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  Preview vs Adobe Reader J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 15:33 -0500
    Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 20:41 +0000
      Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 16:03 -0500
        Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 16:17 -0500
          Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 17:35 -0500
            Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:35 +1300
              Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 21:05 -0500
                Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:40 +1300
                  Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 22:50 -0500
                    Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:52 +1300
          Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-21 12:20 +1300
            Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-21 14:09 +0000
            Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-01-23 14:26 -0800
              Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-24 12:31 +1300
                Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-23 16:34 -0800
                Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-01-23 16:40 -0800
    Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 16:08 -0500
      Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 17:35 -0500
      Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:39 +1300
        Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2014-01-20 19:21 -0600
    Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:37 +1300
      Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 20:15 -0500
      Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 23:38 -0500
        Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 04:46 -0500
    Re: Preview vs Adobe Reader Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-01-23 22:21 +0100

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#55070 — Preview vs Adobe Reader

I have Mavericks. I downloaded my high-school yearbook as a PDF and 
opened it with Preview.  At Actual Size, the pages were less than 8" 
wide and not very clear.  When I zoomed, I could find no way to scroll 
sideways. They still weren't very clear.

I tried Adobe Reader.  At 100%, the pages were more realistic at 10" 
wide, and I could scroll sideways.  With the same page at the same size 
on the screen, photos and captions were clearer with Adobe.

Is something wrong with Preview?

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#55073

In article <lbk169$189$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
wrote:

> I have Mavericks. I downloaded my high-school yearbook as a PDF and 
> opened it with Preview.  At Actual Size, the pages were less than 8" 
> wide and not very clear.  When I zoomed, I could find no way to scroll 
> sideways. They still weren't very clear.
> 
> I tried Adobe Reader.  At 100%, the pages were more realistic at 10" 
> wide, and I could scroll sideways.  With the same page at the same size 
> on the screen, photos and captions were clearer with Adobe.
> 
> Is something wrong with Preview?

They seem to have done away with the scroll bars for some reason. But I
think you can grab the picture with the mouse and move it around, just
like your google map.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#55080

On 1/20/14, 3:41 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <lbk169$189$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have Mavericks. I downloaded my high-school yearbook as a PDF and
>> opened it with Preview.  At Actual Size, the pages were less than 8"
>> wide and not very clear.  When I zoomed, I could find no way to scroll
>> sideways. They still weren't very clear.
>>
>> I tried Adobe Reader.  At 100%, the pages were more realistic at 10"
>> wide, and I could scroll sideways.  With the same page at the same
>> size on the screen, photos and captions were clearer with Adobe.
>>
>> Is something wrong with Preview?
>
> They seem to have done away with the scroll bars for some reason. But I
> think you can grab the picture with the mouse and move it around, just
> like your google map.
>
It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a 
panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.

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#55086

On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:

> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a 
> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.


Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?

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#55100

On 1/20/14, 4:17 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
>
>> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
>> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
>
>
> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
>
I looked for the hand tool again.  It doesn't seem to be available.

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#55112

In article <lbk8cd$eoc$2@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
wrote:
> On 1/20/14, 4:17 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> > On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
> >
> >> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
> >> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
> >
> > Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
> 
> I looked for the hand tool again.  It doesn't seem to be available.

That's what he just said - it's not there. The cursor / arrow keys on
the keyboard apparently still work (according to a previous topic
complaining about a similar thing).

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#55124

On 1/20/14, 7:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <lbk8cd$eoc$2@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>> On 1/20/14, 4:17 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
>>> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
>>>> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
>>>
>>> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
>>
>> I looked for the hand tool again.  It doesn't seem to be available.
>
> That's what he just said - it's not there. The cursor / arrow keys on
> the keyboard apparently still work (according to a previous topic
> complaining about a similar thing).
>
When I saw the question mark, I thought it was a question.  Silly me!

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#55133

In article <lbkkkv$hvq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
wrote:
> On 1/20/14, 7:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <lbk8cd$eoc$2@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On 1/20/14, 4:17 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> >>> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
> >>>> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
> >>>
> >>> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
> >>
> >> I looked for the hand tool again.  It doesn't seem to be available.
> >
> > That's what he just said - it's not there. The cursor / arrow keys on
> > the keyboard apparently still work (according to a previous topic
> > complaining about a similar thing).
> 
> When I saw the question mark, I thought it was a question.  Silly me!

