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[NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-25 08:58 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-24 17:50 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-09-25 10:53 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-25 16:43 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models - ping Fred Moore Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:17 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-25 03:21 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-25 16:44 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michael Savich <michaelusenet@icloud.com> - 2013-09-28 16:36 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 17:01 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-29 09:48 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 18:10 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-29 11:45 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 07:23 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-29 13:47 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 17:56 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-29 19:16 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 13:27 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 20:51 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 16:44 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 16:45 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 10:05 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 10:15 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 17:59 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 17:32 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 01:41 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 09:25 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 16:41 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:07 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 09:08 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 11:14 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 11:39 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 13:42 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 15:48 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 16:30 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:32 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-01 21:34 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-02 16:03 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:29 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 12:19 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 10:04 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-04 18:33 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-04 19:26 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2013-10-05 03:52 -0600
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 10:00 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-04 23:05 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 09:59 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 17:14 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 17:05 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-30 12:14 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 09:26 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 16:42 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-30 14:06 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:15 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-01 18:35 +0200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-02 09:15 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 17:08 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:16 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:34 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 20:49 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-10-01 11:14 -0700
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-09-25 08:58 +1200 |
| Subject | [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models |
| Message-ID | <250920130858332395%YourName@YourISP.com> |
From MacRumors.com ...
Apple Updates iMac with Haswell and Faster PCIe Flash Storage
-------------------------------------------------------------
In something of a surprise move, Apple today announced the
launch of updated iMacs based on Intel's Haswell processors,
faster PCI Express-based flash storage options, and 802.11ac
Wi-Fi.
"iMac continues to be the example that proves how beautiful,
fast and fun a desktop computer can be," said Philip Schiller,
Apple¹s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing. "Inside
its ultra-thin aluminum enclosure, the new iMac has the
latest Intel processors, faster graphics, next generation
802.11ac Wi-Fi and faster PCIe flash storage."
New models include:
21.5-inch
- $1299: 2.7 GHz quad-core i5 and Intel Iris Pro graphics
- $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT
750M with 1 GB video memory
27-inch
- $1799: 3.2 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA
GeForce GT 755M with 1 GB video memory
- $1999: 3.4 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA
GeForce GTX 775M with 2 GB video memory
All standard configurations come with 8 GB of RAM and a 1 TB
traditional hard drive.
Build-to-order options include a 3.1 GHz Core i7 processor
and 16 GB of RAM on the 21.5-inch model and a 3.5 GHz Core
i7 processor and up to 32 GB of RAM on the 27-inch model.
Storage options of up to 3 TB traditional hard drive, 3 TB
Fusion Drive, and 1 TB flash storage are also available
depending on model. The high-end 27-inch model also has an
available graphics upgrade to NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 780M with
4GB of GDDR5 memory.
The new iMac is available today through Apple's online store
with all standard configurations with the exception of the
high-end 21.5-inch model showing availability of "within 24
hours". The high-end 21.5-inch model is currently showing a
shipping estimate of 2-3 weeks.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-24 17:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jqGdnbiJa_uDlN_PnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #48996 |
On 2013.09.24 16:58 , Your Name wrote:
>
> From MacRumors.com ...
>
> Apple Updates iMac with Haswell and Faster PCIe Flash Storage
Thanks for that!
Given that they did not increase the memory speed I just placed my order
for the late 2012 model (refurbished) for the
i7 3.4 GHz
8 GB - I'll order another 16 GB immediately
1 TB Fusion
680MX (2 GB)
Mezei:
Know anyone looking for a late 2007 iMac? (Core 2 Duo 2.8 GHz / 6 GB RAM
/ 2 TB HD in excellent condition).
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> |
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| Date | 2013-09-25 10:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fmoore-716938.10534225092013@mx05.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #48997 |
In article <jqGdnbiJa_uDlN_PnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > Know anyone looking for a late 2007 iMac? (Core 2 Duo 2.8 GHz / 6 GB RAM > / 2 TB HD in excellent condition). I might be, Alan. How much you want for it? Any idea how much shipping to the States (MidWest) might be?
