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Latest OS X

Started byDavid Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com>
First post2014-01-15 11:30 -0800
Last post2014-01-24 22:36 +0000
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  Latest OS X David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 11:30 -0800
    Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 14:36 -0500
      Re: Latest OS X Tom Joad <no@spam.nl> - 2014-01-15 20:48 +0100
        Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 14:51 -0500
          Re: Latest OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-15 17:03 -0800
          Re: Latest OS X Tom Joad <no@spam.nl> - 2014-01-16 20:12 +0100
      Re: Latest OS X Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> - 2014-01-15 12:52 -0700
        Re: Latest OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-16 08:57 +1300
          Re: Latest OS X Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 14:12 -0600
            Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 15:15 -0500
            Re: Latest OS X Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-01-16 06:47 +0000
          Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 15:14 -0500
        Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-01-16 02:35 +0100
          Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-24 21:51 +1000
            Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-24 19:45 +0200
              Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-24 14:53 -0400
              Re: Latest OS X dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-04-25 12:20 +1200
    Re: Latest OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-16 08:55 +1300
      Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:05 +1000
        Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-19 17:24 +0000
          Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-19 20:17 +0200
            Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-19 14:31 -0400
              Re: Latest OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 20:54 +0000
            Re: Latest OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:39 -0400
              Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-20 13:49 +0200
                Re: Latest OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-20 14:14 +0100
                  Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-20 16:21 +0200
                    Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-20 11:21 -0400
                      Re: Latest OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-04-20 17:37 +0200
                        Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-20 11:42 -0400
                    Re: Latest OS X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-20 16:16 +0000
                      Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-20 12:50 -0400
                    Re: Latest OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-20 15:30 -0400
                      Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-20 22:26 +0200
                        Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-21 04:07 +0000
                      Re: Latest OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-20 22:18 +0100
                        Re: Latest OS X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-21 02:16 +0000
                          Re: Latest OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-21 08:48 +0100
                        Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-21 04:09 +0000
                          Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-25 20:58 +1000
                            Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:43 +0000
                              Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 19:09 -0400
                      Re: Latest OS X dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-21 10:01 +1000
                        Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-21 03:15 +0200
                          Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-21 04:11 +0000
                          Re: Latest OS X dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-22 06:59 +1000
                            Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-21 23:35 +0200
                              Re: Latest OS X dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-22 11:21 +1000
                                Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-22 03:40 +0200
                                  Re: Latest OS X dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-22 13:08 +1000
                                    Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-22 04:13 +0000
                    Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-21 04:00 +0000
                      Re: Latest OS X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-21 17:29 +0000
            Re: Latest OS X Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-04-20 20:15 -0700
        Re: Latest OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-20 10:07 +1200
          Re: Latest OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 18:09 -0400
          Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-19 22:09 +0000
          Re: Latest OS X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-19 23:54 +0000
    Re: Latest OS X David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 13:07 -0800
      Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 16:30 -0500
        Re: Latest OS X John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-15 20:16 -0500
          Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-16 01:59 +0000
          Re: Latest OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-15 19:12 -0700
          Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 23:03 -0500
          Re: Latest OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-16 18:17 +1300
      Re: Latest OS X Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-15 17:09 -0500
      Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:07 +1000
    Re: Latest OS X David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 15:16 -0800
      Re: Latest OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-15 18:27 -0500
      Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 18:37 -0500
      Re: Latest OS X dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-16 14:02 +1300
        Re: Latest OS X Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 22:23 -0600
          Re: Latest OS X Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> - 2014-01-16 12:43 +0000
            Re: Latest OS X "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-16 15:14 +0000
              Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-23 16:00 +1000
          Re: Latest OS X dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-17 10:11 +1300
      Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-16 02:00 +0000
    Re: Latest OS X Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2014-01-15 18:30 -0500
      Re: Latest OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:36 +0000

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#58964

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-04-27 21:43 +0000
Message-ID<slrnllquf6.2ii.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#58887
In message <4sfkl9pj1nlijfvjhbgt5isq8jum1jiqtu@4ax.com> 
  Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:09:09 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>>In message <200420142218297957%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
>>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> In article <200420141530242974%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> ErikRS:
>>>> > >> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so
>>>> > >> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends
>>>> > >> people to do the above.
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Streater:
>>>> > > What problems are we talking about?
>>>> 
>>>> ErikRS:
>>>> > General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some 
>>>> > apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO 
>>>> > 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator...
>>>> 
>>>> Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with
>>>> MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom,
>>>> research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of
>>>> Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook
>>>> Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you
>>>> live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike,
>>>> loves it.
>>
>>> Well, the only odd thing happening with Mavericks is where, with some
>>> sites, Safari doesn't succeed in completing the loading of a webpage.
>>> Some css and image files just don't arrive. Symptoms talk of timeouts.
>>> The BBC News site is a case in point. But I can click a link within the
>>> BBC News home page that takes me to another BBC page, and then one
>>> there to take me back to the BBC News page, no problems at all.
>>
>>I have that happen at times as well, but it is not isolated to 10.9. It
>>happens more in Safari, but I've seen the same behavior with Chrome and
>>on Windows machines with IE10.
>>
>>I think it is a function of the Web 2.broken world we live in.

