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  Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@holder.com> - 2018-12-29 03:46 +0000
    Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-12-29 12:37 -0500
      Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2018-12-30 16:34 +0000
        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-04 20:39 +0000
          Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-04 13:39 -0800
            Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-04 22:34 +0000
              Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-04 15:01 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-05 14:24 +0000
                  Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 12:32 -0800
                    Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-05 20:52 +0000
                      Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 12:53 -0800
                        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-05 20:59 +0000
                          Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 13:28 -0800
                            Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-06 00:17 +0000
                              Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 16:30 -0800
                                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-06 04:53 +0000
                                  Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-05 21:49 -0800
                                    Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-06 10:26 +0000
                                      Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-06 10:13 -0800
                                        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-07 18:34 +0000
                                          Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-07 10:42 -0800
                                            Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-07 18:58 +0000
                                              Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-07 11:06 -0800
                                                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-01-07 15:29 -0500
                                                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-08 01:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-08 16:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-08 09:57 -0800
                                                      Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-08 20:12 +0000
                                                        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-08 12:17 -0800
                                                          Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-08 22:07 +0000
                                                            Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-08 23:23 +0000
              Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2019-01-07 17:21 -0600
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-07 18:31 -0500
                  Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-07 15:43 -0800
                Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-08 01:44 +0000
      Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-07 15:50 -0500
        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-01-07 14:11 -0800
        Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-08 14:06 -0500
          Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-08 20:12 +0000
          Re: Netflix permanently pulls iTunes billing for new users Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-08 20:10 -0500

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#120263

On 2019-01-07 10:34 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 10:13:34 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> The last line there is NOT a fact.
> 
> Play your silly games, Alan Baker.

How is pointing out that you knowingly posted as fact something that was 
untrue...

(What us normal adults call "lying", BTW)

...a "silly game".

> 
> I only care about actual facts.

Yet you posted this:

'o Neflix was the top grossing iOS app'
  o Netflix grossed $853 million in 2018 on the iOS App Store
  o Apple¢s take would have been around $256 million'

And you (implicitly) knew that the last line there was not a fact.

> For example, this post has another cite on subscription revenue facts:
> o Changes are coming in both Google & Apple subscription revenue models
>   <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eptvfMa3V_Y>
> 
> Here's a copy of that post in its entirety...
> Changes are coming in both Google & Apple subscription revenue models.
> (apparently)
> 
> Given these are big changes in subscription models in a short time...
> What other observations of change do you notice in app subscription models?
> 
> Netflix completely dropped out of each market only recently:
> o Netflix dropped out of the Google Play store in May 2018
> o Netflix dropped out of the iTunes App Store in December 2018
> 
> I was looking up the Netflix numbers where this article shows the top ten
> grossing apps on both iOS and Android - which - interestingly - have huge
> differences and yet - some similarities ...
> <https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-for-new-users/>
> 
> *iOS App Store Revenue: *
> 1. Netflix
> 2. Fortnite
> 3. Candy Crush Saga
> 4. YouTube
> 5. Tinder
> 6. Pandora
> 7. Roblox
> 8. Clash of Clans
> 9. Hulu
> 10. Marvel COC
> 
> *Android Google Play Revenue:*
> 3 -> 1. Candy Crush Saga
> 2. Pokemon GO
> 6->3. Pandora
> 8->4. Clash of Clans
> 5<->5. Tinder
> 6. Slotomania
> 7. Toon Blast
> 8. Candy Crush Soda
> 9. Google One
> 10. FFXV: New Empire
> 
> I'm not sure what percentage Netflix pays, as there are 3 possibilities:
> o 30% the first year, and 15% thereafter
> o 15% the first year and thereafter
> o Negotiated percentages (which one would assume is the situation)
> 
> This article supports the 30% for the first year numbers:
> <https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/21/17764424/netflix-feature-bypass-apples-app-store-fees>
>   "Netflix and other apps currently pay Apple 30 percent of a
>     userˆ first subscription and 15 percent for renewals. "
> 
> Yet this article said the app store percentage is now 15%:
> <https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-for-new-users/>
>    "Apple and Google charge 15 percent on each in-app subscription
>     on their platforms. The two used to take a 30 percent cut, but in
>     the past two years have slashed their ask."
> 
> As of today, it's now 0% for Netflix subscriptions (for new subscribers).
> 
> Given these are big changes in subscription models in a short time...
> What other observations of change do you notice in app subscription models?

The article YOU CHOSE as an authority told you that the model was 30% in 
the first year, but 15% after that year.

But you chose to ignore that fact.

