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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

Started byFritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201610.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
First post2016-10-03 15:35 +0000
Last post2016-10-04 14:51 -0500
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  Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201610.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2016-10-03 15:35 +0000
    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-03 16:12 +0000
      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 12:26 -0400
        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 12:36 -0400
          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 12:59 -0400
            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 13:16 -0400
              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Anonymous <nobody@roance.net> - 2016-10-03 17:30 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 15:22 -0700
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 18:38 -0400
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:20 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 22:51 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 23:56 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 20:55 -0700
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:10 -0400
                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-04 10:04 -0700
                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 14:21 -0400
                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 22:14 -0400
                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 23:14 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 16:06 -0700
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:29 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 20:55 -0700
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:12 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-10-04 10:03 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 10:17 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 09:44 -0500
          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 16:08 -0400
            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 16:31 -0400
            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 16:46 -0400
              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 18:26 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 18:38 -0400
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:25 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 21:08 -0700
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:24 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-04 14:22 -0600
                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-05 01:40 -0700
                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 11:05 -0600
                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 16:18 -0400
                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 22:45 +0200
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 16:50 -0400
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 16:53 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:15 -0400
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-06 09:22 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:50 -0400
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:07 +0200
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 17:08 -0400
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:17 +0200
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:22 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:05 -0600
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:07 -0600
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:22 -0600
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:44 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 09:47 -0400
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:08 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-10-06 15:07 +0100
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:08 -0600
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 10:33 -0700
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 16:43 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 16:48 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 14:56 -0700
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:53 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:04 -0700
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:59 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:31 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:43 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-10-07 00:44 +0100
                                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 06:40 -0500
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 19:45 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:12 -0600
                                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:25 -0600
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 19:09 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:18 -0400
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:21 +0200
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:34 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:42 +0200
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:53 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:17 +0200
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 18:26 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:45 +0200
                                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:09 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 15:22 +0200
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:34 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:02 -0400
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:32 +0200
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-05 19:03 -0400
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:30 +0200
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:46 +0200
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:58 +0200
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:54 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 09:57 -0400
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:14 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 16:56 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:24 -0600
                                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:54 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:13 -0600
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 23:49 +0200
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:00 -0700
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-07 00:05 +0200
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:31 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:15 -0600
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-07 00:01 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:28 -0600
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:23 +0200
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2016-10-05 16:40 -0700
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-10-05 20:29 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:02 -0600
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:19 -0600
                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 16:51 -0400
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:04 +0200
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 17:05 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:16 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:16 +0200
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:10 -0600
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:21 -0600
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:27 -0600
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0700
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:00 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:09 -0700
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:36 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:42 -0700
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:20 -0600
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:31 -0600
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 14:43 -0400
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                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 15:35 -0400
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#95301

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-05 17:53 -0400
Message-ID<nt3sno$m9c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95300
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On 2016-10-05 5:42 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:34:56 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
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>> 
>> On 2016-10-05 5:21 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:18:20 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2016-10-05 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing nothing...
>>>>> You need at least 2GB to fire up program without having to
>>>>> swap out.... That is 64 bit version. I guess that for 32
>>>>> bit version you need half of that...
>>>> 
>>>> LOL, a complete lie. I didn't realize you posted to COLA, 
>>>> Senator Kaine.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sure. Lie. Having Win 10 in VM now, it reports 1GB usage with
>>> only task manager open? Does Win 10 lies? Perhaps...
>> 
>> I wasn't referring to the memory usage, I was referring to your
>> belief that it needs at least 2GB to prevent disk swapping. I
>> won't say that Windows 10 doesn't hog memory, but I will say that
>> it is not worse than 7 or 8 were.
> 
> Win 8 takes less then 7 and 10 takes less then 8. Also they
> finally implemented zswap in Win 10.
> 
>> 
>> Linux is seriously king when it comes to using only as much
>> memory or disk space as needed.
> 
> That depends on what you run. eg running KDE with akonadi and
> indexer services will easily take more then 1GB of RAM sitting
> doing nothing...

I was never a fan of KDE so I wouldn't know. I just don't like
interfaces which mimic Windows 95. They made it prettier but let's be
honest, it's Windows 95.

