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| Started by | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| First post | 2014-01-04 13:21 -0500 |
| Last post | 2014-01-05 01:29 -0500 |
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interfacing with modem through ATA J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-04 13:21 -0500
Re: interfacing with modem through ATA "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-04 18:44 +0000
Re: interfacing with modem through ATA J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-04 14:31 -0500
Re: interfacing with modem through ATA "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-05 00:39 +0000
Re: interfacing with modem through ATA J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-04 22:20 -0500
Re: interfacing with modem through ATA "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-05 04:49 +0000
Re: interfacing with modem through ATA J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-05 01:29 -0500
| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-04 13:21 -0500 |
| Subject | interfacing with modem through ATA |
| Message-ID | <la9jg0$5md$1@dont-email.me> |
An ethernet cable connects my modem to my analog telephone adaptor. From there, an ethernet cable goes to my computer. Before I had an ATA, I could bring up a modem interface by typing its IP into a browser. Now I can't do it unless I connect the modem directly to the computer. If I can talk to remote IPs with the ATA in the line, why can't I talk to my modem? Is there a way to make it possible?
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| From | "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-04 18:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlcglfg.5fs.gsm@cable.mendelson.com> |
| In reply to | #54327 |
J Burns wrote: > An ethernet cable connects my modem to my analog telephone adaptor. > From there, an ethernet cable goes to my computer. > > Before I had an ATA, I could bring up a modem interface by typing its IP > into a browser. Now I can't do it unless I connect the modem directly > to the computer. > > If I can talk to remote IPs with the ATA in the line, why can't I talk > to my modem? Is there a way to make it possible? Because your ATA and modem are also routers. For some reason the ATA no longer routes packets out to the modem. Most likely case is that they overlap IP address ranges, i.e. the modem uses 192.168.1.xxx as it's LAN side IP range, and the ATA also uses it. The best way to fix it IMHO is to plug both the ATA and your computer into separate ethernet ports on the modem. If it only has one port, you MAY be able to add a small hub to provide extra ports, but first make sure the modem will support multiple clients. The second best way would be to move the ATA's LAN side IP address to another network. This would also require changing the DHCP server's address in the ATA to match. The ATA has QOS routing in it to make sure your internet usage does not affect phone calls. If you are a heavy phone user, it is worth having. A friend of mine found that going through his ATA cut his download speed to half of what it was without it. He only used his phone for faxes and a few calls a month, so he got rid of it and put in a landline. YMMV. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-04 14:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <la9nhr$t2f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54329 |
On 1/4/14, 1:44 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > J Burns wrote: >> An ethernet cable connects my modem to my analog telephone adaptor. >> From there, an ethernet cable goes to my computer. >> >> Before I had an ATA, I could bring up a modem interface by typing its IP >> into a browser. Now I can't do it unless I connect the modem directly >> to the computer. >> >> If I can talk to remote IPs with the ATA in the line, why can't I talk >> to my modem? Is there a way to make it possible? > > Because your ATA and modem are also routers. For some reason the ATA > no longer routes packets out to the modem. > > Most likely case is that they overlap IP address ranges, i.e. > the modem uses 192.168.1.xxx as it's LAN side IP range, and > the ATA also uses it. > > The best way to fix it IMHO is to plug both the ATA and your computer into > separate ethernet ports on the modem. If it only has one port, you MAY > be able to add a small hub to provide extra ports, but first make sure > the modem will support multiple clients. > > The second best way would be to move the ATA's LAN side IP address to > another network. This would also require changing the DHCP server's address > in the ATA to match. > > The ATA has QOS routing in it to make sure your internet usage does not > affect phone calls. If you are a heavy phone user, it is worth having. > > A friend of mine found that going through his ATA cut his download > speed to half of what it was without it. He only used his phone for > faxes and a few calls a month, so he got rid of it and put in a landline. > > YMMV. > > Geoff. > > Wow! Thanks for explaining.
