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Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm

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  Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@wrar.name> - 2023-02-06 12:40 +0100
    Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2023-02-06 21:40 +0100
      Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm Joost van Baal-Ilić <joostvb+debian@uvt.nl> - 2023-02-07 12:50 +0100
        Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm Stefano Rivera <stefanor@debian.org> - 2023-02-07 15:30 +0100
          Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm karthek <frustrated@karthek.com> - 2023-02-07 18:30 +0100
            Bug#1030530: pyenv / Re: Python 3.10 in bookworm Joost van Baal-Ilić <joostvb+debian@uvt.nl> - 2023-02-08 09:10 +0100

#338323 — Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm

On Sun, Feb 05, 2023 at 01:50:34PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> Our social contract #4 says "Our priorities are our users and free
> software".  What benefits would having the python3.10 base packages in
> bookworm bring for our users (as I point out, for some users, this is
> a necessity) and what disadvantages would it bring (none that I can
> think of)?  Why would we tell a whole bunch of our users: "Don't
> upgrade to Debian 12 until all of the critical packages you use from
> PyPI are upgraded to support Python 3.11, or fix those packages
> yourself"?
The next obvious step for these use cases is to just install 3.10 with
pyenv.

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#338392

Hi Andrey,

On Mon, Feb 06, 2023 at 11:53:33AM +0100, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2023 at 01:50:34PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Our social contract #4 says "Our priorities are our users and free
> > software".  What benefits would having the python3.10 base packages in
> > bookworm bring for our users (as I point out, for some users, this is
> > a necessity) and what disadvantages would it bring (none that I can
> > think of)?  Why would we tell a whole bunch of our users: "Don't
> > upgrade to Debian 12 until all of the critical packages you use from
> > PyPI are upgraded to support Python 3.11, or fix those packages
> > yourself"?
> The next obvious step for these use cases is to just install 3.10 with
> pyenv.

Oh, that's brilliant!  I didn't know about this tool (and I note it's
not currently in Debian).

This solution for users who need Python 3.10, together with the
support burden of having python3.10 in bookworm (which I hadn't
appreciated), I withdraw my objection to the removal of python3.10.

Best wishes,

   Julian

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#338481

Op Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 05:52:21AM +0000 schreef Danial Behzadi دانیال بهزادی:
> Does it worth trying to package pyenv for Debian? Ain't it against any rules?

See "ITP pyenv" @ http://bugs.debian.org/978149 .

Bye,

Joost

-- 
Joost van Baal-Ilić                       http://abramowitz.uvt.nl/
                                                 Tilburg University
mailto:joostvb.uvt.nl                               The Netherlands

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#338490

Hi Joost (2023.02.07_11:31:23_+0000)
> Op Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 05:52:21AM +0000 schreef Danial Behzadi دانیال بهزادی:
> > Does it worth trying to package pyenv for Debian? Ain't it against any rules?
> 
> See "ITP pyenv" @ http://bugs.debian.org/978149 .

I think the Python development community would be very happy to see
this. Debian's selected Python releases don't meet all the needs of
Python developers, who typically want access to all supported Python 3
versions (and possibly the next alpha), at all times.

I'd be happy to review and sponsor uploads.

Stefano

-- 
Stefano Rivera
  http://tumbleweed.org.za/
  +1 415 683 3272

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#338510

Sorry for spamming…
Resending the same message, I just remembered debian.org ignores mails
from mail@* addresses.

On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 02:24:08PM +0000, Stefano Rivera wrote:
> > See "ITP pyenv" @ http://bugs.debian.org/978149 .
> 
> I think the Python development community would be very happy to see
> this. Debian's selected Python releases don't meet all the needs of
> Python developers, who typically want access to all supported Python 3
> versions (and possibly the next alpha), at all times.
> 

Indeed.

> I'd be happy to review and sponsor uploads.
> 

Thanks Stefano, I packaged it almost 2 years ago while working on
Android Open-source project (AOSP). While I got response from upstream,
I Haven't got any response from debian community back then apart from
interest in it from Julian a year ago.

Since then I also didn't find any DD nearyby my city to sign my key.

I'm happy to work on the packaging…

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#338567 — Bug#1030530: pyenv / Re: Python 3.10 in bookworm

Hi karthek e.a.,

Op Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 10:50:07PM +0530 schreef karthek:
> Sorry for spamming…
> Resending the same message, I just remembered debian.org ignores mails
> from mail@* addresses.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 02:24:08PM +0000, Stefano Rivera wrote:
> > > See "ITP pyenv" @ http://bugs.debian.org/978149 .
> > 
> > I think the Python development community would be very happy to see
> > this. Debian's selected Python releases don't meet all the needs of
> > Python developers, who typically want access to all supported Python 3
> > versions (and possibly the next alpha), at all times.
> > 
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> > I'd be happy to review and sponsor uploads.
> > 
> 
> Thanks Stefano, I packaged it almost 2 years ago while working on
> Android Open-source project (AOSP). While I got response from upstream,
> I Haven't got any response from debian community back then apart from
> interest in it from Julian a year ago.
> 
> Since then I also didn't find any DD nearyby my city to sign my key.
> 
> I'm happy to work on the packaging…
> 

I've just found some work of you @ https://salsa.debian.org/karthek/pyenv .
Nice!

I see you've published just one branch ("master") and did not copy upstream
sources to salsa.  You might want to consider converting it to make use of the
gbp style packaging, as used by https://salsa.debian.org/python-team .

BTW: unfortunately I don't have any more time to invest in this... :(

Happy Hacking!

Bye,

Joost

-- 
“For if I am mistaken, I am. For one who does not exist cannot be mistaken
either.”                        – St. Augustine of Hippo, De Civitate Dei,
                                        book XI, 26, early 5th century AD.

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