> Mavericks is free because its a downgrade.

Shut up, you ignorant vacuous troll.

-- 
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'Battlemage' is about impressive a title as 'Lord of the Dance'. <PAUSE>
I'm adding Lord of the Dance to my titles.

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#58967

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-04-27 19:09 -0400
Message-ID<g5idnXmYuu-oE8DOnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#58964
On 2014.04.27, 17:43 , Lewis wrote:

> Shut up, you ignorant vacuous troll.

Shhh.  You're giving oxygen to it.


-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#58738

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2014-04-21 10:01 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-82AE93.10015321042014@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#58732
In article <200420141530242974%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> ErikRS:
> > >> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so
> > >> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends
> > >> people to do the above.
> 
> Tim Streater:
> > > What problems are we talking about?
> 
> ErikRS:
> > General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some 
> > apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO 
> > 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator...
> 
> Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with
> MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom,
> research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of
> Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook
> Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you
> live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike,
> loves it.

Yes, yes, professional schmessional...  what about the important 
question of us mugs on CS4 apps?

If we move to Mavericks, will it run like Fireworks, Photoshop and 
Illustrator and BBEdit 8.2.6 as well and quick as on Snow?

-- 
dorayme

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#58739

FromErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
Date2014-04-21 03:15 +0200
Message-ID<lj1rgf$1sn$1@solani.org>
In reply to#58738
dorayme wrote:
> Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with
>> MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom,
>> research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of
>> Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook
>> Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you
>> live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike,
>> loves it.
>
> Yes, yes, professional schmessional...  what about the important
> question of us mugs on CS4 apps?
>
> If we move to Mavericks, will it run like Fireworks, Photoshop and
> Illustrator and BBEdit 8.2.6 as well and quick as on Snow?

I'm not sure about Fireworks - haven't used that for years.:-) - but 
according to my friend both Photoshop and Illustrator CS4 won't be as 
fast and stable on 10.9.x. And some plug-ins might even not work at all 
and would require upgrade/update...

But one thing is for sure, you will need to upgrade your BBEdit to at 
least ver. 9.5.x. I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on SnowLeopard, 
so I upgraded to ver. 9.6 and it /is/ faster than. Ver. 9.6.x also runs 
very fast on 10.6.x and 10.7.x.

If I were you I'd stay with SL or upgrade to ML 10.8.x depending on your 
Fireworks version. 10.8.x is still the best and most stable Apple system 
until now...

You can see Fireworks system requirements here...
<http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-fireworks.html>

Cheers, Erik Richard

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
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#58751

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-04-21 04:11 +0000
Message-ID<slrnll96jr.1k5e.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#58739
In message <lj1rgf$1sn$1@solani.org> 
  ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
>> Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>>> Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with
>>> MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom,
>>> research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of
>>> Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook
>>> Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you
>>> live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike,
>>> loves it.
>>
>> Yes, yes, professional schmessional...  what about the important
>> question of us mugs on CS4 apps?
>>
>> If we move to Mavericks, will it run like Fireworks, Photoshop and
>> Illustrator and BBEdit 8.2.6 as well and quick as on Snow?

> I'm not sure about Fireworks - haven't used that for years.:-) - but 
> according to my friend both Photoshop and Illustrator CS4 won't be as 
> fast and stable on 10.9.x. And some plug-ins might even not work at all 
> and would require upgrade/update...

> But one thing is for sure, you will need to upgrade your BBEdit to at 
> least ver. 9.5.x. I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on SnowLeopard, 
> so I upgraded to ver. 9.6 and it /is/ faster than. Ver. 9.6.x also runs 
> very fast on 10.6.x and 10.7.x.

BBEdit 10.5 is a joy. And the upgrade is only $40.

-- 
If the laws of action and reaction had anything to do with it, it should
have flopped to the ground a few feet away. But no-one was listening to
them.

