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  Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 14:07 -0500
    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 15:13 -0400
      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 15:06 -0500
        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 16:22 -0400
          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 16:35 -0500
            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 18:11 -0400
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 17:35 -0500
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 17:00 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 17:09 -0400
                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 17:29 -0400
                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 17:36 -0400
                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 19:54 -0400
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 20:04 -0400
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 20:10 -0400
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-30 19:05 -0500
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 20:12 -0400
                            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-30 22:05 -0500
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-30 19:58 -0700
                            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-30 22:18 -0500
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-30 19:56 -0700
                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:11 +1300
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 00:02 -0400
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 18:26 +1300
            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 19:10 -0400
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 19:27 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 17:48 -0700
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 19:32 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 18:59 -0500
                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 20:23 -0400
                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 20:30 -0400
                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 19:38 -0500
                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 21:03 -0400
                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:31 +1300
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 09:09 -0400
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:21 +1300
                            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 17:12 -0400
                              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:03 +1300
                                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 00:05 -0400
                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 14:32 -0400
            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-30 12:11 +1300
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 18:57 -0500
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:11 +1300
                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? "Ted L." <tedl719@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-30 07:54 -0500
                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-31 00:31 +0000
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 15:19 +1300
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-30 19:50 -0700
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-30 22:14 -0500
                            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-31 01:04 -0700
                              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-31 21:54 +1300
                                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 05:23 -0400
                                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-01 00:30 -0700
                                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-01 07:03 -0400
                                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-02 10:29 +1300
                                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-01 23:33 -0400
                              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 05:24 -0400
                                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 09:25 -0400
                              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 12:29 +0000
                              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-10-31 09:14 -0400
                                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 09:26 -0400
                                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 14:23 +0000
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-10-31 09:11 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-30 22:21 +1300
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-29 19:40 -0700
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 22:45 -0400
                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-30 04:25 +0000
                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 00:48 -0400
                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-30 12:54 +0000
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 13:33 -0400
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? ggrandish@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 10:49 -0700
                            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 14:57 -0400
                              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-31 00:23 +0000
                                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 02:57 -0400
                                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-31 14:31 +0000
                                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 13:43 -0400
                                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? ggrandish@gmail.com - 2013-10-31 12:57 -0700
                                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 18:20 -0400
                                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 21:08 -0400
                                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 18:20 -0400
                                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-01 13:47 +0000
                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 09:16 -0400
                      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:21 -0700
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 15:54 -0400
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 13:02 -0700
                        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-31 09:58 +1300
                          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 17:33 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-30 04:27 +0000
                  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 09:15 -0400
                    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2013-10-30 09:52 -0700
          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 08:16 +0000
            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-01 09:30 +1300
        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-29 22:29 +0000
    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? ggrandish@gmail.com - 2013-10-29 15:19 -0700
      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 18:46 -0400
        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-01 12:55 +0000
      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 21:11 -0400
        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-01 14:30 -0400
          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-01 17:05 -0400
            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-01 23:34 -0400
    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 05:45 -0700

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#51416

In article <l4ru4e$3pv$2@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 10-30-2013, 17:29, Barry Margolin wrote:
> >
> > I only mentioned quicken because it's the obvious contender. I'd
> > probably use just about any modern money management application if it
> > could import the MYM data.
> 
> Every one I've ever tried--including Quicken 2003--was MORE work and 
> slower than pencil and paper.

Yep. I just use a simple AppleWorks spreadsheet.  :-)


MANY years ago when I was looking at various Macintosh accounts
software for the organisation I worked at, they were all awful, ugly,
slow, mostly Windows PC ports, and were highly Americanised. In the end
we were given a free version of the (then new) MoneyWorks application
by a local developer and were one of the beta testers for them.

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#51447

On 10-30-2013, 20:11, Your Name wrote:
> In article <l4ru4e$3pv$2@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
>> Every one I've ever tried--including Quicken 2003--was MORE work and
>> slower than pencil and paper.
>
> Yep. I just use a simple AppleWorks spreadsheet.  :-)

And now I don't use anything.  Every other Thursday is payday.  I sit 
down, pay 1/26 of the annual average of everything rounded up to the 
next dollar.  Whenever I get a bill where what they owe me is over a 
hundred, I skip a payment.

All the years I put so much effort into keeping track of how much it is 
this month and when is it due, etc. I now see was unnecessary.  This
way is easy.

