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WWDC 2018

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  WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 09:03 +1200
    Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 17:13 -0400
      Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 18:17 -0700
        Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 21:38 -0400
          Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:09 -0700
          Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:25 +0000
            Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 06:41 -0700
        Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 13:57 +1200
          Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:18 -0400
            Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:20 -0400
              Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:31 +0000
                Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 09:33 -0400
                  Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 16:21 +0000
                    Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 12:35 -0400
                      Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 01:25 +0000
                        Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 21:29 -0400
                      Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
                        Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-05 22:04 -0400
                        Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-06 14:29 +1200
                          Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 00:42 -0400
                          Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 01:05 -0400
                            Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 01:16 -0400
                            Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 18:46 +1200
                              Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:22 -0400
                                Re: WWDC 2018 Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-06 08:45 +0000
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:11 -0400
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 09:22 -0700
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:27 -0400
                                Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 10:35 -0400
                              Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-06 22:20 +1200
                                Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:17 -0400
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:27 -0400
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:34 -0400
                                      Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:40 -0400
                                      Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:10 -0700
                                      Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 13:33 -0700
                                      Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 14:57 +1200
                                        Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-07 03:19 -0400
                                          Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-08 09:32 +1200
                                            Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 00:45 -0700
                                            Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 06:45 -0700
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-07 13:49 +1200
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 20:21 -0700
                                Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 09:23 +1200
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 17:40 -0400
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-07 01:12 +0000
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 16:25 -0700
                            Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:19 -0400
                        Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 06:37 +0000
                          Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:23 -0400
                    Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:04 +0000
                      Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 01:24 +0000
                    Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 12:41 -0700
                Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 +0000
            Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:31 -0400
            Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0400
            Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 00:36 -0400
            Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:30 +0000
          Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:15 -0700
            Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 18:40 +1200
              Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 00:49 -0700
                Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 13:31 +1200
                  Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 18:36 -0700
                    Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 15:25 +1200
              Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 09:33 -0400
        Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:18 -0700
          Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:26 +0000
            Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
              Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 16:19 +0000
          Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:00 +0000
            Re: WWDC 2018 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-06-05 22:32 +0200
              Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 21:13 +0000
        Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:24 +0000
    Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 13:30 +1200
      Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 00:07 -0700
    Re: WWDC 2018 Peter Kozlov <peter.kozlov@blacksea.design> - 2018-06-05 14:33 -0700
      Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 13:37 +1200
        Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
      Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 22:10 -0700
    Re: WWDC 2018 Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-07 12:12 +0000
      Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-07 15:59 -0400
      Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-08 14:00 +1200

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#117009 — WWDC 2018

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2018-06-05 09:03 +1200
SubjectWWDC 2018
Message-ID<pf49f2$vgv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various 
OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework 
Quick Look into being a Preview replacement.  :-\

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#117010

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-06-04 17:13 -0400
Message-ID<040620181713045954%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#117009
In article <pf49f2$vgv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various 
> OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework 
> Quick Look into being a Preview replacement.  :-\

as predicted, more ignorant comments.

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#117020

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2018-06-04 18:17 -0700
Message-ID<pf4oan$pv3$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#117010
On 2018-06-04 21:13:04 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <pf49f2$vgv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
>> As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various
>> OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework
>> Quick Look into being a Preview replacement.  :-\
> 
> as predicted, more ignorant comments.

I for one am very interested in *most* of what was offered in the OS 
changes. And what a boatload of eye-candy!  I could care less about 
icons and animated icons and all that stuff, but I know that such 
frippery has legions of fans.

I thought the group facetime stuff was very cool, and again think it 
will draw in plenty of users--the kind of people who love this sort of 
stuff. I have an iPhone as does my wife and all my friends; none of us 
use facetime to my knowledge. Still I wouldn't be shocked to find I'm 
using it in a few years.

I wonder if the intent is to draw away users from the competition 
(android, others) with all these extraordinary bells and whistles.  
There are a *lot* of bells and whistles!

Desktop stacks may well be garbage for "Your Name" and of little use to 
me, since I keep my desktop well organized.  But it will be a 
*dramatic* way for my wife to understand her haphazard world, and for 
me to periodically sort it out for her.

I look forward to using the "get info" left-side panel in the Finder windows.

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#117024

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-06-04 21:38 -0400
Message-ID<040620182138261263%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#117020
In article <pf4oan$pv3$1@news.albasani.net>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >> As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various
> >> OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework
> >> Quick Look into being a Preview replacement.  :-\
> > 
> > as predicted, more ignorant comments.
> 
> I for one am very interested in *most* of what was offered in the OS 
> changes. And what a boatload of eye-candy!  I could care less about 
> icons and animated icons and all that stuff, but I know that such 
> frippery has legions of fans.

many, many fans. messaging is the most popular activity.