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-25 16:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VeSdnfYUoYOf1t7PnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49009 |
On 2013.09.25 10:53 , Fred Moore wrote:
> In article <jqGdnbiJa_uDlN_PnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Know anyone looking for a late 2007 iMac? (Core 2 Duo 2.8 GHz / 6 GB RAM
>> / 2 TB HD in excellent condition).
>
> I might be, Alan. How much you want for it? Any idea how much shipping
> to the States (MidWest) might be?
Check your e-mail Fred (I sent to the e-mail address you use for usenet
posts).
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-26 17:17 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models - ping Fred Moore |
| Message-ID | <wcqdnTdoIo7DOdnPnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49009 |
On 2013.09.25 10:53 , Fred Moore wrote:
> In article <jqGdnbiJa_uDlN_PnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Know anyone looking for a late 2007 iMac? (Core 2 Duo 2.8 GHz / 6 GB RAM
>> / 2 TB HD in excellent condition).
>
> I might be, Alan. How much you want for it? Any idea how much shipping
> to the States (MidWest) might be?
Hi Fred - did you get my e-mail?
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-09-25 03:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl44llh.2a0f.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #48996 |
In message <250920130858332395%YourName@YourISP.com> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > - $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT > 750M with 1 GB video memory Bloody hell, That's a fantastic machine. -- “They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself." Andy Warhol
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-25 16:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VeSdnfAUoYO-1t7PnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49003 |
On 2013.09.24 23:21 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <250920130858332395%YourName@YourISP.com>
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> - $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT
>> 750M with 1 GB video memory
>
> Bloody hell, That's a fantastic machine.
21.5", no HT, notebook graphic processor.
Not bad for the price, but not 'fantastic'.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Michael Savich <michaelusenet@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-28 16:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2013092816361971744-michaelusenet@icloudcom> |
| In reply to | #48996 |
On 2013-09-24 20:58:33 +0000, Your Name said: > > New models include: > > 21.5-inch > - $1299: 2.7 GHz quad-core i5 and Intel Iris Pro graphics > - $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT > 750M with 1 GB video memory > > 27-inch > - $1799: 3.2 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA > GeForce GT 755M with 1 GB video memory > - $1999: 3.4 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA > GeForce GTX 775M with 2 GB video memory > > Anybody else notice the lowest-end model uses integrated graphics? A desktop without a graphics card- now that's something.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-28 17:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <PICdneQ7Hboz3trPnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49120 |
On 2013.09.28 16:36 , Michael Savich wrote:
> On 2013-09-24 20:58:33 +0000, Your Name said:
>
>>
>> New models include:
>>
>> 21.5-inch
>> - $1299: 2.7 GHz quad-core i5 and Intel Iris Pro graphics
>> - $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT
>> 750M with 1 GB video memory
>>
>> 27-inch
>> - $1799: 3.2 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA
>> GeForce GT 755M with 1 GB video memory
>> - $1999: 3.4 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA
>> GeForce GTX 775M with 2 GB video memory
>>
>>
>
> Anybody else notice the lowest-end model uses integrated graphics? A
> desktop without a graphics card- now that's something.
And the others use "laptop" level graphics. The intel graphics are
quite decent - esp. for a lower end Mac that's not going to be used much
for graphics.
