effort into a package, having it be in good
> shape, and then never having it be sponsored simply because it didn’t get
> noticed.
> 
> Soren
> 

Agreed; feedback latency is quite a de-motivation factor for me as well.

> P.S.  Based on Phil’s work on Mentors and my interactions with him, I have
> advocated for him to become a Debian Developer, uploading.  I think his
> contributions to Debian will be even more impactful when he can sponsor the
> packages he feels are ready.
> 
> https://nm.debian.org/process/1305/
> 
> [...]

Thanks for supporting Phil. :)


Best regards,
Niels

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#112390

FromPhil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org>
Date2024-07-07 12:30 +0200
Message-ID<IXxjz-ru2-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sun, 2024-07-07 at 11:32 +0200, Niels Thykier wrote:
> Soren Stoutner:
> > After reading a number of comments to the email below, I thought I would
> > provide a bit of context for this email and Phil’s excellent work on Mentors.
> > 
> > Recently Phil has taken it upon himself to triage every package that requests
> > sponsorship on mentors.debian.net.  Here is an example of the work he does:
> > 
> > [...]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I wholehearted agree that Phil is doing a lot of good work here and that 
> it is helpful to all parties involved in d-mentors. From my PoV, what 
> Phil does is so valuable that ideally we would provide it to all 
> sponsored maintainers with minimal latency. For me, that means 
> automating most of what Phil does. Ideally all, but I am not sure all 
> the things Phil does are trivial to automate where we are now.
> 

Many thanks.

> > But I have found Phil’s work to be very helpful, as I have limited time to
> > handle sponsorships.  When I look at a package Phil has endorsed, I can be
> > sure that the simple and obvious things have already been taken care of.
> > 
> 
> Thinking a bit more on this and its long term sustainability, I think we 
> have a spot here where we could automate the process a lot. If we look 
> at the list of things Phil does:
> 
>   1. Build:
> 
>      Automate-able if we had good sandboxes/throw away build machines.
> 
>   2. Lintian:
> 
>      I think mentors.d.o already does this. But it only works on the
>      artifacts uploaded and Phil probably enriches this.
> 
>   3. Licenses:
> 
>      While ideally, we would want this to be automatic, I think we do not
>      have a good solution to this and I doubt we get it any time soon.
> 
>      Though an 80/20 might be in our grasp for someone interested and
>      I do not think it would need to depend on 1).
> 
>   4. Build Twice (sudo pbuilder build --twice <package>.dsc):
> 
>      Automate-able once 1) is solved.
> 
>   5. Reproducible builds (reporotest):
> 
>      Trivially automate-able once 1) is solved.
> 
>   6. Install/Upgrade:
> 
>      It sounds like something piuparts would check, so I assume this is
>      all solvable once 1) is complete.
> 
>   7. Curating packages that pass these checks to various prospective
>      sponsors (such as the mail we are all replying to)
> 
> These automations would not replace Phil since Phil in "failure" cases 
> provides suggestions on how to move forward. This part we would ideally 
> automate as well, but that is a much harder problem for most of these 
> checks. Still, having a "red/green" marker would enable newcomers to 
> figure out where they need more effort or assistance.
> 
> The salsa-CI pipeline basically does most of these (3+7 being very clear 
> exceptions, do not remember if 4 is covered by salsa-ci, but adding it 
> would probably easy) and that infrastructure already has "no trust" code 
> execution flows. Another alternative might be leveraging debusine if 
> that can do the same and is intended for this purpose (did not check).
> 
> In theory, we can reduce this to a already solved problem by linking the 
> RFS/mentors entry with the relevant CI pipeline report where possible 
> and a "Consider using the salsa-CI pipeline" check. Might need 
> tag2upload or dgit (assuming these support mentors.d.o), since that 
> would make the commit visible. Additional bells and whistles can be 
> added to the salsa-CI pipeline in the form of a small machine readable 
> report output that mentors.d.n could render if necessary (etc.)
> 
> I do think it could be a major improvement our sponsorship work flow for 
> both sponsors and sponsored maintainers.
> 
>   1) We promote a streamlined packaging workflow that a large portion of
>      Debian already follows and leverage existing infrastructure. Any
>      updates to our workflow would appear into the sponsor workflow
>      checklist workflow because they are the same underlying checks.
> 
>   2) The workflow provides most of these checks with low latency
>      automation and would save the sponsored maintainers RFS +
>      mentors.d.o upload round trips.
> 
>   3) The process would be a lot more sustainable, since most of it would
>      be automatic.
> 
> Obviously, on paper is doable but it might require ironing out a lot of 
> bends or even not be possible at all. Sadly, I am not volunteering to do 
> it (got too much on my plate already). However, I am putting the idea 
> out there in case someone has time and interest in working on this area.
> 
> I think the primary risk (problem to solve) is linking the mentors.d.o 
> upload to a git commit on salsa and the related pipeline data for that. 
> As said, I hope tag2upload/dgit could be part of the solution here (not 
> sure how those will cope with mentors.d.o versions being a lot more 
> mutable than regular uploads). For everything else, I think most of the 
> heavy lifting have already been done and "just" a matter of gluing it 
> all together.
> 