> I thought the group facetime stuff was very cool, and again think it 
> will draw in plenty of users--the kind of people who love this sort of 
> stuff. I have an iPhone as does my wife and all my friends; none of us 
> use facetime to my knowledge. Still I wouldn't be shocked to find I'm 
> using it in a few years.

quite useful, although managing 32 people in a single session on a
small screen will be interesting.

> I wonder if the intent is to draw away users from the competition 
> (android, others) with all these extraordinary bells and whistles.  
> There are a *lot* of bells and whistles!

obviously the intent is to get people to switch to apple products.

> Desktop stacks may well be garbage for "Your Name" and of little use to 
> me, since I keep my desktop well organized.  But it will be a 
> *dramatic* way for my wife to understand her haphazard world, and for 
> me to periodically sort it out for her.

most people's desktops, mac or windows, are cluttered.

another dumping ground is the downloads folder. after a file is
downloaded, it never gets moved out.

some people even use the trash can as storage. i know someone who would
routinely empty people's trash cans to rid them of this habit.

> I look forward to using the "get info" left-side panel in the Finder windows.

i'm looking forward to browser fingerprint spoofing & blocking like
button trackers, homekit support in macos, as much as 2x speed
improvements in ios 12 and automatic workout detection.

no word yet on what the 32 bit 'compromises' are, but from what i've
heard so far, there is still a warning when launched and they still
run.

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#117032

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2018-06-04 23:09 -0700
Message-ID<pf59ei$dht$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#117024
On 2018-06-05 01:38:26 +0000, nospam said:

>> Desktop stacks may well be garbage for "Your Name" and of little use to
>> me, since I keep my desktop well organized.  But it will be a
>> *dramatic* way for my wife to understand her haphazard world, and for
>> me to periodically sort it out for her.
> 
> most people's desktops, mac or windows, are cluttered.
> 
> another dumping ground is the downloads folder. after a file is
> downloaded, it never gets moved out.

My wife has a system: I eventually clean it out for her.

> some people even use the trash can as storage. i know someone who would
> routinely empty people's trash cans to rid them of this habit.
> 
>> I look forward to using the "get info" left-side panel in the Finder windows.

Oops.  I meant their new *right-side" panel in the Finder windows.

> i'm looking forward to browser fingerprint spoofing & blocking like
> button trackers, homekit support in macos, as much as 2x speed
> improvements in ios 12 and automatic workout detection.
> 
> no word yet on what the 32 bit 'compromises' are, but from what i've
> heard so far, there is still a warning when launched and they still
> run.

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#117056

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2018-06-05 10:25 +0000
Message-ID<slrnphcp8f.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local>
In reply to#117024
In message <040620182138261263%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> no word yet on what the 32 bit 'compromises' are, but from what i've
> heard so far, there is still a warning when launched and they still
> run.

They did announce that 10.14 would be the last version to run 32-bit
apps.


-- 
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

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#117069

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-05 06:41 -0700
Message-ID<f50d65ea-d94e-4188-abdf-8c4014bd465f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#117056
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:25:21 AM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:
> In message <040620182138261263%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > no word yet on what the 32 bit 'compromises' are, but from what i've
> > heard so far, there is still a warning when launched and they still
> > run.
> 
> They did announce that 10.14 would be the last version to run 32-bit
> apps.
> 
> 
> -- 
> A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.



Right now there are too many "bugs are acceptable" people in this group and not enough people with enough understanding to help the people with bricked PCs. 

And what did Sigmond have to say about this miraculous, years long string of oddities? Most of the time he would try to push Steve Petruzzellis to believe they're real people who just happened to have a detailed understanding of the history of the group. All makes total sense, NOT! <giggle> 

Sigmond's posts are nothing but a valueless brain dump. 

Too much glue for you, gluehead. 

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#117025

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2018-06-05 13:57 +1200
Message-ID<pf4qm8$1n4f$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#117020
On 2018-06-05 01:17:11 +0000, gtr said:
> On 2018-06-04 21:13:04 +0000, nospam said:
>> In article <pf49f2$vgv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various
>>> OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework
>>> Quick Look into being a Preview replacement.  :-\
>> 
>> as predicted, more ignorant comments.
> 
> I for one am very interested in *most* of what was offered in the OS 
> changes. And what a boatload of eye-candy!

You say "potahto" (eye-candy), I say "potayto" (pointless gimmickry).  :-)



> I could care less about icons and animated icons and all that stuff, 
> but I know that such frippery has legions of fans.

