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  Preserving X-RAY CD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-25 17:30 -0400
    Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-25 22:57 +0000
    Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-26 13:27 +1200
      Re: Preserving X-RAY CD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-25 23:24 -0400
    Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-26 02:01 +0000
      Re: Preserving X-RAY CD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-25 23:27 -0400
        Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-26 15:52 +0000
          Re: Preserving X-RAY CD ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-28 19:00 -0500
    Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Supermarine Spitfire <spitfire@spitfireflyinghigh.com> - 2018-09-26 10:45 +0100
      Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-26 10:31 +0000
    Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-09-26 07:47 -0700
      Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-26 15:59 +0000
        Re: Preserving X-RAY CD befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2018-09-27 08:32 +0200
          Re: Preserving X-RAY CD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-27 14:48 +0000

#118373 — Preserving X-RAY CD

I have a CD with the various X-rays taken after my accident in july.

At the file system level, most files have no extension and you need
special software to view the x-rays. They are DICOM images, and
Photoshop is able to somewhat open them if you tell it to look at any
file type.  Bridge treats them as binary documents.

This creates a path such as:

/Volumes/mezei jean-franc/DICOM/PA000000/ST000001/SE000001/IM000000
(where the last one is the actual image file)

What would be the recommended strategy to preserve this CD in usable
fashion on disk?

just drag/drop the volume into a folder?
create a .dmg?
other ?


The reason I ask is whether others had similar experiences and found one
way worked better than another with regards to using X-ray viewing
software or if one way has some "gotchas".


As well, if I wanted to make them more "usable", what extesion should
DICOM files have ? and would renaming these files to have an extesion
ruin the x-ray software's ability to index the files ?

Again, I ask in case someone has already done the tests and found the
best way to do this - if not, then I'll have to spend the time to test
various scenarios to see which work).

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#118380

In message <uNxqD.225599$YL3.58662@fx48.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> I have a CD with the various X-rays taken after my accident in july.

> At the file system level, most files have no extension and you need
> special software to view the x-rays. They are DICOM images, and
> Photoshop is able to somewhat open them if you tell it to look at any
> file type.  Bridge treats them as binary documents.

> This creates a path such as:

> /Volumes/mezei jean-franc/DICOM/PA000000/ST000001/SE000001/IM000000
> (where the last one is the actual image file)

> What would be the recommended strategy to preserve this CD in usable
> fashion on disk?

Convert the images.

DICOM is a weird format and the files might contain Images or Video, so
this is unlikely to be a straightforward process. Also, the files may
contain a great deal of personal information, so you should treat them
as you would bank accounts, investment accounts, and medical records.

You will need to examine the files to determine their exact content. You
might also need to build a custom ffmpeg to include the gdcm libraries.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DICOM>

> Again, I ask in case someone has already done the tests and found the
> best way to do this - if not, then I'll have to spend the time to test
> various scenarios to see which work).

It is a *horrible* format to work with. The spec document is 100 pages
long, not including suplements.

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#118385

On 2018-09-25 21:30:02 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> I have a CD with the various X-rays taken after my accident in july.
> 
> At the file system level, most files have no extension and you need
> special software to view the x-rays. They are DICOM images, and
> Photoshop is able to somewhat open them if you tell it to look at any
> file type.  Bridge treats them as binary documents.
> 
> This creates a path such as:
> 
> /Volumes/mezei jean-franc/DICOM/PA000000/ST000001/SE000001/IM000000
> (where the last one is the actual image file)
> 
> What would be the recommended strategy to preserve this CD in usable
> fashion on disk?
> 
> just drag/drop the volume into a folder?
> create a .dmg?
> other ?

If it's a normal Windows-style CD, then any usual backup method should 
be fine. As always, multiple backups would be best, and check them from 
time to time to make sure they're still usable.



> The reason I ask is whether others had similar experiences and found one
> way worked better than another with regards to using X-ray viewing
> software or if one way has some "gotchas".
> 
> 
> As well, if I wanted to make them more "usable", what extesion should
> DICOM files have ? and would renaming these files to have an extesion
> ruin the x-ray software's ability to index the files ?
<snip>

Don't play about with them in any way. Even opening them is a waste of 
time, unless you're a trained doctor or radiographer. Just back them up 
and keep them somewhere safe for the rare event that they're actually 
needed again.

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#118395

On 2018-09-25 21:27, Your Name wrote:

> Don't play about with them in any way. Even opening them is a waste of 
> time, unless you're a trained doctor or radiographer.


I can clearly see my clavicle before the mechanic went in. 3 distinct
and separate, non aligned bone fragments.

After the mechanic went in with his drill and screwdriver, I see 1 bone
with 7 screws and a metal plate to hold it together.

Because of a memory blank, I am curious on how I fell. The orthopedist
told me I couldn't have fallen on back to break my bones, but my cycling
jersey and helmet point to impact on the back. Hoping to be able to show
x-rays and jersey/helmet to some doctor some day to get explanation.

The x-rays also provide a baseline in case I have another accident so
they know what it looked like with the metal plate and screws after
first accident got fixed. (another accident may mean loss of arm
function if they can't fix it because the clavicle may break in
unfixable place.

