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| From | mick <nospam@junk.mail> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | free.virginmedia.comp.linux |
| Subject | Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 |
| Date | 2016-08-29 01:50 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <mn.e86e7e08460f2687.90097@junk.mail> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <4QVvz.595059$SA.228692@fx44.am4> <mn.d4df7e08e18a2d94.90097@junk.mail> <dFcwz.718419$YA.281600@fx38.am4> <npv0qc$vsh$1@dont-email.me> <ydJwz.794835$AB.139336@fx41.am4> |
On 28/08/2016 23:04:14, DaveG wrote: > On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 15:43:08 +0000, mick wrote: > >> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:00:57 +0000, DaveG wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:47:11 +0100, mick wrote: >>> >>>> On 26/08/2016 12:35:28, DaveG wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 02:06:39 +0100, mick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 26/08/2016 01:51:53, DaveG wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 19:02:49 +0000, mick wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:23:36 +0000, DaveG wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:38:52 +0000, mick wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dave, a small problem you may recall from awhile ago that I >>>>>>>>>> never resolved was the extra carraige returns in the signature >>>>>>>>>> ver 0.139. >>>>>>>>>> I am still experiencing it in the updated 0.140. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The bug was reported back in 2008 >>>>>>>>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554178 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I notice that your signature has always been three lines from >>>>>>>>>> any quoted text instead of the five that I suffer from. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In your Pan's posting profile what signature TYPE do you use? >>>>>>>>>> I have tried text and text file but they make no difference. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There has been a lot of fixes in the latest release but not the >>>>>>>>>> one I wanted and I have not noticed anything else that has >>>>>>>>>> changed or made a difference. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pan 0.140, sig type text file. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks, same here, text file. >>>>>>>> must be mint that is causing the problem, was the same in 17.3 >>>>>>>> KDE, >>>>>>>> now using Cinnamon 18. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW your thread starter had 4 blank lines before the sig and this >>>>>>> one I'm replying to had only 3 >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, that's because the first post was a Text signature and the >>>>>> second post was a Text File signature. I'll stick with the >>>>>> signature done in a text file as that does not look so bad. Thanks >>>>>> for the feedback. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if the text signature displays an extra blank line because >>>>> you put an LF at the end of the text you typed in? >>>> >>>> Misunderstood with my first reply at 19.14. >>>> No, I am not putting an extra line feed at the end of my typed text. >>>> When I open follow up to newsgroup there is a blank line below the >>>> other persons quoted text, then a blinking cursor ready for me to >>>> start typing my reply on the second line, then three blank lines below >>>> the cursor, then the two dashes and then the signature, that's five >>>> blank lines between the last line of quoted text and the two dashes. >>>> If I use the 'text' signature instead of the text file signature that >>>> produces six blank lines between the other persons quoted text and the >>>> two dashes before I ever start typing. >>>> Using MesNews this time which looks right. >>> >>> 'tis odd and no idea why yours should be different to mine. Maybe it's >>> not Pan but a library dependency? Have you asked in the Pan mailing >>> list? >> >> One reply from the pan mailing list: >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> >> At least in my case, that's because I tend to manually add/delete lines >> as necessary to leave a single blank line above the signature. (On >> short posts it'll be manual delete as there's too many blank lines, but >> on longer posts I guess I often arrow down instead of hitting enter >> twice to start a new paragraph, so I often end up manually adding lines >> to keep the signature as, effectively, the last paragraph.) >> >> IOW, that's a long term if minor bug that has been there as long as I >> can remember. In fact, I /think/ I remember the old C-based pan, 0.14.x >> era (upstream 0.14.x), before the C++ rewrite that was introduced with >> 0.90, behaving similarly. I suppose most long-term users have gotten as >> used to it as I have, and simply add/delete lines manually without >> hardly thinking of it any longer, just as I do. >> >> But if someone wishes to create a patch to fix it, say making it three >> blank lines with the cursor on the second, ready to type in the reply, I >> imagine it'd be taken pretty fast, and I imagine that'd be a reasonably >> easy patch, likely easy enough I could do it myself if it bothered me >> enough, and I don't make any claims at being a coder, certainly not C++, >> tho I did have a pascal course in college, 30-some years ago. But as I >> said half the time I'd probably end up manually fixing up the sig >> separation anyway, so it's too minor to bother patching, here. >> >> -- >> Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. >> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- >> and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> >> To me that kind of sums up Linux, nothing is quite polished off. Mint >> is striving to be a very good operating system and a real alternative >> for disillusioned windows users but it is being let down by third party >> apathy. >> >> I really want to break away completely from Microsoft and windows only >> software but it is so hard to give up all those nice touches that just >> work, e.g., I use Foxit Reader for reading books and magazines at lot. >> In windows you can set facing pages (to see those two page spreads of >> single photos) and there is a separate cover page view, so every time >> you open a file it remembers and you see the cover then facing pages as >> you would normally read a book/magazine. That option is not there in >> the Linux version, so you get the cover page and the next page together >> then your facing pages after that are out of sync. There are ways around >> that but it just makes the experience that more frustrating to work >> with. >> >> Evolution is a good alternative to Outlook but you cannot leave it >> running all day in the background as it just throws wobblies, so you >> have to shut it down and re-opening every so often. >> >> The only program I never have trouble with is Firefox, the add-ons work >> and it syncs perfectly with the windows version. >> >> With all the kerfuffle about windows 10 going on during the past year it >> is a great opportunity for the Linux brigade to show their strengths and >> win over the windows dis-illusionists but I don't see that eagerness to >> impress. > > To an extent, you are right, but in this instance not quite for the right > reasons. In Pan, for example, when I click on reply the new post compose > window opens up either quoting the selected text, if any, or the whole > post if not. There are exactly three blank lines between the quoted text > and the sig and the cursor is set at the middle line. That's why I > suspect it's not the fault of Pan but some other library it's calling. > You have the same version of Pan as me but you use Linux and I use > FreeBSD so it's likely an external event causing the problem or maybe > even the compiler used to build it. Have you tried out Pan from any > other live boot OS to see if it behaves differently? No, I had not thought of doing that. When I get some spare time I will give it a try. > As for other apps not always being as "polished" in some instances as > some Windows apps, I think that might have more to do with the whole > ethos of open source rather than apathy or laziness. Windows apps tend > to be quite heavily monetised in one form or another with advertising, > restricted time useage, reduced functionality etc. so the authors are far > more likely to be making a living at it or at least have financial > incentive to reach the top of a very crowded pyramid with enormous > amounts of dross underneath it. The upside of that is that they have to > compete harder to make it to the top, the downside is that they need the > resources to compete to make it to the top and that means generating > income. I appreciate that getting a free model is not going to be as refined as something that is paid for but I am willing to and often donate a fair percentage of what an equivalent commercial package would cost. In fact I came across a windows file renaming freebie awhile ago that was very good and donated a tenner, after using it for week I was even more impressed that it did everything I threw at it I went back and donated another tenner because I couldn't find a commercial version that was anywhere near it for features and ease of use. Maybe we need something just above the free open source. Linux pro range of software for under a tenner? I am sure there are many people out there who would be willing to part with small amounts for better written 'open source'(sic) software who would not necessarily donate freely of their own accord. The future of windows looks as though it could become unaffordable for the average person with software going towards a subscription model if they want more than just the operating system's bare essentials of word processing, image manipulation, video editing and so forth. I was amazed when I just added up the many programs I use on a regular basis. they are not all the latest versions and don't need to be. but if those became a subscription model then there would be no way I could justify paying what seems to be about eight pounds a month each (going by todays prices for the likes of Adobe and Office365) > The more polished *nix apps are the more mainstream ones where the > industry is allocating resources to the development. In some instances > I've seen individuals or small businesses who have a specific need offer > cash "bounties" for development work. > > PS, I'm subscribed to the Pan list, but I don't always check my main > email every day, especially weekends. I'll reply to Duncan with the > relevant bits above and see if that triggers any other responses from > users of other incantations of Linux etc. I was going to give you the link to the post in the pan users group but when I went to Outlook I see you have already been busy posting ;-) -- mick
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Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 mick <no.spam@junk.mail> - 2016-08-24 00:38 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2016-08-24 18:23 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 mick <no.spam@junk.mail> - 2016-08-24 19:02 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2016-08-26 00:51 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2016-08-26 02:06 +0100
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2016-08-26 11:35 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 mick <no.spam@junk.mail> - 2016-08-26 18:14 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2016-08-26 20:47 +0100
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2016-08-27 09:00 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 mick <no.spam@junk.mail> - 2016-08-27 14:23 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 mick <no.spam@junk.mail> - 2016-08-28 15:43 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2016-08-28 22:04 +0000
Re: Ping DaveG - pan 0.140 mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2016-08-29 01:50 +0100
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