Even the i7 / 3.4 GHz iMac (2012) with the 2 GB memory has a "laptop"
grade graphics processor in it (Geforce GTX 680MX). 16 lane PCIe to
pump the data in. I don't think the 2013 v. is much better.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 09:48 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <290920130948253162%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49121 |
In article <PICdneQ7Hboz3trPnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2013.09.28 16:36 , Michael Savich wrote: > > On 2013-09-24 20:58:33 +0000, Your Name said: > >> > >> New models include: > >> > >> 21.5-inch > >> - $1299: 2.7 GHz quad-core i5 and Intel Iris Pro graphics > >> - $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT > >> 750M with 1 GB video memory > >> > >> 27-inch > >> - $1799: 3.2 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA > >> GeForce GT 755M with 1 GB video memory > >> - $1999: 3.4 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA > >> GeForce GTX 775M with 2 GB video memory > > > > Anybody else notice the lowest-end model uses integrated graphics? A > > desktop without a graphics card- now that's something. > > And the others use "laptop" level graphics. The intel graphics are > quite decent - esp. for a lower end Mac that's not going to be used much > for graphics. > > Even the i7 / 3.4 GHz iMac (2012) with the 2 GB memory has a "laptop" > grade graphics processor in it (Geforce GTX 680MX). 16 lane PCIe to > pump the data in. I don't think the 2013 v. is much better. In many ways iMacs are basically just vertical laptops due to the limited space. The new Mac Pro will have similar problems since it can no longer fit a full size PCI-style card. At best it will require custom-made garphics cards or a separate Thunderbolt connected add-on box with PCI slots (which you can already buy).
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-28 18:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <KIWdnWs6Xt5cztrPnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49123 |
On 2013.09.28 17:48 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <PICdneQ7Hboz3trPnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2013.09.28 16:36 , Michael Savich wrote:
>>> On 2013-09-24 20:58:33 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>>
>>>> New models include:
>>>>
>>>> 21.5-inch
>>>> - $1299: 2.7 GHz quad-core i5 and Intel Iris Pro graphics
>>>> - $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT
>>>> 750M with 1 GB video memory
>>>>
>>>> 27-inch
>>>> - $1799: 3.2 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA
>>>> GeForce GT 755M with 1 GB video memory
>>>> - $1999: 3.4 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA
>>>> GeForce GTX 775M with 2 GB video memory
>>>
>>> Anybody else notice the lowest-end model uses integrated graphics? A
>>> desktop without a graphics card- now that's something.
>>
>> And the others use "laptop" level graphics. The intel graphics are
>> quite decent - esp. for a lower end Mac that's not going to be used much
>> for graphics.
>>
>> Even the i7 / 3.4 GHz iMac (2012) with the 2 GB memory has a "laptop"
>> grade graphics processor in it (Geforce GTX 680MX). 16 lane PCIe to
>> pump the data in. I don't think the 2013 v. is much better.
>
> In many ways iMacs are basically just vertical laptops due to the
> limited space.
Silly ass Johnny Ive again.
Really NO need at all for the slimness of the latest iMacs (late 2012) -
or for that matter since the first intel iMacs.
>
> The new Mac Pro will have similar problems since it can no longer fit a
> full size PCI-style card. At best it will require custom-made garphics
> cards or a separate Thunderbolt connected add-on box with PCI slots
> (which you can already buy).
Look at the Mac Pro breakout on the Apple site. The graphics chips
(which are very high end) are custom mounted (by Apple I assume).
If you bought PCI boards for those chips you would pay $3000. Each.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 11:45 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <290920131145532688%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49125 |
In article <KIWdnWs6Xt5cztrPnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2013.09.28 17:48 , Your Name wrote: > > In article <PICdneQ7Hboz3trPnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> On 2013.09.28 16:36 , Michael Savich wrote: > >>> On 2013-09-24 20:58:33 +0000, Your Name said: > >>>> > >>>> New models include: > >>>> > >>>> 21.5-inch > >>>> - $1299: 2.7 GHz quad-core i5 and Intel Iris Pro graphics > >>>> - $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT > >>>> 750M with 1 GB video memory > >>>> > >>>> 27-inch > >>>> - $1799: 3.2 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA > >>>> GeForce GT 755M with 1 GB video memory > >>>> - $1999: 3.4 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA > >>>> GeForce GTX 775M with 2 GB video memory > >>> > >>> Anybody else notice the lowest-end model uses integrated graphics? A > >>> desktop without a graphics card- now that's something. > >> > >> And the others use "laptop" level graphics. The intel graphics are > >> quite decent - esp. for a lower end Mac that's not going to be used much > >> for graphics. > >> > >> Even the i7 / 3.4 GHz iMac (2012) with the 2 GB memory has a "laptop" > >> grade graphics processor in it (Geforce GTX 680MX). 