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Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> wrote:

> 
> Man kann sagen und schreiben was man will, aber die Amis haben 4 Jahre
> Trump und 4 Jahre VP Harris erlebt. Und sie wissen daher genau, was sie
> erwartet, und sie haben sich klar entschieden.
> 
> Das "fly-over county" hat sich gegen DEI und Wokismus eindeutig
> durchgesetzt.
> 
> Ohne das irgendwie werten zu wollen. Es ist ihr Land, ihre Entscheidung.
> Wer  sind wir es zu kritisieren.
> 
> Die NYT hatte gestern einen ellenlangen und m.E. sehr guten Artikel dazu.
> Trump ist kein Versehen und kein Betriebsunfall. 
> 
> 

‘Trump’s America’: Comeback Victory Signals a Different Kind of Country
Nov. 6, 2024
A rally in an arena full of Donald Trump’s supporters while he speaks on a
stage.
Donald J. Trump tapped into a sense among some voters that the country they
knew was slipping away.Doug Mills/The New York Times
In the end, Donald J. Trump is not the historical aberration some thought
he was, but instead a transformational force reshaping the modern United
States in his own image.

Peter Baker
By Peter Baker

Peter Baker has covered the past five presidents and with his wife wrote a
book on Donald J. Trump’s presidency.

In her closing rally on the Ellipse last week, Kamala Harris scorned Donald
J. Trump as an outlier who did not represent America. “That is not who we
are,” she declared.

In fact, it turns out, that may be exactly who we are. At least most of us.

The assumption that Mr. Trump represented an anomaly who would at last be
consigned to the ash heap of history was washed away on Tuesday night by a
red current that swept through battleground states — and swept away the
understanding of America long nurtured by its ruling elite of both parties.

No longer can the political establishment write off Mr. Trump as a
temporary break from the long march of progress, a fluke who somehow
sneaked into the White House in a quirky, one-off Electoral College win
eight years ago. With his comeback victory to reclaim the presidency, Mr.
Trump has now established himself as a transformational force reshaping the
United States in his own image.

Populist disenchantment with the nation’s direction and resentment against
elites proved to be deeper and more profound than many in both parties had
recognized. Mr. Trump’s testosterone-driven campaign capitalized on
resistance to electing the first woman president.

And while tens of millions of voters still cast ballots against Mr. Trump,
he once again tapped into a sense among many others that the country they
knew was slipping away, under siege economically, culturally and
demographically.

To counter that, those voters ratified the return of a brash 78-year-old
champion willing to upend convention and take radical action even if it
offends sensibilities or violates old standards. Any misgivings about their
chosen leader were shoved to the side.

As a result, for the first time in history, Americans have elected a
convicted criminal as president. They handed power back to a leader who
tried to overturn a previous election, called for the “termination” of the
Constitution to reclaim his office, aspired to be a dictator on Day 1 and
vowed to exact “retribution” against his adversaries.

A person riding a moped with a Trump 2024 flag on a street.
Mr. Trump framed the election as a war of sorts for the country.Michelle
Gustafson for The New York Times
“The real America becomes Trump’s America,” said Timothy Naftali, a
presidential historian at Columbia University. “Frankly, the world will say
if this man wasn’t disqualified by Jan. 6, which was incredibly influential
around the world, then this is not the America that we knew.”

To Mr. Trump’s allies, the election vindicates his argument that Washington
has grown out of touch, that America is a country weary of overseas wars,
excessive immigration and “woke” political correctness.

“The Trump presidency speaks to the depth of the marginalization felt by
those who believe they have been in the cultural wilderness for too long
and their faith in the one person who has given voice to their frustration
and his ability to center them in American life,” said Melody C. Barnes,
the executive director of the Karsh Institute of Democracy at the
University of Virginia and a former adviser to President Barack Obama.

Rather than be turned off by Mr. Trump’s flagrant, anger-based appeals
along lines of race, gender, religion, national origin and especially
transgender identity, many Americans found them bracing. Rather than be
offended by his brazen lies and wild conspiracy theories, many found him
authentic. Rather than dismiss him as a felon found by various courts to be
a fraudster, cheater, sexual abuser and defamer, many embraced his
assertion that he has been the victim of persecution.

“This election was a CAT scan on the American people, and as difficult as
it is to say, as hard as it is to name, what it revealed, at least in part,
is a frightening affinity for a man of borderless corruption,” said Peter
H. Wehner, a former strategic adviser to President George W. Bush and vocal
critic of Mr. Trump. “Donald Trump is no longer an aberration; he is
normative.”