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#95302

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2016-10-06 00:17 +0200
Message-ID<20161006001709.704088e7@maxa-pc.cpe.bvcom.net>
In reply to#95301
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:53:11 -0400
Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

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> 
> On 2016-10-05 5:42 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:34:56 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> >   
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
> >> 
> >> On 2016-10-05 5:21 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:  
> >>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:18:20 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>> On 2016-10-05 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>>>   
> >>>>> And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing nothing...
> >>>>> You need at least 2GB to fire up program without having to
> >>>>> swap out.... That is 64 bit version. I guess that for 32
> >>>>> bit version you need half of that...  
> >>>> 
> >>>> LOL, a complete lie. I didn't realize you posted to COLA, 
> >>>> Senator Kaine.
> >>>>   
> >>> 
> >>> Sure. Lie. Having Win 10 in VM now, it reports 1GB usage with
> >>> only task manager open? Does Win 10 lies? Perhaps...  
> >> 
> >> I wasn't referring to the memory usage, I was referring to your
> >> belief that it needs at least 2GB to prevent disk swapping. I
> >> won't say that Windows 10 doesn't hog memory, but I will say that
> >> it is not worse than 7 or 8 were.  
> > 
> > Win 8 takes less then 7 and 10 takes less then 8. Also they
> > finally implemented zswap in Win 10.
> >   
> >> 
> >> Linux is seriously king when it comes to using only as much
> >> memory or disk space as needed.  
> > 
> > That depends on what you run. eg running KDE with akonadi and
> > indexer services will easily take more then 1GB of RAM sitting
> > doing nothing...  
> 
> I was never a fan of KDE so I wouldn't know. I just don't like
> interfaces which mimic Windows 95. They made it prettier but let's be
> honest, it's Windows 95.
> 
Well you can make KDE looks like anything. Manjaro theme changes KDE
looks, so that seasoned KDE user can't recognize it ;)
But, let's be honest. There is no better GUI then that of Windows 95.
Start menu, task bar and tray icons. What else one needs?
I use Gnome currently which begs for Mac like dock on the bottom so I
combine cairo-dock with it ;)

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#95303

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-05 18:26 -0400
Message-ID<nt3um1$vq8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95302
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On 2016-10-05 6:17 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:53:11 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
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>> 
>> On 2016-10-05 5:42 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:34:56 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> On 2016-10-05 5:21 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:18:20 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2016-10-05 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing
>>>>>>> nothing... You need at least 2GB to fire up program
>>>>>>> without having to swap out.... That is 64 bit version.
>>>>>>> I guess that for 32 bit version you need half of
>>>>>>> that...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LOL, a complete lie. I didn't realize you posted to COLA,
>>>>>>  Senator Kaine.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sure. Lie. Having Win 10 in VM now, it reports 1GB usage
>>>>> with only task manager open? Does Win 10 lies? Perhaps...
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I wasn't referring to the memory usage, I was referring to
>>>> your belief that it needs at least 2GB to prevent disk
>>>> swapping. I won't say that Windows 10 doesn't hog memory, but
>>>> I will say that it is not worse than 7 or 8 were.
>>> 
>>> Win 8 takes less then 7 and 10 takes less then 8. Also they 
>>> finally implemented zswap in Win 10.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Linux is seriously king when it comes to using only as much 
>>>> memory or disk space as needed.
>>> 
>>> That depends on what you run. eg running KDE with akonadi and 
>>> indexer services will easily take more then 1GB of RAM sitting 
>>> doing nothing...
>> 
>> I was never a fan of KDE so I wouldn't know. I just don't like 
>> interfaces which mimic Windows 95. They made it prettier but
>> let's be honest, it's Windows 95.
>> 
> Well you can make KDE looks like anything. Manjaro theme changes
> KDE looks, so that seasoned KDE user can't recognize it ;)

It changes the window decorations and the icons but the interface
itself mostly remains the same.

> But, let's be honest. There is no better GUI then that of Windows
> 95.

Sure there is: Gnome 3. I still think that it is a winner. It's
daring, it imitates no one (except for the dock) and it is incredibly
intuitive after the first day. I miss it in using Windows.

> Start menu, task bar and tray icons. What else one needs? I use
> Gnome currently which begs for Mac like dock on the bottom so I 
> combine cairo-dock with it ;)

I don't see a reason to use a dock with Gnome when it already comes
with its own.