16 lane PCIe to > >> pump the data in. I don't think the 2013 v. is much better. > > > > In many ways iMacs are basically just vertical laptops due to the > > limited space. > > Silly ass Johnny Ive again. > > Really NO need at all for the slimness of the latest iMacs (late 2012) - > or for that matter since the first intel iMacs. Technically the latest iMac design isn't really much, if any, slimmer than the previous one. It is only at the edges that it appears to be slimmer, which is rather pointless. It still takes up just as much depth, so still needs to be just as far away from the wall or whatever behind it. No doubt part of the reason for removing the optical drive (as well as pushing usesr to cloud-based software installing) could well have been to avoid the whole "why not a Blu-ray drive" issue yet again. > > The new Mac Pro will have similar problems since it can no longer fit a > > full size PCI-style card. At best it will require custom-made graphics > > cards or a separate Thunderbolt connected add-on box with PCI slots > > (which you can already buy). > > Look at the Mac Pro breakout on the Apple site. The graphics chips > (which are very high end) are custom mounted (by Apple I assume). > > If you bought PCI boards for those chips you would pay $3000. Each. True, it doesn't have a "laptop grade graphics processor". I left a word out there - it should have said the new Mac Pro having similar *upgrade* problems to the iMac.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 07:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <34KdnRWr15EokNXPnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49127 |
On 2013.09.28 19:45 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <KIWdnWs6Xt5cztrPnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2013.09.28 17:48 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <PICdneQ7Hboz3trPnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2013.09.28 16:36 , Michael Savich wrote:
>>>>> On 2013-09-24 20:58:33 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New models include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 21.5-inch
>>>>>> - $1299: 2.7 GHz quad-core i5 and Intel Iris Pro graphics
>>>>>> - $1499: 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel i5 and NVIDIA GeForce GT
>>>>>> 750M with 1 GB video memory
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 27-inch
>>>>>> - $1799: 3.2 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA
>>>>>> GeForce GT 755M with 1 GB video memory
>>>>>> - $1999: 3.4 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 and NVIDIA
>>>>>> GeForce GTX 775M with 2 GB video memory
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody else notice the lowest-end model uses integrated graphics? A
>>>>> desktop without a graphics card- now that's something.
>>>>
>>>> And the others use "laptop" level graphics. The intel graphics are
>>>> quite decent - esp. for a lower end Mac that's not going to be used much
>>>> for graphics.
>>>>
>>>> Even the i7 / 3.4 GHz iMac (2012) with the 2 GB memory has a "laptop"
>>>> grade graphics processor in it (Geforce GTX 680MX). 16 lane PCIe to
>>>> pump the data in. I don't think the 2013 v. is much better.
>>>
>>> In many ways iMacs are basically just vertical laptops due to the
>>> limited space.
>>
>> Silly ass Johnny Ive again.
>>
>> Really NO need at all for the slimness of the latest iMacs (late 2012) -
>> or for that matter since the first intel iMacs.
>
> Technically the latest iMac design isn't really much, if any, slimmer
> than the previous one. It is only at the edges that it appears to be
> slimmer, which is rather pointless. It still takes up just as much
> depth, so still needs to be just as far away from the wall or whatever
> behind it.
>
> No doubt part of the reason for removing the optical drive (as well as
> pushing usesr to cloud-based software installing) could well have been
> to avoid the whole "why not a Blu-ray drive" issue yet again.
>
>
>
>
>>> The new Mac Pro will have similar problems since it can no longer fit a
>>> full size PCI-style card. At best it will require custom-made graphics
>>> cards or a separate Thunderbolt connected add-on box with PCI slots
>>> (which you can already buy).
>>
>> Look at the Mac Pro breakout on the Apple site. The graphics chips
>> (which are very high end) are custom mounted (by Apple I assume).
>>
>> If you bought PCI boards for those chips you would pay $3000. Each.
