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| Started by | billy@MIX.COM |
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| First post | 2014-06-03 16:01 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-06-10 20:02 +0000 |
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Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 16:01 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-03 17:00 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 19:12 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-04 18:10 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 04:25 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 17:31 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 05:37 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-04 19:01 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 07:21 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 17:26 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 06:04 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-05 23:13 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-06 14:26 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:26 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-11 09:25 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-05 08:38 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-04 21:33 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 03:50 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 18:40 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 14:13 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 15:32 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:01 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 09:31 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-05 18:40 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:06 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 18:37 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 18:59 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 02:16 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-05 22:56 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 03:20 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-05 23:53 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-06 08:19 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 08:45 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-06-06 15:10 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 05:44 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 17:58 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 08:36 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 09:00 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:04 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 09:23 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 17:47 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:09 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:16 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:22 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-05 14:30 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 18:45 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-05 21:57 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 18:43 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:06 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-05 23:46 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 23:35 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 09:03 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 04:55 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-06 13:07 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-06 08:23 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-06 23:31 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 15:40 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 04:45 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:48 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 15:00 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:46 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 08:40 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam@ab-katrinedal.dk (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2014-06-06 18:04 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 09:20 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 16:01 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:30 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:33 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:52 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam@ab-katrinedal.dk (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2014-06-07 10:46 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-07 10:02 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:15 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-06 19:30 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:04 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 05:55 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:28 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 15:58 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 16:47 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 16:49 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:38 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-06-18 22:40 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:25 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:27 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 02:13 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 16:47 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-06 19:02 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 20:24 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 01:57 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 18:36 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 02:42 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:50 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 02:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-07 12:47 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 17:49 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:19 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-08 22:44 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:03 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 09:18 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 16:39 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 18:56 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 21:16 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:44 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 18:25 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 22:12 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:46 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-09 09:08 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-09 00:15 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-09 10:42 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 05:36 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-09 04:17 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:19 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:35 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:39 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:44 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 12:30 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:32 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-10 11:04 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:06 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 00:43 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:00 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-07 06:36 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 23:40 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-07 22:02 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-08 17:38 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-08 18:03 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 08:12 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 14:50 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 09:03 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 15:24 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 13:47 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 08:05 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:54 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 00:44 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:05 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 21:33 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:01 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:18 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:44 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:57 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:42 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 10:01 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 16:47 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-09 03:25 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:20 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-08 20:46 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:17 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 09:32 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-12 20:24 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-12 18:33 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:06 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 17:56 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-16 16:31 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-17 19:00 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-18 06:57 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-09 08:48 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 19:58 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:27 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 02:38 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:14 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-07-14 07:25 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-07-14 21:11 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-08-05 08:20 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 19:39 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 19:35 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:40 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:11 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 18:17 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:43 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:01 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-08 14:53 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 06:58 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-08 19:20 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 17:18 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 18:52 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 06:30 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 13:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-08 11:20 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 22:00 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:36 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 15:31 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 16:32 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:02 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:17 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-11 02:01 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-11 16:10 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 22:35 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-12 01:10 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-12 07:15 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-12 17:41 -0400
Unmasking A Complete, Total Dickwad (was: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 04:17 +0000
Re: Unmasking A Complete, Total Dickwad (was: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-16 14:42 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 04:28 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 09:43 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 14:00 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:35 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 17:50 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:22 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 22:44 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 12:37 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:58 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:16 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:40 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:54 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:40 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:28 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:24 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-09 10:10 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 08:19 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:55 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 18:01 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:08 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 16:31 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-12 05:52 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 16:45 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 13:35 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-13 18:00 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 21:57 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 08:51 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 11:51 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 00:00 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 14:10 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 09:49 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 00:28 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:38 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-15 14:51 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 05:34 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 04:23 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-16 17:19 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 23:36 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 07:42 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:30 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-14 14:57 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-14 17:40 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 18:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 21:34 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 21:52 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:03 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 19:15 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 05:40 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 23:18 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-13 21:06 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 17:50 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 19:06 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-14 17:39 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 18:36 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 18:57 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-16 15:08 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-16 16:48 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-16 16:55 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-17 16:03 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 17:14 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-17 07:53 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-17 16:10 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 12:25 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:11 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:33 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:36 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:10 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 02:33 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 17:15 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:27 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 17:49 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:21 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:25 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:33 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 21:51 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:16 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:25 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-08 20:31 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 09:50 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 07:29 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:52 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:21 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 17:44 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:48 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 18:55 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:43 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:14 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:14 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:11 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 19:50 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:02 +0000
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-03 16:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal |
| Message-ID | <lmkrg0$o4h$3@reader2.panix.com> |
In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because
> it sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply.
Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today.
Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling
excessively long subjects. And references.
Billy Y..
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| From | Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-03 17:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lmkuv0$4e9$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60011 |
For your reference, records indicate that billy@MIX.COM wrote: > Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today. That’s why a “from scratch” client seems the best way to go. Cocoa has had all that for free since I can remember. The secondary issue is passing things around to other systems that *don’t* have good Unicode support. > Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling > excessively long subjects. And references. Well, I don’t think I have any of those problems, but I’m sure you’ll let me know if I do. :-) -- This post is temporarily .sig-less
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-03 19:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lml6mf$7t8$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #60022 |
Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote,
quoting me:
> > Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today.
> The secondary issue is passing things around to other systems
> that *don't* have good Unicode support.
All one can do is declare the content-type (hint: you still are
not doing that in your own messages, even though you're using a
non-ASCII charset) and let things fall where they may.
> > Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling
> > excessively long subjects. And references.
> Well, I don't think I have any of those problems, but I'm sure you'll
> let me know if I do. :-)
You can count on it. Heh.
For the moment, though, in addition to the above, you need to drop this -
| Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system
^
|
The space will cause some servers to silently toss your messages.
And probably will for many years to come... I also don't buy the
argument that it supports continuation lines, because no one should
ever be posting the same thing to that many groups (more than can
be contained on one 1022 byte line).
Billy Y..
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-06-04 18:10 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lmqa29.k4rshchnvytzN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #60011 |
<billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because > > it sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply. > > Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today. > > Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling > excessively long subjects. And references. > > Billy Y.. Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99% of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-04 15:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bv8t0jF6emdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60109 |
On 2014-06-04, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: ><billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > >> In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> > Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because >> > it sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply. >> >> Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today. >> >> Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling >> excessively long subjects. And references. >> >> Billy Y.. > > Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet > users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99% > of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII. I wouldn't call it irrelevant, but a nice-to-have. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 04:25 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lmr2i6.m4oxs69oehu8N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #60129 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-06-04, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > ><billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > > > >> In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because > >> > it sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply. > >> > >> Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today. > >> > >> Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling > >> excessively long subjects. And references. > >> > >> Billy Y.. > > > > Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet > > users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99% > > of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII. > > I wouldn't call it irrelevant, but a nice-to-have. *shrug* I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? Still, Billy calling it the "biggest problem in newsreaders today" strikes me as absurd. We all have our own favoured features and bugbears, but put in rational context, it's hard to see Unicode as any more than - as JR puts it - a "nice-to-have". -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-04 17:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bv93fnF7rhtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60147 |
On 2014-06-04, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2014-06-04, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: >> ><billy@MIX.COM> wrote: >> > >> >> In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because >> >> > it sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply. >> >> >> >> Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today. >> >> >> >> Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling >> >> excessively long subjects. And references. >> >> >> >> Billy Y.. >> > >> > Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet >> > users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99% >> > of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII. >> >> I wouldn't call it irrelevant, but a nice-to-have. > > *shrug* I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to > express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? Still, Billy calling > it the "biggest problem in newsreaders today" strikes me as absurd. We > all have our own favoured features and bugbears, but put in rational > context, it's hard to see Unicode as any more than - as JR puts it - a > "nice-to-have". For most Usenet use cases, yes. For other unrelated use cases, Unicode is extremely important. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 05:37 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lmr69a.msulj3321bv2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #60154 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-06-04, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> On 2014-06-04, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > >> ><billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > >> > > >> >> In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because > >> >> > it sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply. > >> >> > >> >> Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today. > >> >> > >> >> Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling > >> >> excessively long subjects. And references. > >> >> > >> >> Billy Y.. > >> > > >> > Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet > >> > users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99% > >> > of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII. > >> > >> I wouldn't call it irrelevant, but a nice-to-have. > > > > *shrug* I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to > > express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? Still, Billy calling > > it the "biggest problem in newsreaders today" strikes me as absurd. We > > all have our own favoured features and bugbears, but put in rational > > context, it's hard to see Unicode as any more than - as JR puts it - a > > "nice-to-have". > > For most Usenet use cases, yes. For other unrelated use cases, Unicode > is extremely important. Absolutely. I can't imagine using a GUI text editor without full Unicode support nowadays, for example! -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-04 19:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lmnqde$7n4$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #60147 |
Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote about Unicode:
> I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to
> express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it?