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#95306

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2016-10-06 00:45 +0200
Message-ID<20161006004500.465990ca@maxa-pc.cpe.bvcom.net>
In reply to#95303
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 18:26:23 -0400
Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

> 
> > Start menu, task bar and tray icons. What else one needs? I use
> > Gnome currently which begs for Mac like dock on the bottom so I 
> > combine cairo-dock with it ;)  
> 
> I don't see a reason to use a dock with Gnome when it already comes
> with its own.
> 

Well if you want to quickly navigate windows by mouse dock comes handy.

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#95328

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-06 09:09 -0400
Message-ID<nt5id5$12v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95306
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On 2016-10-05 6:45 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 18:26:23 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Start menu, task bar and tray icons. What else one needs? I
>>> use Gnome currently which begs for Mac like dock on the bottom
>>> so I combine cairo-dock with it ;)
>> 
>> I don't see a reason to use a dock with Gnome when it already
>> comes with its own.
>> 
> 
> Well if you want to quickly navigate windows by mouse dock comes
> handy.

I find that Gnome 3's hot corner is actually a lot faster. I'm a
gigantic fan of what they did with their hot corners to be honest and
am disappointed that Unity doesn't do the same thing.


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#95330

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2016-10-06 15:22 +0200
Message-ID<20161006152208.44525a04@maxa-pc.cpe.bvcom.net>
In reply to#95328
On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 09:09:08 -0400
Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

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> 
> On 2016-10-05 6:45 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 18:26:23 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> >   
> >>   
> >>> Start menu, task bar and tray icons. What else one needs? I
> >>> use Gnome currently which begs for Mac like dock on the bottom
> >>> so I combine cairo-dock with it ;)  
> >> 
> >> I don't see a reason to use a dock with Gnome when it already
> >> comes with its own.
> >>   
> > 
> > Well if you want to quickly navigate windows by mouse dock comes
> > handy.  
> 
> I find that Gnome 3's hot corner is actually a lot faster. I'm a
> gigantic fan of what they did with their hot corners to be honest and
> am disappointed that Unity doesn't do the same thing.
> 
Unity uses compiz, you can define hot corners but it's not obvious.

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#95333

From"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-06 09:34 -0400
Message-ID<nt5jtk$6pj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95328
Silver Slimer wrote:
> I find that Gnome 3's hot corner is actually a lot faster. I'm a
> gigantic fan of what they did with their hot corners to be honest and
> am disappointed that Unity doesn't do the same thing.

Yes it does, it just is disabled by default. Simplest way to enable and
configure is install the Unity Tweak Tool

sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool

launch it and under Windows Manager click Hotcorners, enjoy!

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#95340

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-06 10:02 -0400
Message-ID<nt5lh8$7an$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95333
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On 2016-10-06 9:34 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Silver Slimer wrote:
>> I find that Gnome 3's hot corner is actually a lot faster. I'm a 
>> gigantic fan of what they did with their hot corners to be honest
>> and am disappointed that Unity doesn't do the same thing.
> 
> Yes it does, it just is disabled by default. Simplest way to enable
> and configure is install the Unity Tweak Tool

I meant by default. Clearly, every Linux DE allows you to customize it
if you are looking for a specific feature.

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#95305

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2016-10-06 00:32 +0200
Message-ID<nt3v18$dv$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95302
Melzzzzz wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:53:11 -0400
> Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA256
>> 
>> On 2016-10-05 5:42 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:34:56 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
>> >> 
>> >> On 2016-10-05 5:21 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:18:20 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>   
>> >>>> On 2016-10-05 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >>>>   
>> >>>>> And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing nothing...
>> >>>>> You need at least 2GB to fire up program without having to
>> >>>>> swap out.... That is 64 bit version. I guess that for 32
>> >>>>> bit version you need half of that...
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> LOL, a complete lie. I didn't realize you posted to COLA,
>> >>>> Senator Kaine.
>> >>>>   
>> >>> 
>> >>> Sure. Lie. Having Win 10 in VM now, it reports 1GB usage with
>> >>> only task manager open? Does Win 10 lies? Perhaps...
>> >> 
>> >> I wasn't referring to the memory usage, I was referring to your
>> >> belief that it needs at least 2GB to prevent disk swapping. I
>> >> won't say that Windows 10 doesn't hog memory, but I will say that
>> >> it is not worse than 7 or 8 were.
>> > 
>> > Win 8 takes less then 7 and 10 takes less then 8. Also they
>> > finally implemented zswap in Win 10.
>> >   
>> >> 
>> >> Linux is seriously king when it comes to using only as much
>> >> memory or disk space as needed.
>> > 
>> > That depends on what you run. eg running KDE with akonadi and
>> > indexer services will easily take more then 1GB of RAM sitting
>> > doing nothing...
>> 
>> I was never a fan of KDE so I wouldn't know. I just don't like
>> interfaces which mimic Windows 95. They made it prettier but let's be
>> honest, it's Windows 95.
>> 
> Well you can make KDE looks like anything. Manjaro theme changes KDE
> looks, so that seasoned KDE user can't recognize it ;)
> But, let's be honest. There is no better GUI then that of Windows 95.
> Start menu, task bar and tray icons. What else one needs?