>
> True, it doesn't have a "laptop grade graphics processor". I left a
> word out there - it should have said the new Mac Pro having similar
> *upgrade* problems to the iMac.
You can upgrade the memory. That's about it. Would appear that any
further upgrades would be outside (storage, perhaps audio front ends).
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 13:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <l2a3ke$17i$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #49125 |
On 2013-09-28 22:10:08 +0000, Alan Browne said: > Silly ass Johnny Ive again. > > Really NO need at all for the slimness of the latest iMacs (late 2012) > - or for that matter since the first intel iMacs. Argh! Don't make me agree with you! But I do. I generally like a lot of what he brings to design - clean lines, simplicity, etc. But I think he's gone over the top with the 2012 iMac. In fact, when they came out, I immediately got myself a great deal on a factory refurb late 2011 iMac (under $1000). I think the 2011 was just about the perfect compromise - the DVD (which I am *not* ready to give up - I use mine all the time) and the SD slot are easily accessible but not noticable nor ugly. The various other connectors - USB, FW, TB -- I don't plug and unplug many of those very frequently, so having them in the back doesn't bother me. If I needed to plug and unplug more often, I'd really like to have one either front- or side- mounted, but there are ways to get that functionality easily enough. Meanwhile, it's still got a relatively easily (not easily enough, IMO) hard drive (also glossing over the issue of the custom controller/temperature issue), and very easily accessible memory. The 2012 did away with a *lot*, starting with the DVD, but going down the road to making the screen attach in such a way that opening the machine up is a very bad idea, and making the RAM and HD pretty completely inaccessible. Admittedly, I rarely change the RAM (but I'm very glad I was able to add market-priced RAM to my 2011), but I swapped out the HD on my previous iMac at least 4 or 5 times due either to failures or to replacing with larger or faster drives. They've really made it about as un-maintain/upgradable as the MacBookAir now. I don't think this is an improvement. The only thing I miss on my 2011 versus the 2012 and 2013 is USB3. The incremental improvement in CPU speed is not huge (the newest may be 1.3x as fast as mine?), meanwhile, should I be interested in doing so, I can easily stick a very reasonably priced standard model SSD into my 2011 and that would probably make every day activities on the thing seem blazingly fast. I do like that the 2012 is lighter and runs cooler. But I don't think the tradeoffs, overall, were worth it. I really love my 2011. In fact, I have two 2011s (I'd bought one for my office about 6 months before the 2012s were released, in addition to the one I got just after the 2012s were released - I'd been waiting to see what they did and when I saw, it was an easy choice.)
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 17:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <EaOdnW4h_auNP9XPnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49160 |
On 2013.09.29 16:47 , Bread wrote:
> On 2013-09-28 22:10:08 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
>> Silly ass Johnny Ive again.
>>
>> Really NO need at all for the slimness of the latest iMacs (late 2012)
>> - or for that matter since the first intel iMacs.
>
> Argh! Don't make me agree with you! But I do. I generally like a lot
> of what he brings to design - clean lines, simplicity, etc.
>
> But I think he's gone over the top with the 2012 iMac. In fact, when
> they came out, I immediately got myself a great deal on a factory refurb
> late 2011 iMac (under $1000).
>
> I think the 2011 was just about the perfect compromise - the DVD (which
> I am *not* ready to give up - I use mine all the time) and the SD slot
I use an ASUS external drive though I need to plug it into 2 USB ports
to get enough juice to run it. I don't use SD but putting it where it
is for the sake of Johnny Ive in the Reality Distortion Field comfort is
actually very poor design putting form way beyond function.
He needs a good slap in the face, frankly.
> are easily accessible but not noticable nor ugly. The various other
> connectors - USB, FW, TB -- I don't plug and unplug many of those very
> frequently, so having them in the back doesn't bother me. If I needed
> to plug and unplug more often, I'd really like to have one either front-
> or side- mounted, but there are ways to get that functionality easily
> enough. Meanwhile, it's still got a relatively easily (not easily
> enough, IMO) hard drive (also glossing over the issue of the custom
> controller/temperature issue), and very easily accessible memory.
