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| From | Ahmad Khalifa <ahmad@khalifa.ws> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.devel |
| Subject | Re: New contributor experience |
| Date | 2025-06-04 15:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <KTVSN-89jo-5@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (1 earlier) <KTTR0-87Wk-17@gated-at.bofh.it> <KTUtH-88ry-7@gated-at.bofh.it> <KTUDn-88uX-9@gated-at.bofh.it> <KTUWJ-88CK-7@gated-at.bofh.it> <KTVpL-8950-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On 04/06/2025 13:28, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Ahmad Khalifa (2025-06-04 13:56:49)
>> On 04/06/2025 12:39, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 12:24:15PM +0100, Ahmad Khalifa wrote:
>>>> Separately, may I also suggest some kind of timeout on the RFH bugs?
>>>> (oldest is about to turn 20 yo)
>>>
>>> Why?
>>> If the team no longer wants help, they should just close it.
>>> If the package was orphaned since then, ideally it should be closed, sure.
>>
>> Because they're misleading and waste contributor time.
>>
>> Have you spent time going through a lot of the 50 RFH bugs?
>> They're full of spam and people being ignored.
>
> I do, occationally, look through WNPP bugreports.
>
> If you consider 1 hour old bugreports stale, then you are free to ignore
> older ones - noone told you to "waste" time on them.
>
> Please, when talking in absolutes (like they're misleading") then please
> provide some more information on how you come to that conclusive
> judgement on behalf of all thousands of Debian contributors.
>
> Alternatively (because that might indeed be a waste of time), please
> consider framing personal opinions as such, not as absolutes. Reason
> I encourage you to do that is that I want to discuss with you, and I
> find it easier to discuss when the conversation is easy to separate
> opinion from fact.
Everything I say is my opinion. I have no formal role here.
The top message is only a polite suggestion.
Consider this random new contributor's experience:
1. Go to https://www.debian.org/, click on "Get Involved, Contribute"
2. Read https://www.debian.org/devel/join/, points you to "WNPP"
3. Go to https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, browse the page
- At that point, you might not know what is adoption and orphans.
- Easiest thing to dip your toes in: "packages in need of help".
4. Go to the RFH page, https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/help_requested
5. Browse interesting bugs:
- Read the spam messages, maybe click on "this bug has spam"
(which I feel is a placebo)
- Look at other comments and interactions, no closed loop, no
conclusions
- Realize the bug is several years old
- Decide that it's beyond a newcomer's ability and move on
Of course, this is my opinion, but it's debian's primary journey from
the homepage.
--
Regards,
Ahmad
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Re: New contributor experience Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-06-04 19:30 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Ahmad Khalifa <ahmad@khalifa.ws> - 2025-06-04 19:40 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Tim Woodall <debiandevel@woodall.me.uk> - 2025-06-07 18:00 +0200
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Re: New contributor experience Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-06-17 23:20 +0200
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Re: New contributor experience "Andrea Pappacoda" <tachi@debian.org> - 2025-06-18 11:40 +0200
Re: New contributor experience "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> - 2025-06-17 20:40 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-06-17 22:20 +0200
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Re: New contributor experience Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-06-17 23:20 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-06-18 12:40 +0200
Re: New contributor experience IOhannes m zmölnig <umlaeute@debian.org> - 2025-06-18 14:50 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-06-18 15:00 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2025-06-18 15:40 +0200
Re: New contributor experience "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> - 2025-06-18 16:20 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2025-06-18 16:30 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-06-23 19:10 +0200
Re: New contributor experience "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> - 2025-06-18 02:30 +0200
Re: New contributor experience "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> - 2025-06-18 05:50 +0200
Re: New contributor experience Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-06-18 12:40 +0200
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