The fact that Mr. Trump was able to bounce back from so many legal and
political defeats over the past four years, any one of which would have
been enough to wreck the career of any other politician, was a testament to
his remarkable resilience and defiance. He is unbowed and, this time at
least, undefeated.

It also owed in part to failures of President Biden and Ms. Harris, his
vice president. Mr. Trump’s victory was a repudiation of an administration
that passed sweeping pandemic relief, social spending and climate change
programs but was hobbled by sky-high inflation and illegal immigration,
both of which were brought under control too late.

Moreover, Mr. Biden and Ms. Harris never managed to heal the divisions of
the Trump era as promised, though it may never have been possible. They
could not figure out how to channel the anger that propels his movement or
respond to the culture wars he fosters.

Once she took the torch from Mr. Biden, Ms. Harris initially emphasized a
positive, joy-filled mission to the future, consolidating excited Democrats
behind her, but it was not enough to win over uncommitted voters.

At that point, she switched back to Mr. Biden’s approach of warning about
the dangers of Mr. Trump and the incipient fascism she said he represented.
That was not enough either.

“The coalition that elected them wanted them to unite the country, and they
failed to do so,” said former Representative Carlos Curbelo, a Republican
from Florida. “Their failure has resulted in further disillusionment with
our country’s politics and empowered the Trump base to give him another
narrow victory after setbacks in three consecutive general elections.”

Ms. Harris did preach unity in her closing days, but her “we are all in
this together” message of harmony fell short against Mr. Trump’s “fight,
fight, fight” message of belligerence. As much as anything, the election
reinforced how polarized the country has become, split down the middle. It
is a tribal era, an us-versus-them moment, when each side is so divorced
from the other that they find it hard to even comprehend each other.

Mr. Trump’s political resurrection also highlighted an often underestimated
aspect of the 248-year-old American democratic experiment.

For all of its commitment to constitutionalism, the United States has seen
moments before when the public hungered for a strongman and exhibited a
willingness to empower such a figure with outsized authority. That has
often come during times of war or national peril, but Mr. Trump frames the
current struggle for America as a war of sorts.

“Trump has been conditioning Americans throughout this campaign to see
American democracy as a failed experiment,” said Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a
historian and author of “Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present.” By praising
dictators like President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and President Xi
Jinping of China, she said, “he has used his campaign to prepare Americans
for autocracy.”

She cited his adoption of language from Nazi and Soviet lexicons, such as
branding opponents as “vermin” and the “enemy from within” while accusing
immigrants of “poisoning the blood of our country,” and suggesting that he
might use the military to round up opponents. “A victory for Trump would
mean that this vision of America — and the recourse to violence as a means
of solving political problems — has triumphed,” Ms. Ben-Ghiat said.

Others cautioned against assuming Mr. Trump would follow through on his
most outlandish threats. Marc Short, who was chief of staff to Vice
President Mike Pence and might have reasons to worry given Mr. Trump’s
anger at him and his former boss, said he was not concerned about a wave of
retaliation.

“I don’t believe in that,” he said. “I think there’s a lot of theater
around that more than there is real sort of retribution.”

But Mr. Short predicted another four years of chaos and uncertainty. “I
would anticipate a lot of volatility — personnel but also significant
boomerangs on policy,” he said. “Not boomerang from Biden-Harris but
boomerang from himself. You’ll have one position one day and another the
next.”

Mr. Trump’s latest victory also adds ammunition to the argument that the
country is not ready for a woman in the Oval Office. Mr. Trump, a
thrice-married admitted adulterer accused of sexual misconduct by more than
two dozen women, has for the second time defeated a woman with more
experience in public office than he had. Each of them was flawed, just as
male candidates are flawed, but the sense of 2016 déjà vu on the left on
Wednesday morning was palpable.

Mr. Trump ran a campaign openly aimed at men, featuring Hulk Hogan ripping
off his shirt at the Republican National Convention, macho talk at his
closing Madison Square Garden rally and even the former president himself
seeming to simulate a sex act on a microphone in the final days of the
race. On Election Day, Mr. Trump’s adviser Stephen Miller posted a message
on social media saying, “If you know any men who haven’t voted, get them to
the polls.”