Yeah, right. We know you'll be making a Memoji  ;-)  just like every 
other iOS user ... until they get bored of the gimmick after a few 
'look at this new gimmick' uses and then never bother using it ever 
again, like the previous Animojis.



> I thought the group facetime stuff was very cool, and again think it 
> will draw in plenty of users--the kind of people who love this sort of 
> stuff. I have an iPhone as does my wife and all my friends; none of us 
> use facetime to my knowledge. Still I wouldn't be shocked to find I'm 
> using it in a few years.
> 
> I wonder if the intent is to draw away users from the competition 
> (android, others) with all these extraordinary bells and whistles.  
> There are a *lot* of bells and whistles!
> 
> Desktop stacks may well be garbage for "Your Name" and of little use to 
> me, since I keep my desktop well organized.  But it will be a 
> *dramatic* way for my wife to understand her haphazard world, and for 
> me to periodically sort it out for her.

Unless you use properly set-up tags (highly unlikely for those who are 
disorganised enough to litter their Desktop with files in the first 
place), the Desktop Stacks simply group together files of the same 
type, making it somewhat useless. You'd be better off at least making 
your own Desktop folders to store stuff in organised how you want ... 
or even better, put the files away in properly organised locations in 
the first place.

The one person I help out who has an incredibly messy Desktop wouldn't 
know the difference between looking in the 'Photos' stack or the 
'Documents' stack, so they'd still be trawling through all the stacks 
looking for the file they want.




> I look forward to using the "get info" left-side panel in the Finder windows.

I'm not sure you've got that correct. I haven't seen any mention of a 
Finder "get info" panel yet. There is a new info panel on the *right* 
side of the 'Gallery' view, but it only shows the meta data from media 
files (the video format, the photo dimensions, etc.), not the actual 
Finder info. Potentially that could eventually be expanded on to show 
info for other files types.

Some people are all excited about the "new Gallery view" ... except 
it's already been there for many previous versions of macOS under the 
name "Cover Flow", and is rarely-to-never used by most people.

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#117027

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2018-06-04 23:18 -0400
Message-ID<pinRC.291565$ll2.8303@fx35.iad>
In reply to#117025
What got my attention (no particular order)

-Conference calling on Facetime.
-APFS will be good on Fusion and spinning hard drives
 (this appeared on the last slide on wall before end of keynote, I
assume there will be a presentation on that)


-No mention of 32 vs 64 bit.
-No mention of Apple Pay progress.
-First US based non-Apple Pay access to NFC  will be student ID cards
that can be loaded in Wallet and used to unlock doors at a handful of US
universities. (Access to NFC was done in Japan for its trasit system
some time ago).



The IOS-coexietence was explained. The UI API from IOS is being ported
as a long term project. It will translate native MAC UI (mouse , mouse
clicks, scrolling) into IOS events. This is long term projects and Apple
expects developpers to get a beta by next year. But already, some of the
new apps on OS-X such as "News" are IOS apps ported from IOS to OS-X.
This will require apps be recompiled. (so this is not an emulator).

No mention of how App store will work on this. (aka: if you buy app on
iPhone, will the x86/OS-X version (if available) automatically become
avaialble to download on the Mac App store ?


IOS gets performance upgrades which will benefit older phones a lot.
Same batch of phones get IOS 12 that got 11.

The OS-X change to white on dark is ironic. It was Apple which "forced"
thr world to go black on white starting with the Lisa/Mac. And now they
want to reverse this, but knowing Jony Ive, will likely be grey on grey.

The new "gallery" view is intetesting in terms of being a possible low
end replacement for Adobe Bridge (Ability to display Exif data on a
right sidebar).

The Mac App store gets a Jony Ive UI, no actual changes under the hood
on how apps approved etc etc.


Overall, nothing compelling. We'll have to see in individual sessions
how much gets changed under the hood.

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#117028

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2018-06-04 23:20 -0400
Message-ID<cknRC.291566$ll2.258472@fx35.iad>
In reply to#117027
Oh almost forgot: AppleTV gets no improvement. Its terrible UI not
getting a makeover.

AppleTV 4K gets Dolby Atmos.


Apple Watch gets Walkie Talkie functionality, biut not iPhones. This I
find strange. You think it woudl have been integrated.

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#117059

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2018-06-05 10:31 +0000
Message-ID<slrnphcpk3.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local>
In reply to#117028
In message <cknRC.291566$ll2.258472@fx35.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Oh almost forgot: AppleTV gets no improvement.

Utterly wrong.

> Its terrible UI not getting a makeover.

No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
than anyone else's.

> Apple Watch gets Walkie Talkie functionality, biut not iPhones. This I
> find strange. You think it woudl have been integrated.