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#120265

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 10:42:19 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> (What us normal adults call "lying", BTW)

*You certainly love to incessantly play silly childish games, Alan Baker.*

Here is verbatim what "phonearena" said on December 28th, 2018:
 <https://www.phonearena.com/news/Netflix-no-longer-allows-new-or-rejoining-iOS-users-to-make-in-app-payments_id112304>
 "If you're curious why Netflix is doing this, it is because Apple (like
Google) takes a 15% cut of subscription revenue generated in-app in the App
Store (down from 30% a couple of years ago)."

Here's verbatim what Investorplace said on August 22, 2018:
 <https://investorplace.com/2018/08/netflix-pokes-apple-tests-bypassing-app-store-subscription-payments/>
 "If the company is looking for ways to cut costs, eliminating Apple┬ cut
on in-app subscriptions is a tempting target. AAPL currently takes 30% of
Netflix subscription fees for the first year, and 15% for subsequent
years."

Likewise, on August 25, 2018, here's what Fool.com said, verbatim:
 <https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/08/25/netflix-doesnt-want-to-pay-apples-app-store-tax-an.aspx>
 "Apple currently takes a 30% cut of a user's first subscription and a 15%
cut on future renewals. With Netflix ranking as the third-highest grossing
app in the App Store, the new feature could take a serious bite out of
Apple's growing services business."

And, what Techcrunch said on August 21st, 2018, verbatim:
 <https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/21/netflix-itunes-2/>
  "Changing the billing to a direct format means that Netflix bypasses
giving Google and Apple a cut on those subscriptions. Currently, Apple
takes a 30 percent cut on the first year of a subscription, which goes down
to 15 percent for subsequent years."

If your facts, Alan Baker, are _different_, then simply show your cites.

HINT: Alan Baker ... is it ever possible for you to act like an adult?

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#120266

On 2019-01-07 10:58 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 10:42:19 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> (What us normal adults call "lying", BTW)
> 
> *You certainly love to incessantly play silly childish games, Alan Baker.*

Which is why you keep snipping my text, rather than addressing it.

> 
> Here is verbatim what "phonearena" said on December 28th, 2018:
>   <https://www.phonearena.com/news/Netflix-no-longer-allows-new-or-rejoining-iOS-users-to-make-in-app-payments_id112304>
>   "If you're curious why Netflix is doing this, it is because Apple (like
> Google) takes a 15% cut of subscription revenue generated in-app in the App
> Store (down from 30% a couple of years ago)."

So that proves your original post to be false.

> 
> Here's verbatim what Investorplace said on August 22, 2018:
>   <https://investorplace.com/2018/08/netflix-pokes-apple-tests-bypassing-app-store-subscription-payments/>
>   "If the company is looking for ways to cut costs, eliminating Apple¢s cut
> on in-app subscriptions is a tempting target. AAPL currently takes 30% of
> Netflix subscription fees for the first year, and 15% for subsequent
> years."

Which also proves your first post false.

> 
> Likewise, on August 25, 2018, here's what Fool.com said, verbatim:
>   <https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/08/25/netflix-doesnt-want-to-pay-apples-app-store-tax-an.aspx>
>   "Apple currently takes a 30% cut of a user's first subscription and a 15%
> cut on future renewals. With Netflix ranking as the third-highest grossing
> app in the App Store, the new feature could take a serious bite out of
> Apple's growing services business."

And again.

> 
> And, what Techcrunch said on August 21st, 2018, verbatim:
>   <https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/21/netflix-itunes-2/>
>    "Changing the billing to a direct format means that Netflix bypasses
> giving Google and Apple a cut on those subscriptions. Currently, Apple
> takes a 30 percent cut on the first year of a subscription, which goes down
> to 15 percent for subsequent years."
> 
> If your facts, Alan Baker, are _different_, then simply show your cites.

Those are the facts I explained to YOU in my very first post, child:

'Whereby "caveats" you mean "facts" that you've just chosen to ignore...

...such as this:

'Note, however, that Sensor Tower’s figures are based on the App Store’s 
30 percent cut of transactions. After the first year, Apple’s cut on 
subscription renewals is lowered to 15 percent.'

That's not a caveat... ...that's a huge lie by omission.'

It is literally the first thing that I told you.

In fact, it's the ONLY thing I've told you in this thread, and you've 
chosen to ignore it...

...over...

...and over...

...and over...

...and over...

> 
> HINT: Alan Baker ... is it ever possible for you to act like an adult?
You mean by omitting relevant facts, like you would?

