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  Mac refuses to sleep J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-06-15 12:48 -0400
    Re: Mac refuses to sleep nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-15 13:12 -0400
    Re: Mac refuses to sleep JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-15 15:48 -0400
      Re: Mac refuses to sleep J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-06-15 21:32 -0400
        Re: Mac refuses to sleep Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-06-16 14:32 -0700
          Re: Mac refuses to sleep nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-16 17:40 -0400
          Re: Mac refuses to sleep J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-06-17 21:24 -0400
            Re: Mac refuses to sleep nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-17 21:32 -0400
    Re: Mac refuses to sleep "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-06-16 00:38 +0000
      Re: Mac refuses to sleep J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-06-15 21:22 -0400

#117244 — Mac refuses to sleep

For two years, my 2012 Mini has sometimes waked back up within 10 
seconds after I chose Sleep under the apple menu. Sometimes it would do 
it a second time. I've never found anything in the system log that might 
explain it to me.

Today it did it four times in a row with unusually short delays, maybe 1 
second. Finding no note about waking in the system log, I got frustrated 
and restarted.

What could cause the problem?

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#117245

In article <pg0qki$hkb$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns@nospam.com>
wrote:

> For two years, my 2012 Mini has sometimes waked back up within 10 
> seconds after I chose Sleep under the apple menu. Sometimes it would do 
> it a second time. I've never found anything in the system log that might 
> explain it to me.
> 
> Today it did it four times in a row with unusually short delays, maybe 1 
> second. Finding no note about waking in the system log, I got frustrated 
> and restarted.
> 
> What could cause the problem?

what external devices do you have connected, in particular, usb?

<http://osxdaily.com/2010/07/17/why-mac-wakes-from-sleep/>

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#117246

On 2018-06-15 12:48, J Burns wrote:
> For two years, my 2012 Mini has sometimes waked back up within 10 
> seconds after I chose Sleep under the apple menu.


I believe some apps like video, audio streaming apps prevent the machine
from going to sleep.  When you force machine to go to sleep, their
backrgound processing would cause it to come back up.

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#117249

On 6/15/18 3:48 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2018-06-15 12:48, J Burns wrote:
>> For two years, my 2012 Mini has sometimes waked back up within 10
>> seconds after I chose Sleep under the apple menu.
> 
> 
> I believe some apps like video, audio streaming apps prevent the machine
> from going to sleep.  When you force machine to go to sleep, their
> backrgound processing would cause it to come back up.
> 
> 

I had suspected that, but when I restarted today and logged back in, I 
watched for the CPU use to slow to an idle, then told it to sleep. It 
woke right back up.

I hadn't had trouble in days or weeks until I updated to 10.13.5 a few 
days ago. When I came in and found the process complete, I told it to 
sleep and it woke right back up.

In the last couple of years, I've seen a lot of log entries about 
IMRemotURLConnectionAgent and ASL Sender Statistics. I wonder if they're 
overruling my sleep commands.

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#117252

On 15-Jun-2018, J Burns wrote
(in article <pg1pbq$8bo$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 6/15/18 3:48 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> > On 2018-06-15 12:48, J Burns wrote:
> > > For two years, my 2012 Mini has sometimes waked back up within 10
> > > seconds after I chose Sleep under the apple menu.
> >
> >
> > I believe some apps like video, audio streaming apps prevent the machine
> > from going to sleep. When you force machine to go to sleep, their
> > backrgound processing would cause it to come back up.
>
> I had suspected that, but when I restarted today and logged back in, I
> watched for the CPU use to slow to an idle, then told it to sleep. It
> woke right back up.
>
> I hadn't had trouble in days or weeks until I updated to 10.13.5 a few
> days ago. When I came in and found the process complete, I told it to
> sleep and it woke right back up.
>
> In the last couple of years, I've seen a lot of log entries about
> IMRemotURLConnectionAgent and ASL Sender Statistics. I wonder if they're
> overruling my sleep commands.

It's probably easier to try removing hardware to the bare minimum and seeing 
if it will boot then. Wired Keyboard and Mouse shouldn't do anything wierd 
unless the USB port they're plugged into is dying. If you're using any sort 
of USB hub, remove that and try sleeping.

Try creating a regular user account, login, and see if it will sleep without 
any of the login items. If not, maybe its something that's run in 
/Library/Launch{Agents,Daemons}.

Try booting in SAFE mode (with SHIFT pressed). Login to your user account and 
see if you can sleep. If not, then maybe there's something in your login 
items. Log out and login again with SHIFT pressed to skip them.

If there's still a problem, maybe there's something in your 
/System/Library/Extensions that's interfering. That's off-limits without SIP 
disabled, but there might be cruft from a upgrade.

Somewhere along the line, sleep will start working. If not, take it to Apple 
and have a Genius Bar person check it out.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee...