I do scan the details each payday for any inappropriate trasnactions. 
But if the bank is stealing small amounts from me by arithmetic errors, 
I don't know and don't care.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
    intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
    from the common culture.  Near as I can tell, this coincides with
    the release of MS-DOS.
                                  — Larry DeLuca

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#51451

In article <l4skpi$n4h$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 10-30-2013, 20:11, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <l4ru4e$3pv$2@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
> >> Every one I've ever tried--including Quicken 2003--was MORE work and
> >> slower than pencil and paper.
> >
> > Yep. I just use a simple AppleWorks spreadsheet.  :-)
> 
> And now I don't use anything.  

Opps! That should have said I use a simple AppleWorks spreadsheet for
my business accounts. I also use a FileMaker database to print the
invoices.

For my personal accounts I don't use anything. I pay for almost
everything with a credit card and then pay that bill off completely
every month.  :-)

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#51262

Ted Lee:
> Um, my point was that SheepShaver emulates an even older PPC than a 
> Rosetta replacement would, and yet there is enough of a "customer" base 
> for that that it continues to be well supported.

Didn't you say it was supported by amateur volunteers? That's not my
idea of well supported. Perhaps it's due to lack of demand that this is
not a professional product.

> As to that "old" software -- there are pieces of software which have no 
> Intel equivalent or which would be very difficult to migrate to the 
> closest equivalent.  At least the ones I care about run under 
> SheepShaver, so the problem is "solved" with them.

Sorry, you're in the minority here. We're at the point where the great
majority of Mac users never saw the classic Mac OS, and so have no
legacy software. I have a great deal of software that suits my every
need, and there is no a single piece of legacy software that I wish
that I had. I'm in the majority here.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#51265

In article <291020131910190916%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
wrote:

> > Um, my point was that SheepShaver emulates an even older PPC than a 
> > Rosetta replacement would, and yet there is enough of a "customer" base 
> > for that that it continues to be well supported.
> 
> Didn't you say it was supported by amateur volunteers? That's not my
> idea of well supported. Perhaps it's due to lack of demand that this is
> not a professional product.

no perhaps about it. that's exactly why. it's a hobby for a few people
with too much free time on their hands.

> > As to that "old" software -- there are pieces of software which have no 
> > Intel equivalent or which would be very difficult to migrate to the 
> > closest equivalent.  At least the ones I care about run under 
> > SheepShaver, so the problem is "solved" with them.
> 
> Sorry, you're in the minority here. We're at the point where the great
> majority of Mac users never saw the classic Mac OS, and so have no
> legacy software. I have a great deal of software that suits my every
> need, and there is no a single piece of legacy software that I wish
> that I had. I'm in the majority here.

yep. most mac users bought intel macs as their first mac. 

the market for such a product is small and getting smaller.

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#51279

On 2013-10-29 23:27:06 +0000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <291020131910190916%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
> wrote:

<< Le Snip >>

>> Sorry, you're in the minority here. We're at the point where the great
>> majority of Mac users never saw the classic Mac OS, and so have no
>> legacy software. I have a great deal of software that suits my every
>> need, and there is no a single piece of legacy software that I wish
>> that I had. I'm in the majority here.
> 
> yep. most mac users bought intel macs as their first mac.

My first Mac after I retired my Apple IIe, ran a PPC 603e at an amazing 
200 MHz.
It currently resides in its original box in my garage.

...but then like most folks in this room I guess we don't group 
ourselves among most Mac users with an Intel machine.

> the market for such a product is small and getting smaller.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51267

On 10-29-2013, 19:10, Davoud wrote:
> Sorry, you're in the minority here. We're at the point where the great
> majority of Mac users never saw the classic Mac OS, and so have no
> legacy software. I have a great deal of software that suits my every
> need, and there is no a single piece of legacy software that I wish
> that I had. I'm in the majority here.

And if I had files (as some have posted) that can only be opened by PPC 
code, I'd have long ago figured out a way to convert them to something else.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “A miracle is a violation of the laws of nature, and as a
    firm and unalterable experience has established these laws,
    the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact,
    is as entire as could possibly be imagined.”
                                 — David Hume, age 37
   “There's no such thing of that, 'cause I never heard of it.”
                                 — Becky Groleau, age 4

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#51271

On 10/29/13, 6:32 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
> And if I had files (as some have posted) that can only be opened by 
> PPC code, I'd have long ago figured out a way to convert them to 
> something else. 
Tell me now how you convert Mangia files to something else...