Apple watch gets a lot of other things too.

-- 
Because you liked "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" may we suggest "The 
Human Centipede"?

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#117068

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-06-05 09:33 -0400
Message-ID<050620180933523172%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#117059
In article <slrnphcpk3.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> 
> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
> than anyone else's.

except for the remote.

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#117074

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2018-06-05 16:21 +0000
Message-ID<slrnphde3o.2nid.g.kreme@Snow.local>
In reply to#117068
In message <050620180933523172%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnphcpk3.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> 
>> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
>> than anyone else's.

> except for the remote.

All the remote needs is a strap on it. I have one remote with the Apple
strap and two others are using old mobile phone straps from the late 90s
and early 2000s.

-- 
Well I've seen the Heart of Darkness/Read the writing on the wall/and the
voice out in the desert/Was the voice out in the hall

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#117077

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-06-05 12:35 -0400
Message-ID<050620181235116080%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#117074
In article <slrnphde3o.2nid.g.kreme@Snow.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> 
> >> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
> >> than anyone else's.
> 
> > except for the remote.
> 
> All the remote needs is a strap on it. I have one remote with the Apple
> strap and two others are using old mobile phone straps from the late 90s
> and early 2000s.

it needs a redesign.

i paired an old remote, one with buttons, namely a 4-way keypad. much
better.

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#117090

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2018-06-06 01:25 +0000
Message-ID<slrnphee0h.2nid.g.kreme@Snow.local>
In reply to#117077
In message <050620181235116080%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnphde3o.2nid.g.kreme@Snow.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> >> 
>> >> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
>> >> than anyone else's.
>> 
>> > except for the remote.
>> 
>> All the remote needs is a strap on it. I have one remote with the Apple
>> strap and two others are using old mobile phone straps from the late 90s
>> and early 2000s.

> it needs a redesign.

> i paired an old remote, one with buttons, namely a 4-way keypad. much
> better.

MUCH slower (I know, I have one of those silver remotes), and no Siri,
so much worse.

-- 
No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us.
It's Them that do the bad things.

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#117091

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-06-05 21:29 -0400
Message-ID<050620182129551151%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#117090
In article <slrnphee0h.2nid.g.kreme@Snow.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> >> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
> >> >> than anyone else's.
> >> 
> >> > except for the remote.
> >> 
> >> All the remote needs is a strap on it. I have one remote with the Apple
> >> strap and two others are using old mobile phone straps from the late 90s
> >> and early 2000s.
> 
> > it needs a redesign.
> 
> > i paired an old remote, one with buttons, namely a 4-way keypad. much
> > better.
> 
> MUCH slower (I know, I have one of those silver remotes), and no Siri,
> so much worse.

i didn't mean the older appletv remote, but rather a multifunction tv
remote. if i need siri, i can use the siri remote, which is rare.

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#117098

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
Message-ID<p0HRC.348366$RM2.103883@fx05.iad>
In reply to#117077
At the "State of the Platforms" presentation:

High Sierra was last release to support 32bit without compromise
Mojave is the last release to support 32bit at all.

Quicktime framework gone.
Java 1.6 Apple framework gone.
Carbon HLTB gone.


(the Java one is important because used by many older Adobe apps that
don't use the Oracle Java one).


For security:
-user conset for data access
-enhanced runtime
-notarized apps


App data to be protected:
-Location
-Contacts
-Photos
-Calendar
-Reminders
-Camera
-Microphone.

(does this mean file seection dialogue will no longer offer access to
the photos library? Will apps that don't request access to photos have
any file selction dialogue remove photos selection?

Also "secured"

-Mail database
-Message history
-Safari data
-Time machine backups
-iTunes device backups
-Locations and routines
-System cookies


SIP protections will be available to apps.


Notarized apps: extension of the Developper ID program.
Block malware before it gets distributed


If you doN't distribute app via App Store, you must still get app
approved by Apple, where it gets "notarized" and you can then distribute
the notarized app via your web site or disjkettes or whatever you use to
distribute apps.  Otherwise, Apple has the ability to block your app
from running on an app by app basis.

When you first laujch app, the user's system checks with Apple to ensure
it is not a maliciosu app and that it was notarized.

For Mojave, this isn't a hard requirement, but will be in a future
version. (Notarized is current in beta)

There is some truth to unification of OS-X and IOS.

AppKit (native to Mac) and UIKit (native to IOS) both rely on:

Media
Core IS
Core Services

Over time those 3 services drifted apart on OS-X and IOS. Apple is now
re-converging these 3 bases frameworks so they are identical on OS-X and
IOS.