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#117253

In article <0001HW.20D5B98901D91B721537602CF@news.individual.net>,
Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:

> 
> It's probably easier to try removing hardware to the bare minimum and seeing 
> if it will boot then. Wired Keyboard and Mouse shouldn't do anything wierd 
> unless the USB port they're plugged into is dying. If you're using any sort 
> of USB hub, remove that and try sleeping.

there are wired mice that send non-stop usb activity which will prevent
sleep.

i had one once.

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#117287

On 6/16/18 5:32 PM, Percival John Hackworth wrote:
> On 15-Jun-2018, J Burns wrote
> (in article <pg1pbq$8bo$1@dont-email.me>):
> 
>> On 6/15/18 3:48 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-15 12:48, J Burns wrote:
>>>> For two years, my 2012 Mini has sometimes waked back up within 10
>>>> seconds after I chose Sleep under the apple menu.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe some apps like video, audio streaming apps prevent the machine
>>> from going to sleep. When you force machine to go to sleep, their
>>> backrgound processing would cause it to come back up.
>>
>> I had suspected that, but when I restarted today and logged back in, I
>> watched for the CPU use to slow to an idle, then told it to sleep. It
>> woke right back up.
>>
>> I hadn't had trouble in days or weeks until I updated to 10.13.5 a few
>> days ago. When I came in and found the process complete, I told it to
>> sleep and it woke right back up.
>>
>> In the last couple of years, I've seen a lot of log entries about
>> IMRemotURLConnectionAgent and ASL Sender Statistics. I wonder if they're
>> overruling my sleep commands.
> 
> It's probably easier to try removing hardware to the bare minimum and seeing
> if it will boot then. Wired Keyboard and Mouse shouldn't do anything wierd
> unless the USB port they're plugged into is dying. If you're using any sort
> of USB hub, remove that and try sleeping.

As a matter of course, I've changed my USB stuff, including my hub, 
since the problem appeared.
> 
> Try creating a regular user account, login, and see if it will sleep without
> any of the login items. If not, maybe its something that's run in
> /Library/Launch{Agents,Daemons}.
> 
> Try booting in SAFE mode (with SHIFT pressed). Login to your user account and
> see if you can sleep. If not, then maybe there's something in your login
> items. Log out and login again with SHIFT pressed to skip them.

It happens only occasionally. If it worked properly 100 times in Safe 
mode or another account, that wouldn't prove anything.
> 
> If there's still a problem, maybe there's something in your
> /System/Library/Extensions that's interfering. That's off-limits without SIP
> disabled, but there might be cruft from a upgrade.

I have 10 extensions, all for my Samsung USB drive. I had the problem 
before I got the drive.
> 
> Somewhere along the line, sleep will start working. If not, take it to Apple
> and have a Genius Bar person check it out.
> 
I sleep my computer dozens of times each day. It hasn't malfunctioned 
since right after I restarted June 15. It probably wouldn't happen at a 
Genius Bar.

When it malfunctions, I've noted the time and tried to find something in 
the system log. I haven't found it.

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#117288

In article <pg71k7$acs$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns@nospam.com>
wrote:

> It happens only occasionally. If it worked properly 100 times in Safe 
> mode or another account, that wouldn't prove anything.

that's going to make diagnosing it difficult.

> > If there's still a problem, maybe there's something in your
> > /System/Library/Extensions that's interfering. That's off-limits without SIP
> > disabled, but there might be cruft from a upgrade.
> 
> I have 10 extensions, all for my Samsung USB drive. I had the problem 
> before I got the drive.

standard usb drives do not need kernel extensions.

some drives include bundled software, which may install a kext, and
it's almost always crappy software that's not needed and best avoided.

it's very possible that's your problem.

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#117247

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 16:48:17 UTC, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:

> For two years, my 2012 Mini has sometimes waked back up within 10 
> seconds after I chose Sleep under the apple menu. Sometimes it would do 
> it a second time. I've never found anything in the system log that might 
> explain it to me.
> 
> Today it did it four times in a row with unusually short delays, maybe 1 
> second. Finding no note about waking in the system log, I got frustrated 
> and restarted.
> 
> What could cause the problem?

The same thing happens here once in a while.  In my case, the cause 
is that after putting the computer to sleep, in rising from the desk
I inadvertently bump something and make the cursor move.

-- 
John Varela

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#117248

On 6/15/18 8:38 PM, John Varela wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 16:48:17 UTC, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
> 
>> For two years, my 2012 Mini has sometimes waked back up within 10
>> seconds after I chose Sleep under the apple menu. Sometimes it would do
>> it a second time. I've never found anything in the system log that might
>> explain it to me.
>>
>> Today it did it four times in a row with unusually short delays, maybe 1
>> second. Finding no note about waking in the system log, I got frustrated
>> and restarted.
>>
>> What could cause the problem?
> 
> The same thing happens here once in a while.  In my case, the cause
> is that after putting the computer to sleep, in rising from the desk
> I inadvertently bump something and make the cursor move.
> 

That sometimes happened to me when I walked into the room. The system 
log would say a USB event had waked it. Now the log doesn't seem to 
mention waking, whether it's intentional or unintentional.

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