Being partially or fully automated is fine by me. :-) I would be happy to assist
those who embarked on such a project. There is always work elsewhere in Debian
like the QA Team that I have interest in.

<snip>

Regards

Phil

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#112392

FromJoerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org>
Date2024-07-07 13:30 +0200
Message-ID<IXyfD-s2o-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#112381
On 17283 March 1977, Soren Stoutner wrote:

> P.S.  Based on Phil’s work on Mentors and my interactions with him, I 
> have 
> advocated for him to become a Debian Developer, uploading.  I think 
> his 
> contributions to Debian will be even more impactful when he can 
> sponsor the 
> packages he feels are ready.

It is only just July. He got rejected in May once - that's a bit too
soon yet. (The usual time for a retry is somewhere around 6 month, and
includes acknowleding (and working on) issues of the rejection).

Note that it is not only technical knowledge that is required. That's
"just" part of it.

-- 
bye, Joerg

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#112430

FromPhil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org>
Date2024-07-09 11:50 +0200
Message-ID<IYfDX-Svl-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sun, 2024-07-07 at 13:20 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 17283 March 1977, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> 
> > P.S.  Based on Phil’s work on Mentors and my interactions with him, I 
> > have 
> > advocated for him to become a Debian Developer, uploading.  I think 
> > his 
> > contributions to Debian will be even more impactful when he can 
> > sponsor the 
> > packages he feels are ready.
> 
> It is only just July. He got rejected in May once - that's a bit too
> soon yet. (The usual time for a retry is somewhere around 6 month, and
> includes acknowleding (and working on) issues of the rejection).
> 
> Note that it is not only technical knowledge that is required. That's
> "just" part of it.
> 

Morning Joerg,

Thank you for your comments. Indeed, less than 24 hours later, I received an
email stating my Debian Developer (DD), with upload application was to be closed
and now has been.

Regards

Phil

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#112438

FromPierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org>
Date2024-07-09 14:30 +0200
Message-ID<IYi8O-U5o-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Hello,

Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> wrote on 09/07/2024 at 11:40:32+0200:

> On Sun, 2024-07-07 at 13:20 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> On 17283 March 1977, Soren Stoutner wrote:
>> 
>> > P.S.  Based on Phil’s work on Mentors and my interactions with him, I 
>> > have 
>> > advocated for him to become a Debian Developer, uploading.  I think 
>> > his 
>> > contributions to Debian will be even more impactful when he can 
>> > sponsor the 
>> > packages he feels are ready.
>> 
>> It is only just July. He got rejected in May once - that's a bit too
>> soon yet. (The usual time for a retry is somewhere around 6 month, and
>> includes acknowleding (and working on) issues of the rejection).
>> 
>> Note that it is not only technical knowledge that is required. That's
>> "just" part of it.
>> 
>
> Morning Joerg,
>
> Thank you for your comments. Indeed, less than 24 hours later, I
> received an email stating my Debian Developer (DD), with upload
> application was to be closed and now has been.
>
> Regards

FTAOD I closed this process without interacting DAM or Joerg and not
having read his mail. I will reopen it as I stated to you when the
proper time comes.

I'm really happy that you're trying to work on making mentors.d.n more
proficient and active, and I'm also happy that you didn't get
demotivated by the different exchanges we collectively had in the past.

As Joerg stated, we'll probably need to have a chat about the reasons
that led to the initial rejection and your thoughts on the whole
thing. That being said, I won't go into details publicly and I do hope
that you'll indeed come back to us in a few months so we can try going
forward.

In the meantime, I'd like to express my gratitude for your commitment.