Sorry, you're right. That one was a question. It was the previous topic
where someone said scrollbars, etc. had been changed.

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#55136

On 1/20/14, 10:40 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <lbkkkv$hvq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>> On 1/20/14, 7:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <lbk8cd$eoc$2@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 1/20/14, 4:17 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
>>>>> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
>>>>>> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
>>>>
>>>> I looked for the hand tool again.  It doesn't seem to be available.
>>>
>>> That's what he just said - it's not there. The cursor / arrow keys on
>>> the keyboard apparently still work (according to a previous topic
>>> complaining about a similar thing).
>>
>> When I saw the question mark, I thought it was a question.  Silly me!
>
> Sorry, you're right. That one was a question. It was the previous topic
> where someone said scrollbars, etc. had been changed.
>
The arrows work, although Help said nothing about it.  Thanks.

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#55146

In article <lbkqqo$eul$2@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
wrote:

> On 1/20/14, 10:40 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <lbkkkv$hvq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On 1/20/14, 7:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
> >>> In article <lbk8cd$eoc$2@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 1/20/14, 4:17 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> >>>>> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
> >>>>>> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I looked for the hand tool again.  It doesn't seem to be available.
> >>>
> >>> That's what he just said - it's not there. The cursor / arrow keys on
> >>> the keyboard apparently still work (according to a previous topic
> >>> complaining about a similar thing).
> >>
> >> When I saw the question mark, I thought it was a question.  Silly me!
> >
> > Sorry, you're right. That one was a question. It was the previous topic
> > where someone said scrollbars, etc. had been changed.
> 
> The arrows work, although Help said nothing about it.  Thanks.

Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down probably also work, but it depends on
your keyboard as to how those keys are used. It's also possible that
holding down teh Command key while pressing the arrows does the same
thing (for example, Command-down arrow may do a Page Down).

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#55103

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
> 
> > It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a 
> > panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
> 
> 
> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?

Yes, and it seems to have been revised assuming everyone has a trackpad
or mouse which supports horizontal scrolling. In some cases the vertical
scrollbar doesn't appear either, unless you resize the window.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#55159

David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
> 
> Yes, and it seems to have been revised assuming everyone has a trackpad
> or mouse which supports horizontal scrolling. In some cases the vertical
> scrollbar doesn't appear either, unless you resize the window.

Horizontal scrolling can still be accomplished by holding down the shift 
key and then scrolling up and down.

It was stupid for Apple to remove the panning (hand) tool from Preview.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#55231

On 2014-01-20 23:20:28 +0000, David Empson said:

> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
>> 
>>> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
>>> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
>> 
>> 
>> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
> 
> Yes, and it seems to have been revised assuming everyone has a trackpad
> or mouse which supports horizontal scrolling. In some cases the vertical
> scrollbar doesn't appear either, unless you resize the window.

Have you tried turning "always show" back on for scrollbars?

(This was one of the default changes Apple made that I truly hate, and 
that they were nice enough to give us an easy-to-access option to 
override)

System Preferences->General->Show scroll bars  [set to Always]

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#55235

Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> On 2014-01-20 23:20:28 +0000, David Empson said:
> 
> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
> >> 
> >>> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
> >>> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
> > 
> > Yes, and it seems to have been revised assuming everyone has a trackpad
> > or mouse which supports horizontal scrolling. In some cases the vertical
> > scrollbar doesn't appear either, unless you resize the window.
> 
> Have you tried turning "always show" back on for scrollbars?

Yes. I have had that setting enabled since I upgraded to Lion, and kept
it enabled in Mountain Lion and Mavericks.

It doesn't help. With that setting enabled, Preview in Mavericks doesn't
show the horizontal scroll bar for most documents (it may do for very
wide ones) and if the document is short enough it won't show the
vertical scroll bar either, despite there being document content outside
the window.