What about everyone else?
Billy Y..
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 07:21 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lmraqs.key4081eopk7gN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #60164 |
<billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote about Unicode: > > > I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to > > express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? > > What about everyone else? > > Billy Y.. Ask that without using the ASCII charset and I'll take notice. In my nearly two decades in Usenet I've yet to see any Endlish language post that relied so heavily on the extended charset, I couldn't understand it just fine with a few ?'s scattered in-between the ASCII chars. But hey - it's obviously a super pressing issue for you, so I wish you well :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 17:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lmq97i$tae$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60166 |
For your reference, records indicate that jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > > > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote about Unicode: > > > > > I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to > > > express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? > > > > What about everyone else? > > > > Billy Y.. > > Ask that without using the ASCII charset and I'll take notice. > > In my nearly two decades in Usenet I've yet to see any Endlish language > post that relied so heavily on the extended charset, I couldn't > understand it just fine with a few ?'s scattered in-between the ASCII > chars. I’m going to take Billy’s side on this issue. That is, it is more likely the case that you’re only seeing ASCII because most clients only had limited support for anything else. On other messaging systems, use of things like Emoji is widespread. And, sure, you can get by with describing a key command as shift-command-D, but wouldn’t it also be nice to be able to say ⇧⌘D? Usenet has a lot of baggage, and it needs every kick in the pants it can get to drag it kicking and screaming into the 21st century. -- This post is temporarily .sig-less
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 06:04 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lmt1tn.152rcwdpa6di9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #60252 |
Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > > > > > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote about Unicode: > > > > > > > I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to > > > > express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? > > > > > > What about everyone else? > > > > > > Billy Y.. > > > > Ask that without using the ASCII charset and I'll take notice. > > > > In my nearly two decades in Usenet I've yet to see any Endlish language > > post that relied so heavily on the extended charset, I couldn't > > understand it just fine with a few ?'s scattered in-between the ASCII > > chars. > > I'm going to take Billy's side on this issue. That is, it is more likely > the case that you're only seeing ASCII because most clients only had limited > support for anything else. On other messaging systems, use of things like > Emoji is widespread. And, sure, you can get by with describing a key command > as shift-command-D, but wouldn't it also be nice to be able to say ??D? > Usenet has a lot of baggage, and it needs every kick in the pants it can get > to drag it kicking and screaming into the 21st century. To reiterate: I'm not against full uniform Unicode support. I simply see far, far more pressing concerns. Obviously it would be silly to write a new client without decent Unicode support in 2014. But do I _really care_ about full Unicode support, vs MacSOUP's wholly adequate partial support? Nope, not in the least, compared to having a MacSOUP-like client with filtering on any header or the body, a built in spellchecker, attachment support, HTML email (but NOT Usenet) support, secure POP email, etc, etc. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 23:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lmqthu$5jm$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #60260 |
Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> To reiterate: I'm not against full uniform Unicode support. I simply see
> far, far more pressing concerns. [...]
> a built in spellchecker
What don't you like about the one Apple (I believe..) provide?
