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  MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible? Supratim Sanyal <supratim@riseupdeleteme.net> - 2020-12-12 14:46 -0500
    Re: MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible? "the F.O." <f.o@forward-observer.net> - 2020-12-13 09:54 +0000
    Re: MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible? zulu <antani@cazzola.it> - 2020-12-13 16:05 +0100
      Re: MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible? Supratim Sanyal <supratim@riseupdeleteme.net> - 2020-12-15 00:18 -0500
    R: MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible? <s@ntrolli.ni> - 2020-12-13 17:43 +0100
      Re: R: MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible? Supratim Sanyal <supratim@riseupdeleteme.net> - 2020-12-15 00:16 -0500

#53179 — MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible?

folks - I am not a multiboot expert, and this has probably been beaten 
to death but I am getting confused by all the forum posts.

I installed MS-DOS 6.22, and then Windows 95C on the same partition, all 
good. Then I installed Windows 98SE on a different partition. Still all 
good, except that "Previous version of MS-DOS" from the Windows 98 boot 
menu drops me to MS-DOS 6.22.

Obviously I was wrong in thinking it would drop me into the Windows 95 
boot menu, from which I could choose "Normal" windows 95 or MS-DOS (some 
sort of chain loader).

So - are there any tricks for me to be able to boot into Windows 95 from 
Windows 98, and then from Windows 95 to MS-DOS or stay in Windows 95?

Any advice appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Supratim Sanyal

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#53181

Il Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:46:24 -0500, Supratim Sanyal ha scritto:

> folks - I am not a multiboot expert, and this has probably been beaten
> to death but I am getting confused by all the forum posts.
> 
> I installed MS-DOS 6.22, and then Windows 95C on the same partition, all
> good. Then I installed Windows 98SE on a different partition. Still all
> good, except that "Previous version of MS-DOS" from the Windows 98 boot
> menu drops me to MS-DOS 6.22.
> 
> Obviously I was wrong in thinking it would drop me into the Windows 95
> boot menu, from which I could choose "Normal" windows 95 or MS-DOS (some
> sort of chain loader).
> 
> So - are there any tricks for me to be able to boot into Windows 95 from
> Windows 98, and then from Windows 95 to MS-DOS or stay in Windows 95?
> 
Why on 2020 do you have the need to boot a computer into Win95?

Holy cow!, install Windows 98ME into an old computer, and then use the 
terminal windows for MsDos stuffs




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#53183

Il 12/12/2020 20:46, Supratim Sanyal ha scritto:
> folks - I am not a multiboot expert, and this has probably been beaten 
> to death but I am getting confused by all the forum posts.
> 
> I installed MS-DOS 6.22, and then Windows 95C on the same partition, all 
> good. Then I installed Windows 98SE on a different partition. Still all 
> good, except that "Previous version of MS-DOS" from the Windows 98 boot 
> menu drops me to MS-DOS 6.22.
> 
> Obviously I was wrong in thinking it would drop me into the Windows 95 
> boot menu, from which I could choose "Normal" windows 95 or MS-DOS (some 
> sort of chain loader).
> 
> So - are there any tricks for me to be able to boot into Windows 95 from 
> Windows 98, and then from Windows 95 to MS-DOS or stay in Windows 95?
> 
> Any advice appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Supratim Sanyal


try this https://www.bttr-software.de/products/bootmgr/#shots

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#53189

On 12/13/20 10:05 AM, zulu wrote:
> try this https://www.bttr-software.de/products/bootmgr/#shots

Thank you, got it. What I want cannot be done without a 3rd party boot 
manager, then. Will get on it.

Regards,
Supratim Sanyal

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#53184 — R: MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible?

Hi,
a thousand years ago I had a Pentium IV machine with 512 MB and I managed to
set up a quadruple/quintuple OS boot.
that machine is long gone  - :-(  , so I can't turn it on to check how I did
it,,,
anyway, as boot manager I used a software called GAG, you can download it
from here, burn it into a bootable CD and from there install it into the PC
MBR:
http://gag.sourceforge.net/

Each OS was its own partition, the boot options were:
- Win 95 C (OSR 2.5) alongside with Windows for Workgroup 3.11, both on DOS
7.1
- Win 98 SE
- Win NT 4.0 Workastation
- A LInux distro, probably Vector or something similar

If I don't remember wrong, on the DOS version I used for Win95/Win3x, I also
installed a TCP packet driver and other DOS network protocols (NetBios) and
I could "exit to DOS" and then browse the Web with Arachne or reach the
other computers in the home network...

it was a real "masterpiece of a retro-machine", I enjoyed it so much for a
couple of years .. then the power supply suddenly died....

Now in 2020, it would be completely useless though...

in any case, "exiting to DOS" from the two Win9x systems (kept separate on
their own partitions) brought to their own version of DOS.
Only Win95 and Wfw 3.11 shared the 7.1 DOS version of Win95 (see article
below).