Bests,
-- 
PEB

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#112439

FromPhil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org>
Date2024-07-09 14:50 +0200
Message-ID<IYis9-UcW-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 14:23 +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> wrote on 09/07/2024 at 11:40:32+0200:
> 
> > On Sun, 2024-07-07 at 13:20 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > On 17283 March 1977, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > > 
> > > > P.S.  Based on Phil’s work on Mentors and my interactions with him, I 
> > > > have 
> > > > advocated for him to become a Debian Developer, uploading.  I think 
> > > > his 
> > > > contributions to Debian will be even more impactful when he can 
> > > > sponsor the 
> > > > packages he feels are ready.
> > > 
> > > It is only just July. He got rejected in May once - that's a bit too
> > > soon yet. (The usual time for a retry is somewhere around 6 month, and
> > > includes acknowleding (and working on) issues of the rejection).
> > > 
> > > Note that it is not only technical knowledge that is required. That's
> > > "just" part of it.
> > > 
> > 
> > Morning Joerg,
> > 
> > Thank you for your comments. Indeed, less than 24 hours later, I
> > received an email stating my Debian Developer (DD), with upload
> > application was to be closed and now has been.
> > 
> > Regards
> 
> FTAOD I closed this process without interacting DAM or Joerg and not
> having read his mail. I will reopen it as I stated to you when the
> proper time comes.
> 
> I'm really happy that you're trying to work on making mentors.d.n more
> proficient and active, and I'm also happy that you didn't get
> demotivated by the different exchanges we collectively had in the past.
> 
> As Joerg stated, we'll probably need to have a chat about the reasons
> that led to the initial rejection and your thoughts on the whole
> thing. That being said, I won't go into details publicly and I do hope
> that you'll indeed come back to us in a few months so we can try going
> forward.
> 
> In the meantime, I'd like to express my gratitude for your commitment.
> 
> Bests,

Afternoon,

There will be no seeking to reopen the application.

Regards

Phil

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#112394

FromJeremy Bícha <jeremy.bicha@canonical.com>
Date2024-07-07 16:30 +0200
Message-ID<IXB3P-tHK-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#112371
On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 9:46 AM Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> wrote:
> Debian Mentors[1] always struggles to find available Debian Developers for final reviewing and
> sponsoring of packages submitted too our part of the project.

One thing that has disrupted my use of https://mentors.debian.net/ for
sponsoring is that I am unable to log in. I don't get any of the "sign
up" or "reset password" emails.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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#112395

FromAndrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org>
Date2024-07-07 16:40 +0200
Message-ID<IXBdv-tL1-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#112394

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On Sun, Jul 07, 2024 at 10:10:55AM -0400, Jeremy Bícha wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 9:46 AM Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> wrote:
> > Debian Mentors[1] always struggles to find available Debian Developers for final reviewing and
> > sponsoring of packages submitted too our part of the project.
> 
> One thing that has disrupted my use of https://mentors.debian.net/ for
> sponsoring is that I am unable to log in. I don't get any of the "sign
> up" or "reset password" emails.

Sponsors don't need an account there though, (optionally) looking at the
package page and downloading the .dsc should be enough.

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#112405

FromLeandro Cunha <leandrocunha016@gmail.com>
Date2024-07-07 23:10 +0200
Message-ID<IXHiV-xyE-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#112371

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On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 10:45 AM Phil Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all DD's
>
> Debian Mentors[1] always struggles to find available Debian Developers for final reviewing and
> sponsoring of packages submitted too our part of the project.
>
> We believe some packages are ready or very close to the quality for sponsorship and we would request
> any DD who has the time and is willing, to have a look at one or more of the packages below and
> possibly sponsor them into Debian.
>
> Mentors page:
> https://mentors.debian.net/package/hexwalk/
> Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1065008
>
> Mentors page:
> https://mentors.debian.net/package/uriparser/
> Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074542
>
> Mentors page:
> https://mentors.debian.net/package/mailgraph/
> Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074552
>
> Mentors page:
> https://mentors.debian.net/package/dmidecode/
> Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074553
>
> Mentor page:
> https://mentors.debian.net/package/selint/
> Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074592
>
> Your assistance will be extremely appreciated and if announcing a few at a time on the 'devel' list
> works, this could become a weekly thing.
>
> [1] https://mentors.debian.net
>
> Regards
>
> Phil
>
> --
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>
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>
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>
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I have seen several Debian Developers commenting on the bugs in the
last few days, as everyone has work, just wait for the answers in the
next few days and the review work that has been done has helped the
package maintainers through mentors. Thanks for work!

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Cheers,
Leandro Cunha

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