:-)

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#120267

On 1/7/19 2:06 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2019-01-07 10:58 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 10:42:19 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>> (What us normal adults call "lying", BTW)
>>
>> *You certainly love to incessantly play silly childish games, Alan 
>> Baker.*
> 
> Which is why you keep snipping my text, rather than addressing it.
> 
>>
>> Here is verbatim what "phonearena" said on December 28th, 2018:
>>   
>> <https://www.phonearena.com/news/Netflix-no-longer-allows-new-or-rejoining-iOS-users-to-make-in-app-payments_id112304> 
>>
>>   "If you're curious why Netflix is doing this, it is because Apple (like
>> Google) takes a 15% cut of subscription revenue generated in-app in 
>> the App
>> Store (down from 30% a couple of years ago)."
> 
> So that proves your original post to be false.
> 
>>
>> Here's verbatim what Investorplace said on August 22, 2018:
>>   
>> <https://investorplace.com/2018/08/netflix-pokes-apple-tests-bypassing-app-store-subscription-payments/> 
>>
>>   "If the company is looking for ways to cut costs, eliminating 
>> Apple¢s cut
>> on in-app subscriptions is a tempting target. AAPL currently takes 30% of
>> Netflix subscription fees for the first year, and 15% for subsequent
>> years."
> 
> Which also proves your first post false.
> 
>>
>> Likewise, on August 25, 2018, here's what Fool.com said, verbatim:
>>   
>> <https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/08/25/netflix-doesnt-want-to-pay-apples-app-store-tax-an.aspx> 
>>
>>   "Apple currently takes a 30% cut of a user's first subscription and 
>> a 15%
>> cut on future renewals. With Netflix ranking as the third-highest 
>> grossing
>> app in the App Store, the new feature could take a serious bite out of
>> Apple's growing services business."
> 
> And again.
> 
>>
>> And, what Techcrunch said on August 21st, 2018, verbatim:
>>   <https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/21/netflix-itunes-2/>
>>    "Changing the billing to a direct format means that Netflix bypasses
>> giving Google and Apple a cut on those subscriptions. Currently, Apple
>> takes a 30 percent cut on the first year of a subscription, which goes 
>> down
>> to 15 percent for subsequent years."
>>
>> If your facts, Alan Baker, are _different_, then simply show your cites.
> 
> Those are the facts I explained to YOU in my very first post, child:
> 
> 'Whereby "caveats" you mean "facts" that you've just chosen to ignore...
> 
> ...such as this:
> 
> 'Note, however, that Sensor Tower’s figures are based on the App Store’s 
> 30 percent cut of transactions. After the first year, Apple’s cut on 
> subscription renewals is lowered to 15 percent.'
> 
> That's not a caveat... ...that's a huge lie by omission.'
> 
> It is literally the first thing that I told you.
> 
> In fact, it's the ONLY thing I've told you in this thread, and you've 
> chosen to ignore it...
> 
> ...over...
> 
> ...and over...
> 
> ...and over...
> 
> ...and over...
> 
>>
>> HINT: Alan Baker ... is it ever possible for you to act like an adult?
> You mean by omitting relevant facts, like you would?
> 
> :-)

You two should get a room or start a comedy act.

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#120291

On 2019-01-07, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2019-01-07 10:58 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 10:42:19 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>> 
>>> (What us normal adults call "lying", BTW)
>> 
>> *You certainly love to incessantly play silly childish games, Alan Baker.*
>
> Which is why you keep snipping my text, rather than addressing it.

All he can do is run from the truth. It's pathetic.

>> If your facts, Alan Baker, are _different_, then simply show your cites.
>
> Those are the facts I explained to YOU in my very first post, child:
>
> 'Whereby "caveats" you mean "facts" that you've just chosen to ignore...
>
> ...such as this:
>
> 'Note, however, that Sensor Tower’s figures are based on the App Store’s 
> 30 percent cut of transactions. After the first year, Apple’s cut on 
> subscription renewals is lowered to 15 percent.'
>
> That's not a caveat... ...that's a huge lie by omission.'
>
> It is literally the first thing that I told you.
>
> In fact, it's the ONLY thing I've told you in this thread, and you've 
> chosen to ignore it...
>
> ...over...
>
> ...and over...
>
> ...and over...
>
> ...and over...

He HAS to ignore it; otherwise his shitty delusional world would crash
down. He's a cornered shithead troll.

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#120305

On 8 Jan 2019 01:43:00 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> He HAS to ignore it; otherwise his shitty delusional world would crash
> down. He's a cornered shithead troll.

I love when you post Jolly Roger, I really do.
You can never post anything of any on-topic technical value.

*You have no technical knowledge whatsoever Jolly Roger.*
I don't have to prove anything when you post - as you prove it all.

Not only do you prove that you can never add a single iota of value.
You give us a perfect glimpse into how your mind works, with every post.