There certainly was a better one: OS/2 Warp

KDE has been quite good at replacing that extremely well done GUI

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#95310

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2016-10-05 19:03 -0400
Message-ID<pFfJz.13349$hF2.7669@fx43.iad>
In reply to#95305
On 2016-10-05 18:32, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
[...]
> There certainly was a better one: OS/2 Warp
[...]

I seriously miss OS/2. IMO IBM seriously misunderstood the PC.

Sigh.

Ok, that's enough nostalgia for today.

-- 
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Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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#95304

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2016-10-06 00:30 +0200
Message-ID<nt3uth$dv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95300
Melzzzzz wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:34:56 -0400
> Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA256
>> 
>> On 2016-10-05 5:21 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:18:20 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> On 2016-10-05 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >>   
>> >>> And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing nothing... You
>> >>> need at least 2GB to fire up program without having to swap
>> >>> out.... That is 64 bit version. I guess that for 32 bit version
>> >>> you need half of that...
>> >> 
>> >> LOL, a complete lie. I didn't realize you posted to COLA,
>> >> Senator Kaine.
>> >>   
>> > 
>> > Sure. Lie. Having Win 10 in VM now, it reports 1GB usage with only
>> > task manager open? Does Win 10 lies? Perhaps...
>> 
>> I wasn't referring to the memory usage, I was referring to your belief
>> that it needs at least 2GB to prevent disk swapping. I won't say that
>> Windows 10 doesn't hog memory, but I will say that it is not worse
>> than 7 or 8 were.
> 
> Win 8 takes less then 7 and 10 takes less then 8. Also they finally
> implemented zswap in Win 10.
> 
>> 
>> Linux is seriously king when it comes to using only as much memory or
>> disk space as needed.
> 
> That depends on what you run. eg running KDE with akonadi and indexer
> services will easily take more then 1GB of RAM sitting doing nothing...
> 

Wrong. The indexer will run once and then only for a few seconds when the FS 
changes enough

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#95307

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2016-10-06 00:46 +0200
Message-ID<20161006004607.3896ab9d@maxa-pc.cpe.bvcom.net>
In reply to#95304
On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 00:30:23 +0200
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Melzzzzz wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:34:56 -0400
> > Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> >   
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> Hash: SHA256
> >> 
> >> On 2016-10-05 5:21 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:  
> >> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:18:20 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> >> >     
> >> >> On 2016-10-05 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >> >>     
> >> >>> And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing nothing... You
> >> >>> need at least 2GB to fire up program without having to swap
> >> >>> out.... That is 64 bit version. I guess that for 32 bit version
> >> >>> you need half of that...  
> >> >> 
> >> >> LOL, a complete lie. I didn't realize you posted to COLA,
> >> >> Senator Kaine.
> >> >>     
> >> > 
> >> > Sure. Lie. Having Win 10 in VM now, it reports 1GB usage with
> >> > only task manager open? Does Win 10 lies? Perhaps...  
> >> 
> >> I wasn't referring to the memory usage, I was referring to your
> >> belief that it needs at least 2GB to prevent disk swapping. I
> >> won't say that Windows 10 doesn't hog memory, but I will say that
> >> it is not worse than 7 or 8 were.  
> > 
> > Win 8 takes less then 7 and 10 takes less then 8. Also they finally
> > implemented zswap in Win 10.
> >   
> >> 
> >> Linux is seriously king when it comes to using only as much memory
> >> or disk space as needed.  
> > 
> > That depends on what you run. eg running KDE with akonadi and
> > indexer services will easily take more then 1GB of RAM sitting
> > doing nothing... 
> 
> Wrong. The indexer will run once and then only for a few seconds when
> the FS changes enough

That is, if you don't have terabytes of data in home dir ;)
I disabled baloo immediately because damn thing is dreadfully slow.