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#58763

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2014-04-22 06:59 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-1AFF4B.06590722042014@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#58739
In article <lj1rgf$1sn$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> 
wrote:

> But one thing is for sure, you will need to upgrade your BBEdit to at 
> least ver. 9.5.x. I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on SnowLeopard, 
> so I upgraded to ver. 9.6 and it /is/ faster than. Ver. 9.6.x also runs 
> very fast on 10.6.x and 10.7.x.

I am puzzled by this, speed of this version of this app has never been 
any issue on my SL. What did you find "very slow"? The app starting, 
the typing appearing, saving, scrolling, finding and replacing? 
Everything is instant on my machine.

-- 
dorayme

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#58764

FromErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
Date2014-04-21 23:35 +0200
Message-ID<lj42v8$5ri$1@solani.org>
In reply to#58763
dorayme wrote:
> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>> But one thing is for sure, you will need to upgrade your BBEdit to at
>> least ver. 9.5.x. I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on SnowLeopard,
>> so I upgraded to ver. 9.6 and it /is/ faster than. Ver. 9.6.x also runs
>> very fast on 10.6.x and 10.7.x.
>
> I am puzzled by this, speed of this version of this app has never been
> any issue on my SL. What did you find "very slow"? The app starting,
> the typing appearing, saving, scrolling, finding and replacing?
> Everything is instant on my machine.

Yes, you're right here. It's a mistyping from my side. The sentense 
should have been:

"I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on Lion, so I upgraded to ver. 9.6 
and it /is/ faster than ver. 8.5. Ver. 9.6.x also runs very fast on 
10.6.x and 10.7.x."

Plus: "If you upgrade to 10.8.x or 10.9.x BBEdit 9.6.x or later is a 
must". This last part I haven't tried myself, but have it from my friend 
(mentioned earlier in the thread), who runs both 10.6.x, 10.7.x, 10.8.x 
and 10.9.x. - This should clear the misunderstanding.:-)

Cheers, Erik Richard

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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#58767

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2014-04-22 11:21 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-64D092.11210522042014@aioe.org>
In reply to#58764
In article <lj42v8$5ri$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> 
wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
> >> But one thing is for sure, you will need to upgrade your BBEdit to at
> >> least ver. 9.5.x. I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on SnowLeopard,
> >> so I upgraded to ver. 9.6 and it /is/ faster than. Ver. 9.6.x also runs
> >> very fast on 10.6.x and 10.7.x.
> >
> > I am puzzled by this, speed of this version of this app has never been
> > any issue on my SL. What did you find "very slow"? The app starting,
> > the typing appearing, saving, scrolling, finding and replacing?
> > Everything is instant on my machine.
> 
> Yes, you're right here. It's a mistyping from my side. The sentense 
> should have been:
> 
> "I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on Lion, so I upgraded to ver. 9.6 
> and it /is/ faster than ver. 8.5. Ver. 9.6.x also runs very fast on 
> 10.6.x and 10.7.x."
> 
> Plus: "If you upgrade to 10.8.x or 10.9.x BBEdit 9.6.x or later is a 
> must". This last part I haven't tried myself, but have it from my friend 
> (mentioned earlier in the thread), who runs both 10.6.x, 10.7.x, 10.8.x 
> and 10.9.x. - This should clear the misunderstanding.:-)
> 
> Cheers, Erik Richard

OK, Erik, but what exactly was slow on Lion about BBEdit?

-- 
dorayme

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#58768

FromErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
Date2014-04-22 03:40 +0200
Message-ID<lj4haa$lsl$1@solani.org>
In reply to#58767

dorayme wrote:
> In article <lj42v8$5ri$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> dorayme wrote:
>>> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>> But one thing is for sure, you will need to upgrade your BBEdit to at
>>>> least ver. 9.5.x. I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on SnowLeopard,
>>>> so I upgraded to ver. 9.6 and it /is/ faster than. Ver. 9.6.x also runs
>>>> very fast on 10.6.x and 10.7.x.
>>>
>>> I am puzzled by this, speed of this version of this app has never been
>>> any issue on my SL. What did you find "very slow"? The app starting,
>>> the typing appearing, saving, scrolling, finding and replacing?
>>> Everything is instant on my machine.
>>
>> Yes, you're right here. It's a mistyping from my side. The sentense
>> should have been:
>>
>> "I found the old BBEdit 8.5 very slow on Lion, so I upgraded to ver. 9.6
>> and it /is/ faster than ver. 8.5. Ver. 9.6.x also runs very fast on
>> 10.6.x and 10.7.x."
>>
>> Plus: "If you upgrade to 10.8.x or 10.9.x BBEdit 9.6.x or later is a
>> must". This last part I haven't tried myself, but have it from my friend
>> (mentioned earlier in the thread), who runs both 10.6.x, 10.7.x, 10.8.x
>> and 10.9.x. - This should clear the misunderstanding.:-)
>
> OK, Erik, but what exactly was slow on Lion about BBEdit?