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#120306

On 2019-01-08 8:43 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2019 01:43:00 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> He HAS to ignore it; otherwise his shitty delusional world would crash
>> down. He's a cornered shithead troll.
> 
> I love when you post Jolly Roger, I really do.
> You can never post anything of any on-topic technical value.
> 
> *You have no technical knowledge whatsoever Jolly Roger.*
> I don't have to prove anything when you post - as you prove it all.
> 
> Not only do you prove that you can never add a single iota of value.
> You give us a perfect glimpse into how your mind works, with every post.
> 

Let's try and remain focused on the fact that you posted as "fact" 
something that either you knew to be untrue—a lie...

...or were too ignorant to understand was wrong.

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#120311

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:57:55 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> Let's try and remain focused on the fact that you posted as "fact" 
> something that either you knew to be untrue—a lie...

What's interesting is that Jolly Roger posted childish drivel.
He didn't post a _single_ iota of added technical value to this thread.
(HINT: He can't.)

Now, let's look at you, Alan Baker.
How many tidbits of added technical value did _you_ add Alan Baker?

For example, out of all your posts, how many unique "cites" did you add?
(HINT: none.)

The point is that I don't have to prove that you add no value, Alan Baker.
You do that for me.

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#120312

On 2019-01-08 12:12 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:57:55 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> Let's try and remain focused on the fact that you posted as "fact"
>> something that either you knew to be untrue¡Xa lie...
> 
> What's interesting is that Jolly Roger posted childish drivel.
> He didn't post a _single_ iota of added technical value to this thread.
> (HINT: He can't.)
> 
> Now, let's look at you, Alan Baker.
> How many tidbits of added technical value did _you_ add Alan Baker?

One. That you were wrong and it is most likely because you lied.

It is of great value to others here to know that you will lie to make a 
point.

And just FYI, you posted no "tidbits" of TECHNICAL value in your 
original post...

...because how much Apple is or is not being paid is NOT a technical issue.

> 
> For example, out of all your posts, how many unique "cites" did you add?
> (HINT: none.)
> 
> The point is that I don't have to prove that you add no value, Alan Baker.
> You do that for me.
> 

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#120314

On 2019-01-08, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2019-01-08 12:12 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:57:55 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>> 
>>> Let's try and remain focused on the fact that you posted as "fact"
>>> something that either you knew to be untrue¡Xa lie...
>> 
>> What's interesting is that Jolly Roger posted childish drivel.
>> He didn't post a _single_ iota of added technical value to this thread.
>> (HINT: He can't.)

LOL! He's obsessed with me. Awwww... How cute!

>> Now, let's look at you, Alan Baker.
>> How many tidbits of added technical value did _you_ add Alan Baker?
>
> One. That you were wrong and it is most likely because you lied.
>
> It is of great value to others here to know that you will lie to make a 
> point.

The parallels he has to Trump and his ilk are very real.

> And just FYI, you posted no "tidbits" of TECHNICAL value in your 
> original post...
>
> ...because how much Apple is or is not being paid is NOT a technical issue.

Oopsie!

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#120316

On 8 Jan 2019 22:07:36 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> LOL! He's obsessed with me. Awwww... How cute!

I've always said I love when you post, Jolly Roger.
That's because you have exactly the mentality of the average iOS user.
o You "think" you know something about iOS 
o But you _always_ prove to be dead wrong about iOS
(It has happened so many times, that you're PERFECT as an average user!)

You have the same mentality as any teenager who pines for an Phone.
o They "think" they know what an iPhone can do, 
o And yet, they know absolutely nothing about iOS.

You've been caught fabricating iOS functionality for years, Jolly Roger.
The difference with you is that you actually _believe_ your fabrications!
o Why Apple Apologists deny facts & habitually fabricate imaginary content
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eRTC23FyVDY/fDk0k8KAAwAJ>

Hence everything you post, Jolly Roger, is interesting to me.
Everything.

*Your posts provide a perfect look into the mind of an average iOS user!*

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#120282

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 22:34:27 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> 
wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 13:39:04 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> ...and to lie when it is so easily caught.
>
> It's an extremely safe assumption that you're an utter idiot, Alan 
> Baker. Everything you write proves it - so I don't even have to.
>
> I quoted the facts & mentioned caveats & pointed people to the 
> article. And then, you, an utter idiot, claim I'm "easily caught". 
> Simply for stating the facts.
>
> *Everything you write, Alan Baker, proves you're an utter moron.* If 
> you're an average iOS user, Alan Baker, then that explains everything.