According to exit polls, a majority of Ms. Harris’s supporters were women
while a majority of Mr. Trump’s supporters were men. Yet even though most
abortion rights referendums were passing in various states on Tuesday, the
issue did not galvanize women in the first presidential race since Roe v.
Wade was overturned to the extent that Democrats had expected and
Republicans feared.

In a sense, Mr. Trump’s victory also brings the Jan. 6, 2021, ransacking of
the Capitol by a mob of his supporters full circle. The attack, aimed at
stopping the finalization of Mr. Biden’s 2020 victory, has now been recast
from a deadly assault on democracy that discredited Mr. Trump into a
patriotic act that will generate pardons promised by the newly re-elected
president.

“In many ways, this is the last chapter of the Jan. 6 drama,” said Mr.
Naftali. “Many Republicans thought they had managed to thread the needle,
to avoid pissing off their base while also jettisoning Trump. And it turned
out they hadn’t. And now they have him back. And if he wins the bet, and
he’s returned to power, then the final verdict of Jan. 6 is that in modern
America, you can cheat and the system isn’t strong enough to fight back.”

The defining struggle going forward will be the war that Mr. Trump says he
will now wage against a system that he deems corrupt. If he follows his
campaign promises, he will seek to consolidate more power in the
presidency, bring the “deep state” to heel and go after “treasonous”
political opponents in both parties and the media.

As he does that, he will have legitimacy and experience that he did not
have the last time around. He learned from his first term, not so much
about policy, but about how to pull the levers of power. And this time, he
will have more latitude, a more aligned set of advisers and possibly both
houses of Congress as well as a party that even more than eight years ago
answers solely to him.

The Trump era, it turns out, was not a four-year interregnum. Assuming he
finishes his new term, it now looks to be a 12-year era that puts him at
the center of the political stage as long as Franklin D. Roosevelt or
Ronald Reagan were.

It is Mr. Trump’s America after all.

Peter Baker is the chief White House correspondent for The Times. He has
covered the last five presidents and sometimes writes analytical pieces
that place presidents and their administrations in a larger context and
historical framework. More about Peter Baker