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#51273

On 10-29-2013, 19:59, Ted Lee wrote:
> On 10/29/13, 6:32 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>> And if I had files (as some have posted) that can only be opened by
>> PPC code, I'd have long ago figured out a way to convert them to
>> something else.
> Tell me now how you convert Mangia files to something else...

If I had any, I would have figured something out.

Unless of course I decided to discard them.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Promote multi-use trails in northeast Indiana!
   http://www.NorthwestAllenTrails.org/

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#51275

On 10-29-2013, 19:59, Ted Lee wrote:
> On 10/29/13, 6:32 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>> And if I had files (as some have posted) that can only be opened by
>> PPC code, I'd have long ago figured out a way to convert them to
>> something else.
> Tell me now how you convert Mangia files to something else...

All it is is recipes?  No matter how good they are, I can't imagine that 
NONE of the millions available on line aren't close enough.

But if worse comes to worse, OS 9 could do screen shots or cut/paste of 
text.

BigOven.com -- or one of its many competitors.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy:
    http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html

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#51277

On 10/29/13, 7:30 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>
> But if worse comes to worse, OS 9 could do screen shots or cut/paste of
> text.

My wife has over a thousand *family* recipes in our "family" cookbook in 
Mangia.  Or maybe it's two thousand -- they fit in two 3" thick notebooks.

Do you want estimate how much time it would take to cut and paste those 
and reformat them in the form required by some other cookbook program?

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#51282

In article <l4pkdq$n80$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> wrote:

> > But if worse comes to worse, OS 9 could do screen shots or cut/paste of
> > text.
> 
> My wife has over a thousand *family* recipes in our "family" cookbook in 
> Mangia.  Or maybe it's two thousand -- they fit in two 3" thick notebooks.
> 
> Do you want estimate how much time it would take to cut and paste those 
> and reformat them in the form required by some other cookbook program?

why did you wait until now to do something?

a decade ago, the writing was on the wall that it was going away.

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#51308

In article <l4pkdq$n80$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> wrote:
> On 10/29/13, 7:30 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
> >
> > But if worse comes to worse, OS 9 could do screen shots or cut/paste of
> > text.
> 
> My wife has over a thousand *family* recipes in our "family" cookbook in 
> Mangia.  Or maybe it's two thousand -- they fit in two 3" thick notebooks.
> 
> Do you want estimate how much time it would take to cut and paste those 
> and reformat them in the form required by some other cookbook program?

It might be possible to pull the data out of the Mangia documents, but
a very quick Google search seems to indicate nobody else has managed to
do it. The "best" approach seems to be to print the recipes ot a
PostScript or PDF file and then extract the text from that.
http://www.advenio.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=114%5Burl%5D

Depending on how Mangia prints the recipes, it should be possible to
get the computer to batch convert, but apparently the people on that
topic link haven't managed to do it.

They say to use the MacGourmet application, but that may end up with
the same issue when we reach Mac OS X 10.18 or something. It would
probably be more sensible to simply use a standard word processor like
Word.

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#51338

On 10-30-2013, 02:31, Your Name wrote:
> They say to use the MacGourmet application, but that may end up with
> the same issue when we reach Mac OS X 10.18 or something. It would
> probably be more sensible to simply use a standard word processor like
> Word.

Or a standard DB app to better support searching.

Or a sharing service like BigOven.com which has both free and non-free 
versions and which also has competitors, though I don't remember their 
names.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    You're all individuals!
           Yes, we're all individuals!
    You're all different!
           Yes, we are all different!
                                I'm not!
                      ("Life of Brian")

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#51388

In article <l4r0ee$64f$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 10-30-2013, 02:31, Your Name wrote:
> > They say to use the MacGourmet application, but that may end up with
> > the same issue when we reach Mac OS X 10.18 or something. It would
> > probably be more sensible to simply use a standard word processor like
> > Word.
> 
> Or a standard DB app to better support searching.

That would be better than a cusom database like MacGourmet, but it
still has issues if the database maker decides to stop making it (or if
the user switches from Windows to Mac if using Access) ... although any
good database will allow you to easily export the data to then import
on another piece of software.

Using a widely used word processor like Word does give you somewhat
better chances of "future proofing" ... Word can still opens up
documents from the early versions, even though it now has the silly
.docx version. Obviously at some stage Word might disappear, Microsoft
go bankrupt or somthing, but almost every other word processor on the
planet can also open Word documents.