-- 
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#95308

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2016-10-06 00:58 +0200
Message-ID<nt40i4$5cn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95307
Melzzzzz wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 00:30:23 +0200
> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:34:56 -0400
>> > Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> >> Hash: SHA256
>> >> 
>> >> On 2016-10-05 5:21 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:18:20 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>> >> >     
>> >> >> On 2016-10-05 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >> >>     
>> >> >>> And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing nothing... You
>> >> >>> need at least 2GB to fire up program without having to swap
>> >> >>> out.... That is 64 bit version. I guess that for 32 bit version
>> >> >>> you need half of that...
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> LOL, a complete lie. I didn't realize you posted to COLA,
>> >> >> Senator Kaine.
>> >> >>     
>> >> > 
>> >> > Sure. Lie. Having Win 10 in VM now, it reports 1GB usage with
>> >> > only task manager open? Does Win 10 lies? Perhaps...
>> >> 
>> >> I wasn't referring to the memory usage, I was referring to your
>> >> belief that it needs at least 2GB to prevent disk swapping. I
>> >> won't say that Windows 10 doesn't hog memory, but I will say that
>> >> it is not worse than 7 or 8 were.
>> > 
>> > Win 8 takes less then 7 and 10 takes less then 8. Also they finally
>> > implemented zswap in Win 10.
>> >   
>> >> 
>> >> Linux is seriously king when it comes to using only as much memory
>> >> or disk space as needed.
>> > 
>> > That depends on what you run. eg running KDE with akonadi and
>> > indexer services will easily take more then 1GB of RAM sitting
>> > doing nothing...
>> 
>> Wrong. The indexer will run once and then only for a few seconds when
>> the FS changes enough
> 
> That is, if you don't have terabytes of data in home dir ;)

Well, who has

> I disabled baloo immediately because damn thing is dreadfully slow.
> 

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#95320

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Message-ID<051020162248438919%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#95295
In article <nt3qmc$ers$3@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

> 
> Like I said before, it has already been resolved with forced updates.
> The remaining problem is that after updating, Windows keeps the update
> files on the hard disk for God knows what reason.

that's to be able to undo the update in case there are any problems,
which is a very good idea and since disk space is cheap, who cares, and
it eventually auto-deletes anyway (i think it's 10 days).

> The more they
> accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.

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#95338

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-06 09:54 -0400
Message-ID<nt5l28$7an$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95320
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Hash: SHA256

On 2016-10-05 10:48 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt3qmc$ers$3@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Like I said before, it has already been resolved with forced
>> updates. The remaining problem is that after updating, Windows
>> keeps the update files on the hard disk for God knows what
>> reason.
> 
> that's to be able to undo the update in case there are any
> problems, which is a very good idea and since disk space is cheap,
> who cares, and it eventually auto-deletes anyway (i think it's 10
> days).
> 
>> The more they accumulate, the slower the computer gets.
> 
> nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.

Theoretically, that's true. That's why I refused to believe it when
people told me that back in the early 2000s. However, in my own
experience, deleting those files indeed declogs the system and
increases performance. If you have a Windows machine, I would suggest
that you _not_ delete those files for a year and then delete them once
365 days have passed. Do nothing else; don't clean the registry or
defragment. If the performance improves, you'll know I'm correct.

Like I said, I didn't believe it either but that's actually what
happens and was the case even on Win 9x machines.

- -- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.AI: @silverslimer
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#95339

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-06 09:57 -0400
Message-ID<061020160957075051%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#95338
In article <nt5l28$7an$8@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

> >> Like I said before, it has already been resolved with forced
> >> updates. The remaining problem is that after updating, Windows
> >> keeps the update files on the hard disk for God knows what
> >> reason.
> > 
> > that's to be able to undo the update in case there are any
> > problems, which is a very good idea and since disk space is cheap,
> > who cares, and it eventually auto-deletes anyway (i think it's 10
> > days).
> > 
> >> The more they accumulate, the slower the computer gets.
> > 
> > nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.
> 
> Theoretically, that's true.

not just theoretically, but in reality.