I have cheapish USB hub from which I have open lines running out to my
camera CF card reader, GPS recorder, keyboard receiver (Logitech) and
iPhone. Sometimes when the iPhone is attached it will crash other USB
devices (esp. the keyboard) - or rather that was on the old iMac -
haven't seen it happen yet on this one.
> The 2012 did away with a *lot*, starting with the DVD, but going down
> the road to making the screen attach in such a way that opening the
> machine up is a very bad idea, and making the RAM and HD pretty
On the 27" the RAM is VERY accessible - there's a hatch on the back with
a release inside the power socket (nice touch). You pop it open, change
the RAM around as required and snap it all together again.
The HD requires removing the front (glued on) and digging out, board by
board. Then of course you have to glue it all back in place in the end
- i FixIt (etc) have the teardowns online.
> completely inaccessible. Admittedly, I rarely change the RAM (but I'm
> very glad I was able to add market-priced RAM to my 2011), but I swapped
> out the HD on my previous iMac at least 4 or 5 times due either to
> failures or to replacing with larger or faster drives.
Just once on my 2007 iMac.
>
> They've really made it about as un-maintain/upgradable as the MacBookAir
> now. I don't think this is an improvement.
Agree.
>
> The only thing I miss on my 2011 versus the 2012 and 2013 is USB3. The
> incremental improvement in CPU speed is not huge (the newest may be 1.3x
> as fast as mine?), meanwhile, should I be interested in doing so, I can
> easily stick a very reasonably priced standard model SSD into my 2011
> and that would probably make every day activities on the thing seem
> blazingly fast.
Should do the job.
>
> I do like that the 2012 is lighter and runs cooler. But I don't think
> the tradeoffs, overall, were worth it. I really love my 2011. In fact,
> I have two 2011s (I'd bought one for my office about 6 months before the
> 2012s were released, in addition to the one I got just after the 2012s
> were released - I'd been waiting to see what they did and when I saw, it
> was an easy choice.)
The delta between the late 2012 and late 2013 is estimated to be a mere
3% faster (i7) on average (some things are a little quicker), so getting
the refurbed late 2012 is a good deal - and the delta more than pays for
the memory I ordered (additional 16 GB) I'll be at 24 GB or 4x more RAM
than my prior iMac.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 19:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5248b4d4$0$49610$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #49164 |
On 13-09-29 17:56, Alan Browne wrote: > I don't use SD but putting it where it > is for the sake of Johnny Ive in the Reality Distortion Field comfort is > actually very poor design putting form way beyond function. > > He needs a good slap in the face, frankly. He's not gonna get one. When Cook fired Forstall, Ive was basically made Jobs V2.0 (aka God). I doubt anyone within Apple has the guts to criticise Jony Ive at this point in time. With regards to Imac, I suspect Ive may have provided a solution to Cook, but Cook ruled that additional manufacturing costs to make SD card slot accessible not worth it. So it went in the back, directly connected to the motherboard. When you look at the new MacPro, the initial feeling may be "it's a closed architecture like iMac, not expandable for the sake of letting Ive go nuts on design" and scaring professionals away from it. BUT, once you remove emotion, what if the new MacPro has everything you need inside which greatly reduces the chances you ever need to add to it ? > >> are easily accessible but not noticable nor ugly. The various other >> connectors - USB, FW, TB -- I don't plug and unplug many of those very >> frequently, so having them in the back doesn't bother me. If I needed >> to plug and unplug more often, I'd really like to have one either front- >> or side- mounted, but there are ways to get that functionality easily >> enough. Meanwhile, it's still got a relatively easily (not easily >> enough, IMO) hard drive (also glossing over the issue of the custom >> controller/temperature issue), and very easily accessible memory. > > I have cheapish USB hub from which I have open lines running out to my > camera CF card reader, GPS recorder, keyboard receiver (Logitech) and > iPhone. Sometimes when the iPhone is attached it will crash other USB > devices (esp. the keyboard) - or rather that was on the old iMac - > haven't seen it happen yet on this one. > >> The 2012 did away with a *lot*, starting with the DVD, but going down >> the road to making the screen attach in such a way that opening the >> machine up is a very bad idea, and making the RAM and HD pretty > > On the 27" the RAM is VERY accessible - there's a hatch on the back with > a release inside the power socket (nice touch). You pop it open, change > the RAM around as required and snap it all together again. > > The HD requires removing the front (glued on) and digging out, board