Apple will really be pushing that drak mode. Comfirms there will get
grey text on grey TRANSLUCENT background for sidebars. Some icons will
not translate porperly and need to be redraw by app developpers.


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#117099

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2018-06-05 22:04 -0400
Message-ID<riHRC.93168$7H4.78499@fx12.iad>
In reply to#117098
Also:

MacOS Mojave, IOS 12 and TVos 12 deprecate:

OpenGL
OpenGL/ES
OpenCL

APIs remain available for compatibility but will be removed some time in
future (date for removal not announced).


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#117100

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2018-06-06 14:29 +1200
Message-ID<1npz82w.1n04xxn12gw30vN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#117098
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> At the "State of the Platforms" presentation:
> 
> High Sierra was last release to support 32bit without compromise
> Mojave is the last release to support 32bit at all.
> 
> Quicktime framework gone.
> Java 1.6 Apple framework gone.
> Carbon HLTB gone.

Not gone in macOS 10.14, going next year in macOS 10.15 along with all
other 32-bit frameworks.

> (the Java one is important because used by many older Adobe apps that
> don't use the Oracle Java one).

There are workarounds to get most of the Adobe CS applications running
without Java 1.6, e.g. see

https://www.macstrategy.com/article.php?135

That won't help for the components of CS6 and earlier which are still
32-bit (e.g. Indesign all the way up to CS6). They will definitely not
work in macOS 10.15.

> For security:
> -user conset for data access
> -enhanced runtime
> -notarized apps
> 
> 
> App data to be protected:
> -Location
> -Contacts
> -Photos
> -Calendar
> -Reminders
> -Camera
> -Microphone.
> 
> (does this mean file seection dialogue will no longer offer access to
> the photos library? Will apps that don't request access to photos have
> any file selction dialogue remove photos selection?

Apps already shouldn't be directly accessing the Photos library. The
Edit With feature in Photos for High Sierra provides a supported way of
editing photos within the library from other applications.

Access to the photos using supported APIs (e.g. browsing through photos
to choose one to add to a document) will require permission from the
user.

> Also "secured"
> 
> -Mail database
> -Message history
> -Safari data
> -Time machine backups
> -iTunes device backups
> -Locations and routines
> -System cookies
> 
> 
> SIP protections will be available to apps.
> 
> 
> Notarized apps: extension of the Developper ID program.
> Block malware before it gets distributed
> 
> 
> If you doN't distribute app via App Store, you must still get app
> approved by Apple, where it gets "notarized" and you can then distribute
> the notarized app via your web site or disjkettes or whatever you use to
> distribute apps.  Otherwise, Apple has the ability to block your app
> from running on an app by app basis.

And blocking specific versions of apps.

This is better than the current situation where Apple's safest option in
a malware situation is to revoke the developer's certificate and block
all their apps (until the developer fixes the malware issue, gets a new
certificate and re-releases all their apps using it).

> When you first laujch app, the user's system checks with Apple to ensure
> it is not a maliciosu app and that it was notarized.

I'm curious how this is going to work if there is no Internet
connection.

> For Mojave, this isn't a hard requirement, but will be in a future
> version. (Notarized is current in beta)
> 
> There is some truth to unification of OS-X and IOS.

Not in ways which matter to end users.

> AppKit (native to Mac) and UIKit (native to IOS) both rely on:
> 
> Media
> Core IS
> Core Services
> 
> Over time those 3 services drifted apart on OS-X and IOS. Apple is now
> re-converging these 3 bases frameworks so they are identical on OS-X and
> IOS.

So what? Other parts of the system are already identical or have
compatible APIs on both platforms.

> Apple will really be pushing that drak mode. Comfirms there will get
> grey text on grey TRANSLUCENT background for sidebars. Some icons will
> not translate porperly and need to be redraw by app developpers.

Not just some icons but large portions of application user interfaces.
Many applications will need updates to look right in dark mode.

Dark mode is not going to work well for older applications that are an
outdated version, using an old framework or abandoned by the developer.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#117103

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2018-06-06 00:42 -0400
Message-ID<7DJRC.291592$ll2.5364@fx35.iad>
In reply to#117100
On 2018-06-05 22:29, David Empson wrote:

> There are workarounds to get most of the Adobe CS applications running
> without Java 1.6, e.g. see
> 
> https://www.macstrategy.com/article.php?135


Many thanks.

For posterity:


sudo mkdir -p /System/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0.jdk sudo
mkdir -p /System/Library/Java/Support/Deploy.bundle

This *should* trick those apps into thinking the old Java is installed.
(note: requires SIP be disabled to do this).

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