> Or a sharing service like BigOven.com which has both free and non-free 
> versions and which also has competitors, though I don't remember their 
> names.

There are lots, and millions of recipe sharing websites out there, but
your again stuck with whether or not the website owners decided to keep
it going or not.  :-)

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#51397

On 10-30-2013, 16:21, Your Name wrote:
> In article <l4r0ee$64f$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
>> Or a standard DB app to better support searching.
>
> That would be better than a cusom database like MacGourmet, but it
> still has issues if the database maker decides to stop making it (or if
> the user switches from Windows to Mac if using Access) ... although any
> good database will allow you to easily export the data to then import
> on another piece of software.

Any good database will do SQL or something similar.
So in the worst case, you could get delimited dumps that could be 
converted to just about anything.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    ¡Qué quiero realmente hacer es comer un perrito caliente!
       私が実際にしたいと思う何をホットドッグを食べることである!
    http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=463

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#51413

In article <l4rso4$ru1$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 10-30-2013, 16:21, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <l4r0ee$64f$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
> >> Or a standard DB app to better support searching.
> >
> > That would be better than a cusom database like MacGourmet, but it
> > still has issues if the database maker decides to stop making it (or if
> > the user switches from Windows to Mac if using Access) ... although any
> > good database will allow you to easily export the data to then import
> > on another piece of software.
> 
> Any good database will do SQL or something similar.
> So in the worst case, you could get delimited dumps that could be 
> converted to just about anything.

But only if you can still run the original database software. If the
old application won't run on your new computer, then you're stuck ...
which is the same issue with Mangia.

For example, if FilMaker 27 won't run on Mac OS X 10.30, then you can't
get at any of the data in those database files.

A simple Word document on the other hand will still be openable by
various still functioning applications for many years after Word /
Microsoft disappeared.

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#51448

On 10-30-2013, 20:03, Your Name wrote:
> In article <l4rso4$ru1$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
>> Any good database will do SQL or something similar.
>> So in the worst case, you could get delimited dumps that could be
>> converted to just about anything.
>
> But only if you can still run the original database software. If the
> old application won't run on your new computer, then you're stuck ...
> which is the same issue with Mangia.

I dump my databases to text files periodically.  If some malware breaks 
every MySQL instance on the same day, I'm good.

Disks aren't the only things worth backing up.


-- 
Wes Groleau

   Words of the Wild Wes
   http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW

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#51374

Ted Lee:

> My wife has over a thousand *family* recipes in our "family" cookbook in 
> Mangia.  Or maybe it's two thousand -- they fit in two 3" thick notebooks.

> Do you want estimate how much time it would take to cut and paste those 
> and reformat them in the form required by some other cookbook program?

No, but I will estimate that it's not a good idea to put all of one's
eggs in one basket. Or to use superfluous software such as "cookbook
programs" when text files are more versatile, more durable and just as
easy to search.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#51263

Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> wrote:

> On 10/29/13, 3:22 PM, nospam wrote:
> > if whatever the software did was needed by many people, it would have
> > been updated or a competitor would have made their own version.
> 
> Um, my point was that SheepShaver emulates an even older PPC than a 
> Rosetta replacement would, and yet there is enough of a "customer" base
> for that that it continues to be well supported.

Rosetta is not an emulator. It translates PowerPC code into Intel code,
which then gets executed. All of the code executed by the process must
be PowerPC, including libraries and frameworks used by the application,
since PowerPC and Intel-native code have different calling conventions.

In order for someone other than Apple to implement a Rosetta clone, they
need to be able to supply PowerPC implementations of all parts of Mac OS
X which can be executed within the process of a PowerPC application,
which is a rather big list including all of the libraries and frameworks
that are used by applications.

Apple eliminated all of the PowerPC versions of their libraries and
frameworks when they dropped Rosetta with Lion. Nobody else has the
source code to those parts of Mac OS X, so the chance of someone else
implementing a drop-in replacement for Rosetta is effectively zero.

(That's without even considering the patent issues for the technology
behind Rosetta, which is now owned by IBM.)

SheepShaver does more than just emulate a PowerPC: it runs a complete
copy of the older operating system as well.

You can do the equivalent by running Snow Leopard Server in a virtual
machine (VMware Fusion, Parallels or VirtualBox), and can run PowerPC
applications in that. Snow Leopard Server used to be expensive, but
Apple dropped the price to be the same as Snow Leopard (you can get it
by ringing Apple Sales, but it doesn't appear on the online store).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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