Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release

From	Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel, linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot, linux.debian.ports.arm
Subject	Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release
Date	2016-07-05 18:00 +0200
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On Tue, 2016-07-05 at 08:25 +0100, Rebecca N. Palmer wrote:
> Would it be possible/reasonable (at least for stretch) to have the 
> installer detect this and ask "your hardware appears to be too new for 
> this release, would you like to enable -backports?"

It might be, but it's going to be hard to tell what's 'too new'.  We
could check whether there are drivers that match the device IDs for the
detected PCI and USB devices.  However, we know that device IDs are
sometimes added to a driver before the driver has stable support for
those devices.  That question might also be giving false hope, in that
the devices not supported in stable might still be unsupported in
stable-backports.

> On 04/07/16 23:38, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > As I understand it, xserver-xorg-video-modesetting should be used
> > instead of xserver-xorg-video-intel, for chips supported by the i915
> > kernel driver.  So the latter should be changed to limit the device IDs
> > it claims, then both of them should be backported.
> 
> This appears to be causing at least one actual problem: 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828087
[...]

Once this is fixed in unstable and then testing, I wonder how to fix
this for jessie-backports.  The modesetting driver is now part of
xserver-xorg-core and that has had a driver ABI bump which would
require backporting other driver packages.

Ben.

-- 

Ben Hutchings
Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.
                                                               - John
Lennon

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Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-07-04 15:10 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2016-07-04 15:20 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2016-07-04 15:30 +0200
      Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2016-07-04 18:10 +0200
        Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2016-07-10 19:40 +0200
          Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2016-07-10 20:50 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Nicholas D Steeves <nsteeves@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 22:10 +0200
      Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-07-05 00:40 +0200
        Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2016-07-05 02:10 +0200
        Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release "Rebecca N. Palmer" <rebecca_palmer@zoho.com> - 2016-07-05 09:50 +0200
          Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2016-07-05 10:10 +0200
          Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-07-05 18:00 +0200
        Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Nicholas D Steeves <nsteeves@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 05:20 +0200
          Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-07-09 13:10 +0200
            Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-09-07 22:20 +0200
              Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-09-08 01:30 +0200
      Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-07-05 10:40 +0200
      Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2016-07-05 20:20 +0200
        Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 21:10 +0200
        Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-07-06 00:50 +0200
          Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2016-07-06 09:40 +0200
            Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-07-06 10:00 +0200
              Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2016-07-06 10:10 +0200
              Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2016-07-06 10:10 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-07-05 10:30 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Jose R R <Jose.r.r@metztli-it.com> - 2016-07-04 16:10 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-07-04 19:10 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Mark Brown <broonie@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 10:40 +0200
      Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-07-05 11:00 +0200
        Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Mark Brown <broonie@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 11:30 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-07-06 00:40 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2016-07-05 11:10 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Jose R R <Jose.r.r@metztli-it.com> - 2016-07-05 12:50 +0200
      Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Samuel Henrique <samueloph@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 14:50 +0200
        Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Nicholas D Steeves <nsteeves@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 04:30 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Martin Zobel-Helas <zobel@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 14:40 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-07-06 00:50 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Breno Leitao <brenohl@br.ibm.com> - 2016-07-05 21:40 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-07-06 00:50 +0200
      Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Breno Leitao <brenohl@br.ibm.com> - 2016-07-06 17:50 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2016-07-06 20:20 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2016-07-07 10:10 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 10:20 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Alexander Wirt <formorer@formorer.de> - 2016-07-07 12:30 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Riku Voipio <riku.voipio@iki.fi> - 2016-07-07 13:30 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Riku Voipio <riku.voipio@iki.fi> - 2016-07-07 12:30 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 15:50 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Nicholas D Steeves <nsteeves@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 04:00 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-09-07 22:30 +0200
  Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 05:50 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Nicholas D Steeves <nsteeves@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 16:20 +0200
    Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2016-09-08 16:30 +0200
      Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 15:10 +0200

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