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                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-07 13:09 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2024-11-07 22:07 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-08 15:04 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2024-11-08 19:05 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-09 00:41 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-09 09:09 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 11:46 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-09 12:18 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-09 11:58 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-09 15:03 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2024-11-09 16:10 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-09 19:09 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 23:10 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 19:39 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-10 06:44 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-10 11:54 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-10 17:46 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-10 10:02 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-10 15:59 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-10 18:06 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-08 07:55 +0000
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-06 18:13 +0000
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-06 18:56 +0100
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-06 19:31 +0000
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Alfred <Nov.2024@anon.invalid> - 2024-11-06 20:22 +0100
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Wendelin Uez" <wuez@online.de> - 2024-11-06 11:12 +0100
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-07 14:43 +0100
  Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2024-11-06 10:54 +0100
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-06 12:48 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2024-11-06 13:34 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-06 12:57 +0000
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-06 13:17 +0000
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-06 15:28 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-06 15:40 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-06 15:34 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-06 15:45 +0100
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-11-06 13:25 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-06 14:05 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-11-06 18:49 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-06 21:58 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-06 13:13 +0000
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-11-06 18:52 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-06 18:12 +0000
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-11-06 20:18 +0100
              Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-06 20:23 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-06 21:47 +0100
  Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-06 11:54 +0100
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-06 12:32 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-06 14:32 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-06 14:46 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Martin Ebert <mx300@gmx.net> - 2024-11-06 23:13 +0100
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-07 08:46 +0100
              Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2024-11-07 17:11 +0100
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-07 18:13 +0100
              Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-08 08:54 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-08 11:40 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-08 12:05 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-08 12:10 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-06 22:04 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-06 22:07 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-07 08:10 +0100
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-07 12:31 +0100
              Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-07 12:57 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-07 13:04 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-07 13:35 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-07 13:21 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-07 14:37 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-07 14:45 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Wolf gang P u f f e <remail@gmx.com> - 2024-11-07 18:01 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-07 18:18 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-07 18:26 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-07 19:32 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-07 18:33 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 19:52 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Wolf gang P u f f e <remail@gmx.com> - 2024-11-08 12:12 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-08 17:08 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-07 23:04 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 23:21 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 23:27 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-08 11:44 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-08 12:00 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-08 12:30 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-08 15:42 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-08 16:23 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-08 17:36 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-08 08:57 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-08 16:07 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-08 16:35 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-10 08:30 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-08 17:37 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-08 20:02 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-08 22:07 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-09 00:24 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-09 06:42 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 09:37 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-09 09:50 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-09 12:07 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-09 11:16 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-09 14:11 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-09 14:09 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 18:00 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2024-11-09 18:37 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-09 19:10 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-10 08:35 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-10 11:36 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-10 20:00 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-10 11:39 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-10 14:33 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-11 12:04 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-11 15:29 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-11 17:30 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-11 18:36 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-11 19:48 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-10 08:34 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 11:48 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-09 14:15 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 09:32 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-09 12:49 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-09 12:21 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-09 15:19 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 19:54 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2024-11-09 16:16 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 20:01 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 17:57 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-07 19:26 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-07 14:52 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-07 15:19 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2024-11-07 23:46 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-08 00:54 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-08 08:46 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-08 08:52 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-08 09:16 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-08 11:06 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-08 14:35 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-08 13:58 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2024-11-08 15:17 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-08 16:02 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-08 17:19 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-08 17:34 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-08 16:46 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-08 16:57 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-08 18:26 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-08 19:42 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-08 18:55 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Heinz Brückner <Ha-He-Brueck@t-online.de> - 2024-11-08 19:59 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-08 20:08 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-08 20:19 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-08 21:21 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-08 22:05 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 12:18 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-09 14:32 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2024-11-09 15:07 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-09 16:06 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-08 22:30 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-08 22:53 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-09 00:57 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 10:00 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-09 07:07 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 10:13 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-09 10:15 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-09 10:25 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 12:39 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 19:21 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 09:52 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 12:21 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-09 12:27 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 18:19 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2024-11-09 18:30 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-09 19:17 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-09 19:11 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-09 00:40 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-09 10:59 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 12:46 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-09 12:56 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 18:21 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-09 12:03 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-09 00:03 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-08 18:18 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-08 18:23 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-08 22:36 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-09 00:19 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 10:21 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-08 22:22 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-08 22:32 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-08 22:50 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-09 00:43 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-09 09:02 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-09 12:41 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-08 18:10 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-08 17:34 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-08 16:23 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2024-11-07 18:09 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-07 18:52 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-07 19:47 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-07 22:05 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-07 23:14 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann-usenet24@snafu.de> - 2024-11-07 13:57 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2024-11-07 14:31 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann-usenet24@snafu.de> - 2024-11-07 16:37 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Carlo XYZ <carloxyz@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 14:50 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Christian Schumacher <cs.spam@nurfuerspam.de> - 2024-11-08 22:36 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 09:10 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2024-11-09 08:24 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-09 10:03 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-09 10:23 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-09 14:03 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-09 12:12 +0100
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-09 14:01 +0000
              Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-07 13:13 +0100
              Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-08 08:50 +0000
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-06 14:52 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-06 16:02 +0100
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-06 21:57 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2024-11-07 00:15 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-07 08:11 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-07 08:58 +0100
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Frank Nitzschner <nospam@nitzschner.de> - 2024-11-07 09:08 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! t.r.h@gmx.net (Torsten Rüdiger Hansen) - 2024-11-07 16:24 +0100
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-07 18:20 +0100
  Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-06 13:24 +0000
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-06 14:31 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-06 13:47 +0000
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-07 16:04 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 18:22 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ulf_Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2024-11-08 09:43 +0000
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-07 18:28 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 18:30 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-07 19:54 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 20:04 +0100
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-07 20:48 +0100
              Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 21:08 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2024-11-08 22:55 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2024-11-07 18:25 +0000
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-07 19:59 +0000
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 21:44 +0100
          Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-07 23:19 +0000
            Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-08 12:08 +0100
              Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-11-08 11:53 +0000
                Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-08 14:07 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Ned Kelly <ned.kelly@nefkom.net> - 2024-11-07 22:23 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-08 09:08 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2024-11-08 09:03 +0100
  Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Wolf gang P u f f e <remail@gmx.com> - 2024-11-06 15:33 +0100
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-06 16:05 +0100
  Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Jochen Kremer <jochen.news@kremerweb.de> - 2024-11-07 11:26 +0100
    Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter McD <peter.posts@gmx.net> - 2024-11-07 14:39 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-11-07 14:47 +0100
        Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2024-11-07 19:21 +0100
      Re: Amerikaner, was habt Ihr (schon wieder) getan! Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2024-11-07 14:57 +0100

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