> attachment support
Use a link to point to your attachment.
> HTML email (but NOT Usenet) support
Invoke your prefered email user agent.
> secure POP email
Ditto.
> etc, etc.
That's it..?
Billy Y..
--
sub #'9+1 ,r0 ; convert ascii byte
add #9.+1 ,r0 ; to an integer
bcc 20$ ; not a number
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 14:26 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lmtjwo.x5fl0o1hglvgrN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #60298 |
<billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > To reiterate: I'm not against full uniform Unicode support. I simply see > > far, far more pressing concerns. [...] > > > a built in spellchecker > > What don't you like about the one Apple (I believe..) provide? That is only available in Cocoa apps, and MacSOUP isn't one. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lmumqx.wxwl63q6zm9bN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #60298 |
<billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > To reiterate: I'm not against full uniform Unicode support. I simply see > > far, far more pressing concerns. [...] > > > a built in spellchecker > > What don't you like about the one Apple (I believe..) provide? Nothing, it works fine in apps that support it, which isn't MacSOUP. > > attachment support > > Use a link to point to your attachment. Sure, but that's not the point when faced with a message that already has a file attached. Sure I can - and used to - work around it, by saving the message as a text file, and then opening it with a decoder app. But nowadays I'm not quite dedicated enough to do so. Plus with MacSOUP's lack of HTML support, I ignore it's email client for anything but Usenet posts I forward or reply to via email, and I also ignore Usenet binary groups nowadays. > > HTML email (but NOT Usenet) support > > Invoke your prefered email user agent. I prefer MacSOUP which is a dream to read threaded plain text only conversations with, but it lacks attachment and HTML support. So I use Apple Mail and Gmail web and mobile clients. What is your point? > > secure POP email > > Ditto. Ditto as to wondering what your point is? > > etc, etc. > > That's it..? > > Billy Y.. What else were you expecting? -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-10 20:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <f8vj6b-6pb.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #60164 |
On 2014-06-04, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote about Unicode: > >> I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to >> express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? > > What about everyone else? It is so so much a matter of expressing yourself in a limited character set as being able to quote portions of text from websites which contain UTF-8 characters outside the ASCII subset. But yes, I'd like accented character support and the occasional mathematical symbol as well. -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2014-06-11 09:25 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1ln2inl.rxyhbi1kaqyqsN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #60697 |
Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2014-06-04, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote about Unicode: > > > >> I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to > >> express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? > > > > What about everyone else? > > It is so so much a matter of expressing yourself in a limited character > set as being able to quote portions of text from websites which contain > UTF-8 characters outside the ASCII subset. > > But yes, I'd like accented character support and the occasional mathematical > symbol as well. So would I. It's just far from the most pressing issue. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 08:38 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-0F1FEE.08382705062014@aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #60147 |
In article <1lmr2i6.m4oxs69oehu8N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > *shrug* I just personally can't think of many times I've failed to > express myself in ASCII. Maybe I'm just used to it? Still, Billy calling > it the "biggest problem in newsreaders today" strikes me as absurd. We > all have our own favoured features and bugbears, but put in rational > context, it's hard to see Unicode as any more than - as JR puts it - a > "nice-to-have". It is *more* than nice to have when one poster (like the OP) uses so many characters that appear badly on MT-NW. -- dorayme
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-04 21:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kMydndU0vvqeVBLOnZ2dnUVZ_twAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #60109 |
On 2014.06.04, 02:10 , Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > >> In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because >>> it sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply. >> >> Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today. >> >> Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling >> excessively long subjects. And references. >> >> Billy Y.. > > Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet > users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99% > of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII. Heartily agree. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 03:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlovq8q.pgi.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #60109 |
In message <1lmqa29.k4rshchnvytzN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: >> In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> > Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because >> > it sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply. >> >> Unicode handling is the biggest problem in newsreaders today. >> >> Next is insufficient (static) buffer space, along with handling >> excessively long subjects. And references. >> >> Billy Y.. > Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet > users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99% > of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII. Complete and utter bullshit. -- The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
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