Both scroll bars can appear if the window is resized to an unreasonably
small width and/or height.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#55243

In article <1lfz8xl.2ywh2j1g5rgyuN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-01-20 23:20:28 +0000, David Empson said:
> > 
> > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> On 14-01-20 16:03, J Burns wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> It wouldn't work for me.  Sometimes apps and web pages have had a
> > >>> panning option.  I didn't see anything in any of the menus.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Has Apple done away with the "hand" tool on Preview ?
> > > 
> > > Yes, and it seems to have been revised assuming everyone has a trackpad
> > > or mouse which supports horizontal scrolling. In some cases the vertical
> > > scrollbar doesn't appear either, unless you resize the window.
> > 
> > Have you tried turning "always show" back on for scrollbars?
> 
> Yes. I have had that setting enabled since I upgraded to Lion, and kept
> it enabled in Mountain Lion and Mavericks.
> 
> It doesn't help. With that setting enabled, Preview in Mavericks doesn't
> show the horizontal scroll bar for most documents (it may do for very
> wide ones) and if the document is short enough it won't show the
> vertical scroll bar either, despite there being document content outside
> the window.
> 
> Both scroll bars can appear if the window is resized to an unreasonably
> small width and/or height.

Maybe it's time to switch to something other than Preview.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#55245

On 2014-01-23 23:31:43 +0000, David Empson said:

> Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Have you tried turning "always show" back on for scrollbars?
> 
> It doesn't help.

Weird.  I guess I don't think about it much because I've got trackpads 
and a MagicMouse.

[and I was really caught by surprise the other day, checking something 
for an officemate
on our machine there, running 10.9, and with old-fashioned scroll 
direction still set! ]

I definitely get some weird behavior in Preview.

The default setting, btw, seems to always be "zoom" - which means, 
apparently, zoom _horizontal_ dimension (only thing that makes sense 
for "continuous" but should be one of two choices for single-page view).

Setting to "Actual" so that I can resize the window and create a need 
to scroll horizontally, I get different behavior on two different 
machines right now.  (Both running 10.9).

On the machine with the Magic Mouse, I *do* get horizontal scroll bars, 
and a swipe on the mouse also works just fine.

On the other machine, with a multitouch trackpad, I get no scroll bar, 
but I can scroll via two-finger swipe on the trackpad.

And in both places, Adobe Reader just does the right thing.  Scroll and 
scrollbars work fine.  And under zoom, as one might reasonably expect, 
one of the options is "fit width", labeled as it ought to be.

Still, even with all this silliness, I really prefer Preview.  I only 
have Adobe Reader installed because of one vendor who apparently 
"upgraded" their form generation software and in doing so, are now 
generating some forms which Preview cannot open.  The docs are 
nominally PDF 1.7 docs (the ISO 32000-1 standard), but I still get the 
"Please wait... If this message is not eventually replaced by the 
proper contents of the document, your PDF viewer may not be able to 
display this type of document."  Why I get that with a PDF1.7 doc in 
Preview, I do not know.  And the vendor just hasn't got a clue.  (The 
documents are benig generated by Adobe LiveCycle Designer ES 9.0 -- per 
the Info window that Preview happily shows, even though it can't show 
the doc contents itself.  While another document from the same vendor, 
also a PDF1.7, also generated with the same version of LiveCycle 
Designer, opens just fine in Preview and in Adobe Reader.  Go figure.)

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#55082

On 14-01-20 15:33, J Burns wrote:
> I have Mavericks.

Problem number 1 :-(



> wide and not very clear.  When I zoomed, I could find no way to scroll 
> sideways. They still weren't very clear.

This was discussed a while back. In Mavericks preferences, are you able
to force scroll bars to be on ?


> I tried Adobe Reader.  At 100%, the pages were more realistic at 10" 
> wide, and I could scroll sideways. 

> Is something wrong with Preview?

Apple philosophy to simplify the computer to having a single full screen
with no buttons or scrolling. This makes it much simpler to use :-)

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#55099

On 1/20/14, 4:08 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 14-01-20 15:33, J Burns wrote:
>> I have Mavericks.
>
> Problem number 1 :-(
>
>
>
>> wide and not very clear.  When I zoomed, I could find no way to scroll
>> sideways. They still weren't very clear.
>
> This was discussed a while back. In Mavericks preferences, are you able
> to force scroll bars to be on ?
>
>

In System Preferences >General, I changed from automatically to always. 
  It made no difference in Preview.

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#55114

In article <52dd9031$0$58624$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> Apple philosophy to simplify the computer to having a single full screen
> with no buttons or scrolling. This makes it much simpler to use :-)

Johnny Ives' philosophy anyway, which since he's now in charge is the
same thing ... and it worked so "well" with Windows 8.  :-(

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#55121

I'm still using Preview 2.1.0 from Panther (on Tiger), I never did like 
the way later versions handled the select function. Too bad it won't run 
on the newer systems or am I mistaken.

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