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Re: Apple vs. FBI

From Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de>
Newsgroups ger.ct
Subject Re: Apple vs. FBI
Date 2016-02-20 12:13 +0100
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Am 20.02.2016 um 11:22 schrieb Lothar Frings:
> Michael Bode tat kund:
> 
>> Am 19.02.2016 um 15:18 schrieb Lars Gebauer:
>>> Was nutzt dem FBI ein Bewegungsprofil, wenn es an die auf dem Gerät
>>> gespeicherten Daten heran will?
>>
>> Vor einem Jahr hieß es noch, die *Meta*daten wären viel wichtiger als
>> die Daten.
> 
> Sind sie doch auch.

Die haben sie schon. Die fallen ja überall bei den Providern an. Wann
ist man wo ins Mobilfunknetz eingebucht, wann meldet das GPS welche
Positon, wann wird mit wem wie für wie lange kommuniziert. Wann wird wo
was bezahlt. War's ein Sonderangebot?

Scheint so, als wären die eigentlichen Daten doch wichtiger.

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Apple vs. FBI Frank Hucklenbroich <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 08:58 +0100
  Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-19 09:06 +0100
    Re: Apple vs. FBI Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2016-02-19 15:02 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-02-19 15:18 +0100
        Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-20 10:05 +0100
          Re: Apple vs. FBI Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-02-20 02:22 -0800
            Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-20 12:13 +0100
              Re: Apple vs. FBI Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2016-02-20 13:23 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 13:59 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-20 14:09 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-20 14:25 +0100
              Re: Apple vs. FBI Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-02-20 13:55 +0100
    Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-19 18:02 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-19 18:20 +0100
        Re: Apple vs. FBI Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-02-19 18:50 +0100
    Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-19 20:29 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-19 20:36 +0100
        Re: Apple vs. FBI Florian Maier <holeinone5@gmx.net> - 2016-02-20 09:13 +0100
          Re: Apple vs. FBI Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-02-20 22:52 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI marijke widdecke <mamaviwa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 10:29 -0800
    Re: Apple vs. FBI Rainer Fonrobert <rfonrobert@vodafone.de> - 2016-02-20 00:53 +0100
    Re: Apple vs. FBI Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-02-20 01:52 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-20 06:37 +0100
        Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-20 10:21 +0100
          Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 11:05 +0100
            Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-20 11:32 +0100
              Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 11:54 +0100
          Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-20 14:06 +0100
        Re: Apple vs. FBI Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-02-20 11:33 +0100
          Re: Apple vs. FBI Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-20 10:37 +0000
            Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-20 12:26 +0100
              Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 12:38 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-20 12:52 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 14:01 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-20 14:13 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-20 14:18 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 14:29 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-20 14:38 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-21 16:18 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-21 16:45 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-21 21:50 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-21 16:41 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-02-21 16:47 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-21 16:58 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-21 17:06 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-21 17:59 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-21 18:06 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-21 18:08 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-21 18:43 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-22 17:26 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-22 17:46 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-22 20:22 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-02-22 11:41 -0800
                Re: Apple vs. FBI spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-02-23 07:31 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-02-22 23:30 -0800
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-23 08:44 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-23 09:10 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-02-24 10:47 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-24 11:02 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-24 11:27 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-02-24 12:19 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2016-02-24 21:03 +0000
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-02-24 22:14 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-02-24 14:12 -0800
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2016-02-25 07:27 +0000
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-25 08:30 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-02-25 18:07 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2016-02-25 17:30 +0000
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-24 23:35 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-25 06:48 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-25 08:41 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-25 11:50 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-25 06:28 +0000
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-02-24 23:01 -0800
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-25 11:50 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-25 12:01 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-25 08:41 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-25 11:48 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-25 18:24 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-25 06:23 +0000
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-25 08:39 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-25 18:22 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Peter Faust <peter.faust-solingen@t-online.de> - 2016-02-25 21:08 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-02-21 17:38 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-21 21:54 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-22 17:10 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-22 17:58 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-22 18:02 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-22 10:15 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-22 10:21 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Frank Boehm <fraboehm@gmx.de> - 2016-02-22 14:28 +0000
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-22 17:16 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-22 17:24 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-22 20:43 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-22 20:53 +0100
            Re: Apple vs. FBI Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-02-20 15:22 +0100
        Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-20 14:03 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-20 13:58 +0100
  Re: Apple vs. FBI gunter kühne <kuehne123@front.ru> - 2016-02-19 13:59 +0100
  Re: Apple vs. FBI Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-02-19 15:25 +0100
    Re: Apple vs. FBI Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-19 16:00 +0000
      Re: Apple vs. FBI gunter kühne <kuehne123@front.ru> - 2016-02-19 17:59 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2016-02-19 21:00 +0000
        Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-20 14:19 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-02-19 23:51 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-02-20 10:13 +0100
        Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-20 14:26 +0100
          Re: Apple vs. FBI Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-02-20 14:27 +0100
          Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 14:32 +0100
            Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 14:58 +0100
              Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 16:48 +0100
                Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-20 17:04 +0100
            Re: Apple vs. FBI "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-02-22 10:18 +0100
              Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-22 17:09 +0100
    Re: Apple vs. FBI Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-02-19 18:03 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-02-19 18:54 +0100
      Re: Apple vs. FBI Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-02-19 23:48 +0100
        Re: Apple vs. FBI Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-02-20 02:43 -0800
  Re: Apple vs. FBI Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-03-01 07:51 +0100
  Re: Apple vs. FBI Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2016-03-09 12:48 +0100

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