***  this is just to say the best idea is always to keep things separate....
***

***
If you're interested, you can find instructions to install Wfw 3.11 (with
LFN - Long File Name support) alongside Win9x on the same primary partition
on top of DOS 7.1.
My own article, written ages ago, is here, but it's all in Italian:
http://www.wintricks.it/manuali/Win31-98.html
You need to google to find something in English, many of the links I quote
in my article unfortunately are old or broken...

some other hints are here:
http://wiki.oldos.org/index.html
http://www.win31.de/esoft.htm

Hope I've been of any help.
Cheers
San

***

Supratim Sanyal <supratim@riseupdeleteme.net> wrote in message
rr36me$91l$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> folks - I am not a multiboot expert, and this has probably been beaten
> to death but I am getting confused by all the forum posts.
>
> I installed MS-DOS 6.22, and then Windows 95C on the same partition, all
> good. Then I installed Windows 98SE on a different partition. Still all
> good, except that "Previous version of MS-DOS" from the Windows 98 boot
> menu drops me to MS-DOS 6.22.
>
> Obviously I was wrong in thinking it would drop me into the Windows 95
> boot menu, from which I could choose "Normal" windows 95 or MS-DOS (some
> sort of chain loader).
>
> So - are there any tricks for me to be able to boot into Windows 95 from
> Windows 98, and then from Windows 95 to MS-DOS or stay in Windows 95?
>
> Any advice appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
> Supratim Sanyal

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#53188 — Re: R: MSDOS 6.22, Windows 95 OSR 2.5 and Windows 98 SE Multiboot possible?

Awesome information, thank you for taking the time to write. Much 
appreciated.

As a pandemic hobby project, I set out to revisit the "thousand years 
ago" when multibooting used to be fun. Armed with a foxconn motherboard 
with the last of the northwood p4s, a soundblaster live!, a fx5500 GPU, 
a PCI-to-SATA card, a power supply and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse (all 
from eBay), I have so far managed to have the following running from one 
SSD and 2xIDE drives:

- MS-DOS 6.22
- Windows 1.0
- Windows 2.0
- Windows 3.0
- WFW 3.11
- Win98 SE
- WinNT 4.0
- Win2000
- WinXP
- Win 7
- Solaris/Intel
- MX Linux

Win95 would be fun to add to the mix, and I figured out the himemx.exe 
and lone crusader's fast cpu tricks, hence the question.

I have a separate MS-DOS 6.22 virtual machine with TCP/IP and Arachne, 
as well as a little webserver and DECnet/Pathworks for DOS talking to my 
(and others') VAX machines. It would be fun to run this DOS stuff on the 
bare-metal multiboot PC, but I am out of PCI slots for a PCnet-Fast NIC 
(the integrated NIC is not supported by the ancient operating systems).

Once Win95 works, I would like to throw in eComstation OS/2 and BeOS too 
at some point in time.

Usefulness is not the goal here, obviously. It's great fun and I can 
think of much worse hobbies :)

I will give GAG a shot, and also I probably have a CDR with System 
Commander on it - looks like an intelligent boot manager is a must.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Supratim Sanyal




On 12/13/20 11:43 AM, s@ntrolli.ni wrote:
> Hi,
> a thousand years ago I had a Pentium IV machine with 512 MB and I managed to
> set up a quadruple/quintuple OS boot.
> that machine is long gone  - :-(  , so I can't turn it on to check how I did
> it,,,
> anyway, as boot manager I used a software called GAG, you can download it
> from here, burn it into a bootable CD and from there install it into the PC
> MBR:
> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Each OS was its own partition, the boot options were:
> - Win 95 C (OSR 2.5) alongside with Windows for Workgroup 3.11, both on DOS
> 7.1
> - Win 98 SE
> - Win NT 4.0 Workastation
> - A LInux distro, probably Vector or something similar
> 
> If I don't remember wrong, on the DOS version I used for Win95/Win3x, I also
> installed a TCP packet driver and other DOS network protocols (NetBios) and
> I could "exit to DOS" and then browse the Web with Arachne or reach the
> other computers in the home network...
> 
> it was a real "masterpiece of a retro-machine", I enjoyed it so much for a
> couple of years .. then the power supply suddenly died....
> 
> Now in 2020, it would be completely useless though...
> 
> in any case, "exiting to DOS" from the two Win9x systems (kept separate on
> their own partitions) brought to their own version of DOS.
> Only Win95 and Wfw 3.11 shared the 7.1 DOS version of Win95 (see article
> below).
> 
> ***  this is just to say the best idea is always to keep things separate....
> ***
> 
> ***
> If you're interested, you can find instructions to install Wfw 3.11 (with
> LFN - Long File Name support) alongside Win9x on the same primary partition
> on top of DOS 7.1.
> My own article, written ages ago, is here, but it's all in Italian:
> http://www.wintricks.it/manuali/Win31-98.html
> You need to google to find something in English, many of the links I quote
> in my article unfortunately are old or broken...
> 
> some other hints are here:
> http://wiki.oldos.org/index.html
> http://www.win31.de/esoft.htm
> 
> Hope I've been of any help.
> Cheers
> San
> 
> ***
> 
> Supratim Sanyal <supratim@riseupdeleteme.net> wrote in message
> rr36me$91l$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> folks - I am not a multiboot expert, and this has probably been beaten
>> to death but I am getting confused by all the forum posts.
>>
>> I installed MS-DOS 6.22, and then Windows 95C on the same partition, all
>> good. Then I installed Windows 98SE on a different partition. Still all
>> good, except that "Previous version of MS-DOS" from the Windows 98 boot
>> menu drops me to MS-DOS 6.22.
>>
>> Obviously I was wrong in thinking it would drop me into the Windows 95
>> boot menu, from which I could choose "Normal" windows 95 or MS-DOS (some
>> sort of chain loader).
>>
>> So - are there any tricks for me to be able to boot into Windows 95 from
>> Windows 98, and then from Windows 95 to MS-DOS or stay in Windows 95?
>>
>> Any advice appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Supratim Sanyal
> 
> 

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