by > board. Then of course you have to glue it all back in place in the end > - i FixIt (etc) have the teardowns online. > >> completely inaccessible. Admittedly, I rarely change the RAM (but I'm >> very glad I was able to add market-priced RAM to my 2011), but I swapped >> out the HD on my previous iMac at least 4 or 5 times due either to >> failures or to replacing with larger or faster drives. > > Just once on my 2007 iMac. > > >> >> They've really made it about as un-maintain/upgradable as the MacBookAir >> now. I don't think this is an improvement. > > Agree. > >> >> The only thing I miss on my 2011 versus the 2012 and 2013 is USB3. The >> incremental improvement in CPU speed is not huge (the newest may be 1.3x >> as fast as mine?), meanwhile, should I be interested in doing so, I can >> easily stick a very reasonably priced standard model SSD into my 2011 >> and that would probably make every day activities on the thing seem >> blazingly fast. > > Should do the job. > >> >> I do like that the 2012 is lighter and runs cooler. But I don't think >> the tradeoffs, overall, were worth it. I really love my 2011. In fact, >> I have two 2011s (I'd bought one for my office about 6 months before the >> 2012s were released, in addition to the one I got just after the 2012s >> were released - I'd been waiting to see what they did and when I saw, it >> was an easy choice.) > > The delta between the late 2012 and late 2013 is estimated to be a mere > 3% faster (i7) on average (some things are a little quicker), so getting > the refurbed late 2012 is a good deal - and the delta more than pays for > the memory I ordered (additional 16 GB) I'll be at 24 GB or 4x more RAM > than my prior iMac. > > >
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-30 13:27 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <300920131327558510%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49167 |
In article <5248b4d4$0$49610$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-09-29 17:56, Alan Browne wrote: > > > > I don't use SD but putting it where it is for the sake of > > Johnny Ive in the Reality Distortion Field comfort is > > actually very poor design putting form way beyond function. > > > > He needs a good slap in the face, frankly. > > He's not gonna get one. When Cook fired Forstall, Ive was basically > made Jobs V2.0 (aka God). > > I doubt anyone within Apple has the guts to criticise Jony Ive at > this point in time. Unfortunately that's true, and it's looking more and more like it has gone to his head. :-( > With regards to Imac, I suspect Ive may have provided a solution to > Cook, but Cook ruled that additional manufacturing costs to make SD > card slot accessible not worth it. So it went in the back, directly > connected to the motherboard. The card slot is likely to be the next thing to be removed. Few people use fiddle about with the silly little cards - they simply plug the camera in via a USB cable, or these days more cameras are coming with wireless connection capabilities. > When you look at the new MacPro, the initial feeling may be "it's a > closed architecture like iMac, not expandable for the sake of letting > Ive go nuts on design" and scaring professionals away from it. > > BUT, once you remove emotion, what if the new MacPro has everything > you need inside which greatly reduces the chances you ever need to > add to it ? The Mac Pro was meant to be for professionals and they're more likely to want to upgrade video cards, add PCI cards, extra drives, etc. which they will now have to do via an external Thunderbolt box, at best. This image was created by someone showing the current aluminium Mac Pro and the new tub Mac Pro with the same added extras. <http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013. jpg>
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 20:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49169 |
On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
> jpg
Love it! Thanks.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-30 16:44 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49172 |
In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote: > > http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013. > > jpg > > Love it! Thanks. It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.). :-)
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-30 16:45 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <300920131645140232%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49175 |
In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > > On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote: > > > http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013. > > > jpg > > > > Love it! Thanks. > > It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where > both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.). :-) D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help. :-\ <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708 07.jpg>
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