If you open very large documents with BBEdit 8.5.x - i.e. +100Mb - 
especially with lots of HTML coding or huge databases to correct 
something, it can take long time - 2-3 mins. to find specific character 
combinations such as page and line breaks, color codes etc.. The same 
search type with BBEdit 9.6.x takes less than a minute.

Cheers, Erik Richard

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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#58769

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2014-04-22 13:08 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-C666B5.13082422042014@aioe.org>
In reply to#58768
In article <lj4haa$lsl$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> 
wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
...
> > OK, Erik, but what exactly was slow on Lion about BBEdit?
> 
> If you open very large documents with BBEdit 8.5.x - i.e. +100Mb - 
> especially with lots of HTML coding or huge databases to correct 
> something, it can take long time - 2-3 mins. to find specific character 
> combinations such as page and line breaks, color codes etc.. The same 
> search type with BBEdit 9.6.x takes less than a minute.
> 

+100MB! I can scarcely imagine a document for BBEdit this size!

-- 
dorayme

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#58772

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-04-22 04:13 +0000
Message-ID<slrnllbr3p.rqg.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#58769
In message <do_ray_me-C666B5.13082422042014@aioe.org> 
  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> In article <lj4haa$lsl$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> 
> wrote:

>> dorayme wrote:
> ...
>> > OK, Erik, but what exactly was slow on Lion about BBEdit?
>> 
>> If you open very large documents with BBEdit 8.5.x - i.e. +100Mb - 
>> especially with lots of HTML coding or huge databases to correct 
>> something, it can take long time - 2-3 mins. to find specific character 
>> combinations such as page and line breaks, color codes etc.. The same 
>> search type with BBEdit 9.6.x takes less than a minute.
>> 

>+100MB! I can scarcely imagine a document for BBEdit this size!

I used to regularly deal with a file that was over 1GB in size in
BBEdit, but frankly, it was easier to deal with it in vim.

-- 
SUSURRATION: It's a hushed noise. But it hints of plots and secrets and
people turning to one another in surprise. It's the noise, in fact, made
just after the sword is withdrawn from the stone and just before the
cheering starts.

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#58747

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-04-21 04:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrnll95vd.1k5e.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#58725
In message <lj0l4c$ocf$1@solani.org> 
  ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote:
>> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>>> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so
>>> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends
>>> people to do the above.
>>
>> What problems are we talking about?

> General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some 
> apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO 
> 2011.

I see none of that under 10.9. The only apps that is terrible under 10.9
is just as terrible under 10.8 and 10.7 and that is iTunes 11, which is
"not responding" about 50% of the time.

> Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator. Loss of wifi 
> connectivity to a.m.o Airport and NetGear wifi routers. Very slow 
> wake-up from sleep. Problems with synching from some iPhone models 
> etc.etc.. - But it isn't all problems at the same time on the same 
> machine - they occour randomly.

I have... <counts> 9 Macs currently running 10.9 and one running 10.6.8.
In addition, I am direct support for about 30 more Macs, more than half
of which are running 10.9.

The only one that is having any weird problems is the 2012 MBP which
seem to ALWAYS go into Hibernation mode when it is put to sleep and
takes longer than I would like to restore that image into RAM.

> Some problems look to me much similar to the problems that were with the 
> very old System 7.5.0, OS 8.0 and later on also 10.3.3 and 10.3.5 Server...

Hmm. My recollection is that 10.3 was *excellent* and the first OS X
that was really completely usable for pretty much anyone. I don't think
I used 10.3 Server though.

(I am one of the fe people who really liked 10.0 PB - 10.2, but that was
largely because I live my life in the Terminal most of the time. Normal
mortals found 10.0-10.2 pretty hard going at times.)


-- 
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill

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#58760

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-04-21 17:29 +0000
Message-ID<lj3kil$ccq$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#58747
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes:

> The only one that is having any weird problems is the 2012 MBP which
> seem to ALWAYS go into Hibernation mode when it is put to sleep and
> takes longer than I would like to restore that image into RAM.

You might want to man pmset ....

