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Backup Question

Started byOtto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com>
First post2015-03-25 17:03 -0700
Last post2015-03-26 17:01 +0000
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  Backup Question Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2015-03-25 17:03 -0700
    Re: Backup Question Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-25 21:13 -0400
      Re: Backup Question Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2015-03-25 19:15 -0700
        Re: Backup Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-25 23:07 -0400
      Re: Backup Question M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-03-26 00:07 -0400
        Re: Backup Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 00:10 -0400
      Re: Backup Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-03-26 14:02 +0000
        Re: Backup Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-26 14:28 +0000
          Re: Backup Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 11:02 -0400
            Re: Backup Question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-26 11:11 -0400
            Re: Backup Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-26 15:37 +0000
              Re: Backup Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 11:57 -0400
                Re: Backup Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-26 17:01 +0000
                  Re: Backup Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 13:32 -0400
                    Re: Backup Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-26 17:47 +0000
      Re: Backup Question Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2015-03-26 18:14 -0400
        Re: Backup Question Király <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 15:57 -0700
          Re: Backup Question Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2015-03-27 17:16 -0700
            Re: Backup Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 01:51 +0000
              Re: Backup Question Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2015-03-27 20:23 -0700
      Re: Backup Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-28 01:40 +0000
    Re: Backup Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-26 04:03 +0000
      Re: Backup Question Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2015-03-25 21:12 -0700
    Re: Backup Question billy@MIX.COM - 2015-03-26 17:01 +0000

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#72186

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-03-28 01:40 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmhc1lr.17ka.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#72084
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Davoud <star@sky.net> was all, like:
> If you are relying on TimeMachine you have only your files backed
> up. In the event of a HD failure you must reinstall all of your
> software,

Not true.

> re-do all of your settings/preferences,

Not true.

> and then bring back your files.

They are brought back as part of the restore, along with apps and settings.

> That would be at least two days of hands-on work for one of
> my Macs.

Nope, that's not accurate at all.


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#72092

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-03-26 04:03 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmh719l.9nl.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#72083
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> was all, like:
> Do I have this correct? 

> CCC makes an exact clone of your entire drive (bootable if you want)
> and then every time after that if you run CCC, it will only backup what
> is new by replacing the file/app/document with a new copy.

For certain values of "exact clone" yes, that is true, depending on the
settings you chose. CCC can keep differential backups to some extent.

> TM, on the other hand, makes incremental backups of what ever
> file/app/document so that you will have multiple copies of the same
> file with increasing "newness".

Yes, though for many files TM stores the changes, and not entirely new
copies of the changed file (Pages docs, for example).

> Advantages/disadvantages of both and can you have both on the same
> physical drive and still be able to use both without messing up either
> one?

I would never combine backups onto a single drive.

HD space is extremely cheap. Absurdly cheap.

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#72096

FromOtto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com>
Date2015-03-25 21:12 -0700
Message-ID<250320152112194332%otto@bogus.address.com>
In reply to#72092
In article <slrnmh719l.9nl.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> was all,
> like:
> > Do I have this correct? 
> 
> > CCC makes an exact clone of your entire drive (bootable if you want)
> > and then every time after that if you run CCC, it will only backup what
> > is new by replacing the file/app/document with a new copy.
> 
> For certain values of "exact clone" yes, that is true, depending on the
> settings you chose. CCC can keep differential backups to some extent.
> 
> > TM, on the other hand, makes incremental backups of what ever
> > file/app/document so that you will have multiple copies of the same
> > file with increasing "newness".
> 
> Yes, though for many files TM stores the changes, and not entirely new
> copies of the changed file (Pages docs, for example).
> 
> > Advantages/disadvantages of both and can you have both on the same
> > physical drive and still be able to use both without messing up either
> > one?
> 
> I would never combine backups onto a single drive.
> 
> HD space is extremely cheap. Absurdly cheap.

Thanks for the comments on not putting both on a single drive. Makes a
lot of sense.

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#72123

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2015-03-26 17:01 +0000
Message-ID<mf1e0v$lds$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#72083
Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes:

> CCC makes an exact clone of your entire drive (bootable if you want)
> and then every time after that if you run CCC, it will only backup what
> is new by replacing the file/app/document with a new copy.

It can also be set to archive the old (including deleted) files.

Billy Y..
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