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#95344

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-06 10:14 -0400
Message-ID<nt5m76$fac$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95339
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On 2016-10-06 9:57 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt5l28$7an$8@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> Like I said before, it has already been resolved with forced 
>>>> updates. The remaining problem is that after updating,
>>>> Windows keeps the update files on the hard disk for God knows
>>>> what reason.
>>> 
>>> that's to be able to undo the update in case there are any 
>>> problems, which is a very good idea and since disk space is
>>> cheap, who cares, and it eventually auto-deletes anyway (i
>>> think it's 10 days).
>>> 
>>>> The more they accumulate, the slower the computer gets.
>>> 
>>> nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect
>>> speed.
>> 
>> Theoretically, that's true.
> 
> not just theoretically, but in reality.

<http://www.theeldergeek.com/disk_cleanup_utility.htm>

"To keep a PC running smoothly, regular maintenance is critical. Many
users shy away from maintenance tasks, thinking it is a long, drawn
out manual affair, but the Disk Cleanup Utility can easily determine
which files on a hard drive may no longer be needed and delete those
files. In addition to freeing up potentially significant amounts of
hard drive space, using Disk Cleanup on a regular basis can
significantly improve system performance."

<http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/144411-Disk-cleanup-and
- -performance-improvements>

"Clearly there has been an increase in performance observed, but why?
What is is about the removal of log files, setup files, temporary
internet files, etc that makes the system run faster?"

The only nonsense here is whatever _you_ post.

- -- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.AI: @silverslimer
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#95355

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
Message-ID<061020161533004141%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#95344
In article <nt5m76$fac$1@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

> >>> 
> >>>> The more they accumulate, the slower the computer gets.
> >>> 
> >>> nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect
> >>> speed.
> >> 
> >> Theoretically, that's true.
> > 
> > not just theoretically, but in reality.
> 
> <http://www.theeldergeek.com/disk_cleanup_utility.htm>
> 
> "To keep a PC running smoothly, regular maintenance is critical. Many
> users shy away from maintenance tasks, thinking it is a long, drawn
> out manual affair, but the Disk Cleanup Utility can easily determine
> which files on a hard drive may no longer be needed and delete those
> files. In addition to freeing up potentially significant amounts of
> hard drive space, using Disk Cleanup on a regular basis can
> significantly improve system performance."

don't believe everything you read.

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#95371

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-06 16:56 -0400
Message-ID<nt6dpt$apl$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95355
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On 2016-10-06 3:33 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt5m76$fac$1@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
> wrote:
> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The more they accumulate, the slower the computer gets.
>>>>> 
>>>>> nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect 
>>>>> speed.
>>>> 
>>>> Theoretically, that's true.
>>> 
>>> not just theoretically, but in reality.
>> 
>> <http://www.theeldergeek.com/disk_cleanup_utility.htm>
>> 
>> "To keep a PC running smoothly, regular maintenance is critical.
>> Many users shy away from maintenance tasks, thinking it is a
>> long, drawn out manual affair, but the Disk Cleanup Utility can
>> easily determine which files on a hard drive may no longer be
>> needed and delete those files. In addition to freeing up
>> potentially significant amounts of hard drive space, using Disk
>> Cleanup on a regular basis can significantly improve system
>> performance."
> 
> don't believe everything you read.

Which is why I'm joyfully disregarding everything you write.

- -- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.AI: @silverslimer
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#95378

FromGreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
Date2016-10-06 16:24 -0600
Message-ID<nt6iup$ufh$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95371
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On 10/06/2016 02:56 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
> On 2016-10-06 3:33 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <nt5m76$fac$1@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer
>> <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The more they accumulate, the slower the computer
>>>>>>> gets.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect
>>>>>>  speed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Theoretically, that's true.
>>>> 
>>>> not just theoretically, but in reality.
>>> 
>>> <http://www.theeldergeek.com/disk_cleanup_utility.htm>
>>> 
>>> "To keep a PC running smoothly, regular maintenance is
>>> critical. Many users shy away from maintenance tasks, thinking
>>> it is a long, drawn out manual affair, but the Disk Cleanup
>>> Utility can easily determine which files on a hard drive may no
>>> longer be needed and delete those files. In addition to freeing
>>> up potentially significant amounts of hard drive space, using
>>> Disk Cleanup on a regular basis can significantly improve
>>> system performance."
> 
>> don't believe everything you read.
> 
> Which is why I'm joyfully disregarding everything you write.
> 
> 

Do you think that this may be snit?  It's starting to look like it,
fanboi stuff and all.
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