Billy Y..
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#58742

FromKevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us>
Date2014-04-20 20:15 -0700
Message-ID<mcmurtrie-321275.20152720042014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>
In reply to#58672
In article <liuekh$uk2$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> 
wrote:

> Lewis wrote:
> > Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Is snow Leopard the latest version of OS X?
> >>>
> >>> No, that's three versions old. Since then there has been Lion, Mountain
> >>> Lion, and Mavericks.
> >>
> >> Mavericks is free because its a downgrade.
> >
> > You are a troll and I claim my £5
> 
> Then please tell me how it can be that so many do downgrade again to 10.8.x?
> 
> cheers, Erik Richard

What?  10.7 and 10.8 are awful.  You either move forward to 10.9 or jump 
back to 10.6.  If old hardware with a new Apple "Pro" app has you 
chained in purgatory then it's time to jump out of Apple's walled 
garden.  The Apple "Pro" apps are nothing to write home about.  I have 
an app on my Android phone that produces far better images than Aperture.

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#58683

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-04-20 10:07 +1200
Message-ID<200420141007199917%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#58645
In article <7ji4l9t44v5mta4c8h34td9foittn5feaf@4ax.com>, Barry OGrady
<atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:55:15 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <fe702e95-dc89-4c63-be98-fc99e2eb0fa3@googlegroups.com>,
> >David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Is snow Leopard the latest version of OS X?
> >
> >No, that's three versions old. Since then there has been Lion, Mountain
> >Lion, and Mavericks.
> 
> Mavericks is free because its a downgrade.

The next version of Mac OS X will likely be much worse now that Johnny
Ive has been allowed to get his sticky mitts all over it.  :-(

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#58684

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-04-19 18:09 -0400
Message-ID<5352f401$0$61573$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#58683
On 14-04-19 18:07, Your Name wrote:

> The next version of Mac OS X will likely be much worse now that Johnny
> Ive has been allowed to get his sticky mitts all over it.  :-(

Look at it on the bright side. The screen will be so translucent that
even the NSA won't be able to read it :-)

I still do not understand why Aple is so orgasmic about translucency. It
is the worse UI practice I have seen. It is not only useless, but also
reduces usablility/readability.

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#58685

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-04-19 22:09 +0000
Message-ID<slrnll5t0q.150v.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#58683
In message <200420141007199917%YourName@YourISP.com> 
  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <7ji4l9t44v5mta4c8h34td9foittn5feaf@4ax.com>, Barry OGrady
> <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:55:15 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <fe702e95-dc89-4c63-be98-fc99e2eb0fa3@googlegroups.com>,
>> >David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Is snow Leopard the latest version of OS X?
>> >
>> >No, that's three versions old. Since then there has been Lion, Mountain
>> >Lion, and Mavericks.
>> 
>> Mavericks is free because its a downgrade.

> The next version of Mac OS X will likely be much worse now that Johnny
> Ive has been allowed to get his sticky mitts all over it.  :-(

You are free to not install it. Personally, I am looking forward to it,
albeit with some trepidation, but still.

-- 
Nothing is impossible for those who don't have to do it.

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#58688

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-04-19 23:54 +0000
Message-ID<liv2bs$krq$2@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#58683
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes:

> The next version of Mac OS X will likely be much worse now that Johnny
> Ive has been allowed to get his sticky mitts all over it.  :-(

I wonder what (hardware & software) Mr Ive uses to design all this stuff?

Billy Y..
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#54759

FromDavid Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-15 13:07 -0800
Message-ID<e2ae2f7f-ed2d-4ff8-85e0-1d2ba1a842ad@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#54748
On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:30:49 PM UTC-5, David Downing wrote:
> Is snow Leopard the latest version of OS X?

I can't seem to find mavericks for sale on Amazon. Would I have to buy Snow Leopard and upgrade from there via the internet?

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#54760

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-15 16:30 -0500
Message-ID<150120141630129524%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#54759
In article <e2ae2f7f-ed2d-4ff8-85e0-1d2ba1a842ad@googlegroups.com>,
David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can't seem to find mavericks for sale on Amazon. Would I have to buy Snow
> Leopard and upgrade from there via the internet?

mavericks is free, so you wouldn't find it there anyway.

mavericks (and mountain lion that preceded it) is only available via
the app store. 

lion was available both on the app store and on a usb stick (for a lot
more money), but very few people bought the usb stick version, so apple
didn't bother offering a usb stick version beyond lion. it was much
easier and cheaper to just download it.

you need snow leopard 10.6.6 or later to get the app store.

if you have any version of snow leopard, you can upgrade to 10.6.8 for
free, then get mavericks for free. if you are running an earlier
version of os x, then you will need to get snow leopard to be able to
get to the app store to download it. 

be sure that your computer can run it. mavericks requires an intel core
2 duo or later and 64 bit efi. older intel core duo (and solo) along
with powerpc are not supported.

what mac do you have and what version of os x is it running?

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