Ah, sad little arlen holder.  Trying to troll Apple users and not even 
being very good at that.  You didn't wiggle out of being caught, no 
matter what you want to think about it.  You're a mediocre excuse for a 
troll and emblematic of how far Usenet has fallen.

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#120285

On 2019-01-07 18:21, Tim McNamara wrote:

> Ah, sad little

Why oxygenate it?


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#120286

On 2019-01-07 3:31 p.m., Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2019-01-07 18:21, Tim McNamara wrote:
> 
>> Ah, sad little
> 
> Why oxygenate it?
> 
> 

You mean as you just did?

Everyone always wants OTHER people to stop posting in particular threads.

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#120292

On 2019-01-07, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 22:34:27 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> 
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 13:39:04 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>> ...and to lie when it is so easily caught.
>>
>> It's an extremely safe assumption that you're an utter idiot, Alan 
>> Baker. Everything you write proves it - so I don't even have to.
>>
>> I quoted the facts & mentioned caveats & pointed people to the 
>> article. And then, you, an utter idiot, claim I'm "easily caught". 
>> Simply for stating the facts.
>>
>> *Everything you write, Alan Baker, proves you're an utter moron.* If 
>> you're an average iOS user, Alan Baker, then that explains everything.
>
> Ah, sad little arlen holder.  Trying to troll Apple users and not even 
> being very good at that.  You didn't wiggle out of being caught, no 
> matter what you want to think about it.  You're a mediocre excuse for a 
> troll and emblematic of how far Usenet has fallen.

Hey now... Don't insult Usenet like that. He's a genuine shithead troll
wherever he goes!

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#120268

On 2018-12-29 12:37, JF Mezei wrote:
> 
> I strongly suspect Netflix is big enough that it was able to negotiate

Simpler version:  I pay for Netflix via my credit card.  Don't need 
Apple to be between me and Netflix.  Nor does anyone else, actually.

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120273

On Jan 7, 2019, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<G-ednXw21YM4Jq7BnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 2018-12-29 12:37, JF Mezei wrote:
> >
> > I strongly suspect Netflix is big enough that it was able to negotiate
>
> Simpler version: I pay for Netflix via my credit card. Don't need
> Apple to be between me and Netflix. Nor does anyone else, actually.

Yup! I have always paid Netflix directly via my Amex card, never through 
Apple.

-- 
Regards,
Savageduck

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#120307

On 2019-01-07 15:50, Alan Browne wrote:

> Simpler version:  I pay for Netflix via my credit card.  Don't need 
> Apple to be between me and Netflix.  Nor does anyone else, actually.

Cue AppleTV.  That deal made it easier for people to subcribe "in app"
since Apple TV doesn't have a browser to let you subscribe separately
and then tie the Netflix App to your subscription.

Apple already has your payment info on file so no need to enter it, same
with phone, address etc.

So for someone with only AppleTV, there was some convenience to being
able to subscribe from within the Netflix App and use your existing
Apple credentials for payment info.

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#120310

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:06:55 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

> So for someone with only AppleTV, there was some convenience to being
> able to subscribe from within the Netflix App and use your existing
> Apple credentials for payment info.

I agree with you, and, surprisingly, with Savageduck & Alan Browne.

I recently gave Netflix as a Christmas gift, which we subscribed to over
the PlayStation using my credit card.

What's interesting to me is the marketing model that charges %15 of _every_
months' charges - when that 15% is so easily circumvented by the consumer.

Of course, the consumer doesn't _directly_ pay that %15, but there's no
doubt there is an indirect cost to the consumer of all the expenses Netflix
incurs.

Hence, what is super *surprising*, is that Netflix didn't do this sooner.
Also, I would be surprised if _other_ outfits don't follow suit.

The number 2 app on iOS is "Fortnite", whatever that is.
Do you see _them_ following suit?
-- 
<https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-for-new-users/>
*iOS App Store Revenue:*
1. Netflix
2. Fortnite
3. Candy Crush Saga
4. YouTube
5. Tinder
6. Pandora
7. Roblox
8. Clash of Clans
9. Hulu
10. Marvel COC

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#120319

On 2019-01-08 14:06, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2019-01-07 15:50, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
>> Simpler version:  I pay for Netflix via my credit card.  Don't need
>> Apple to be between me and Netflix.  Nor does anyone else, actually.
> 
> Cue AppleTV.  That deal made it easier for people to subcribe "in app"
> since Apple TV doesn't have a browser to let you subscribe separately
> and then tie the Netflix App to your subscription.

Like I give a flying fargle.  I watch Netflix via AppleTV very often and 
it's all charged directly to my CC every month.  For that all I had to 
do was enter a password on the AppleTV.

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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