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| From | "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-05 00:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlcha5e.jhv.gsm@cable.mendelson.com> |
| In reply to | #54331 |
J Burns wrote: > Wow! Thanks for explaining. You're welcome. I was think of this after I wrote it, and another option may be to replace your ATA with a SIP phone. There are many different ones in all sorts of price ranges, from a cheap base phone with an ethernet connection, to WiFi phones, to a DECT cordless phone system. Depending upon whom your VoIP provider is, you can often have multiple incomming "channels", make outgoing calls while receiving one, and a DECT system would give you that capability. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-04 22:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <laaj23$fjn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54339 |
On 1/4/14, 7:39 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > J Burns wrote: >> Wow! Thanks for explaining. > You're welcome. > > I was think of this after I wrote it, and another option may be to > replace your ATA with a SIP phone. There are many different ones in > all sorts of price ranges, from a cheap base phone with an ethernet > connection, to WiFi phones, to a DECT cordless phone system. > > Depending upon whom your VoIP provider is, you can often have multiple > incomming "channels", make outgoing calls while receiving one, and a DECT > system would give you that capability. > > Geoff. > My VOIP provider gives me two lines although I don't need them. The manual for my ATA doesn't seem to say what protocol it uses. Maybe the protocol depends on the firmware. I see SIP came from the IP community, and most other VOIP protocols came from the telecommunications community. I see a SIP phone is connected between the router and the computer, like my ATA. Why would it, but not my ATA, let me pull up my modem with Safari?
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| From | "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-05 04:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlchopk.t1n.gsm@cable.mendelson.com> |
| In reply to | #54342 |
J Burns wrote: >> > My VOIP provider gives me two lines although I don't need them. > The manual for my ATA doesn't seem to say what protocol it uses. Maybe > the protocol depends on the firmware. > > I see SIP came from the IP community, and most other VOIP protocols came > from the telecommunications community. There is a 99% chance it is SIP. That's the standard used in VoIP. Asterisk systems can use a protocol called IAX between them, but it's not something you see in an ATA very often. > > I see a SIP phone is connected between the router and the computer, like > my ATA. Why would it, but not my ATA, let me pull up my modem with Safari? To use a SIP phone, you would get a small hub and "split" the ethernet connection. Some SIP phones have built in hubs, so that when you added your phone, you did not have to run a second ethernet cable. For example, I have several 2000 vintage Cisco "IP phones" that have it. I don't use them (the internal hub). If you did use the internal hub, the SIP phone would use 1 IP address and pass data through it to your computer. It would NOT intercept it like the ATA. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-05 01:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <laau56$qjf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54346 |
On 1/4/14, 11:49 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > J Burns wrote: >>> >> My VOIP provider gives me two lines although I don't need them. > >> The manual for my ATA doesn't seem to say what protocol it uses. Maybe >> the protocol depends on the firmware. >> >> I see SIP came from the IP community, and most other VOIP protocols came >> from the telecommunications community. > > > There is a 99% chance it is SIP. That's the standard used in VoIP. > > Asterisk systems can use a protocol called IAX between them, but it's > not something you see in an ATA very often. I went to VOIPO's site. Under "Advanced Features," it says every account has a SIP address by default, and every outgoing call can be routed by a SIP address. > >> >> I see a SIP phone is connected between the router and the computer, like >> my ATA. Why would it, but not my ATA, let me pull up my modem with Safari? > > To use a SIP phone, you would get a small hub and "split" the ethernet > connection. > > Some SIP phones have built in hubs, so that when you added your phone, you > did not have to run a second ethernet cable. For example, I have several > 2000 vintage Cisco "IP phones" that have it. I don't use them (the internal > hub). > > If you did use the internal hub, the SIP phone would use 1 IP address and > pass data through it to your computer. It would NOT intercept it like the ATA. > > Geoff. > > I don't often want to check my modem with Safari. I guess I'll just bypass the ATA on those occasions.
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