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#118388

On 2018-09-25, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> I have a CD with the various X-rays taken after my accident in july.
>
> At the file system level, most files have no extension and you need
> special software to view the x-rays. They are DICOM images, and
> Photoshop is able to somewhat open them if you tell it to look at any
> file type.  Bridge treats them as binary documents.
>
> This creates a path such as:
>
> /Volumes/mezei jean-franc/DICOM/PA000000/ST000001/SE000001/IM000000
> (where the last one is the actual image file)
>
> What would be the recommended strategy to preserve this CD in usable
> fashion on disk?
>
> just drag/drop the volume into a folder?
> create a .dmg?
> other ?
>
>
> The reason I ask is whether others had similar experiences and found one
> way worked better than another with regards to using X-ray viewing
> software or if one way has some "gotchas".
>
>
> As well, if I wanted to make them more "usable", what extesion should
> DICOM files have ? and would renaming these files to have an extesion
> ruin the x-ray software's ability to index the files ?
>
> Again, I ask in case someone has already done the tests and found the
> best way to do this - if not, then I'll have to spend the time to test
> various scenarios to see which work).

I just copied the entire DICOM folder to my hard drive. 

I use either OsiriX or RadiAnt Viewer (running in WINE) to view them.
OsiriX nags you for money too much for my taste; so I've been preferring
RadiAnt Viewer which runs very well in WINE.

No filename extension is needed.

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#118396

On 2018-09-25 22:01, Jolly Roger wrote:

> I just copied the entire DICOM folder to my hard drive. 

So drag/drop with Finder ?



> I use either OsiriX or RadiAnt Viewer (running in WINE) to view them.
> OsiriX nags you for money too much for my taste; 
I have Osirix light.

Would be nice to see the 3D renderings though abnd the "light" version
doesn't create them from the CT scan "slices).  (got 2 CT scans during
hospital stay.).

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#118411

On 2018-09-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-25 22:01, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> I just copied the entire DICOM folder to my hard drive. 
>
> So drag/drop with Finder ?

Yep.

>> I use either OsiriX or RadiAnt Viewer (running in WINE) to view them.
>> OsiriX nags you for money too much for my taste; 
>
> I have Osirix light.

Yes, and it will nag you to update it and purchase the full version
frequently. I got tired of that after a while. RadiAnt Viewer never nags
and works great in WINE, which is why I mentioned it.

> Would be nice to see the 3D renderings though abnd the "light" version
> doesn't create them from the CT scan "slices).  (got 2 CT scans during
> hospital stay.).

OsriX doesn't seem to be able to view animations in things like
echocardiograms properly for me. So I'm doubtful it'll handle 3D stuff
well. Graphic Converter is even worse, IME. RadiAnt Viewer works great
with everything I've thrown at it so far.

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#118498

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2018-09-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > On 2018-09-25 22:01, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >
> >> I just copied the entire DICOM folder to my hard drive. 
> >
> > So drag/drop with Finder ?

> Yep.

> >> I use either OsiriX or RadiAnt Viewer (running in WINE) to view them.
> >> OsiriX nags you for money too much for my taste; 
> >
> > I have Osirix light.

> Yes, and it will nag you to update it and purchase the full version
> frequently. I got tired of that after a while. RadiAnt Viewer never nags
> and works great in WINE, which is why I mentioned it.

I tried Radiant in an updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 VM, but it wanted to 
phone home to start its trial and had a time limit. :(
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#118400

On 25/09/2018 10:30 pm, JF Mezei wrote:
> I have a CD with the various X-rays taken after my accident in july.
> 
> At the file system level, most files have no extension and you need
> special software to view the x-rays. They are DICOM images, and
> Photoshop is able to somewhat open them if you tell it to look at any
> file type.  Bridge treats them as binary documents.
> 
> This creates a path such as:
> 
> /Volumes/mezei jean-franc/DICOM/PA000000/ST000001/SE000001/IM000000
> (where the last one is the actual image file)
> 
> What would be the recommended strategy to preserve this CD in usable
> fashion on disk?
> 
> just drag/drop the volume into a folder?
> create a .dmg?
> other ?
> 
> 
> The reason I ask is whether others had similar experiences and found one
> way worked better than another with regards to using X-ray viewing
> software or if one way has some "gotchas".
> 
> 
> As well, if I wanted to make them more "usable", what extesion should
> DICOM files have ? and would renaming these files to have an extesion
> ruin the x-ray software's ability to index the files ?
> 
> Again, I ask in case someone has already done the tests and found the
> best way to do this - if not, then I'll have to spend the time to test
> various scenarios to see which work).

I just checked, and according to this page - 
https://www.lemkesoft.de/en/products/graphicconverter/key-features/import-and-export-formats/ 
- GraphicConverter can import DICOM files. I don't know how 
comprehensive that support is, but you can download the trial version 
and find out. Incidentally, I *love* GraphicConverter, it's my go-to 
tool for quick graphic file conversions.

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#118401

In message <pofkf1$8hp$1@dont-email.me> Supermarine Spitfire <spitfire@spitfireflyinghigh.com> wrote:
> On 25/09/2018 10:30 pm, JF Mezei wrote:
>> I have a CD with the various X-rays taken after my accident in july.
>> 
>> At the file system level, most files have no extension and you need
>> special software to view the x-rays. They are DICOM images, and
>> Photoshop is able to somewhat open them if you tell it to look at any
>> file type.  Bridge treats them as binary documents.
>> 
>> This creates a path such as:
>> 
>> /Volumes/mezei jean-franc/DICOM/PA000000/ST000001/SE000001/IM000000
>> (where the last one is the actual image file)
>> 
>> What would be the recommended strategy to preserve this CD in usable
>> fashion on disk?
>> 
>> just drag/drop the volume into a folder?
>> create a .dmg?
>> other ?
>> 
>> 
>> The reason I ask is whether others had similar experiences and found one
>> way worked better than another with regards to using X-ray viewing
>> software or if one way has some "gotchas".
>> 
>> 
>> As well, if I wanted to make them more "usable", what extesion should
>> DICOM files have ? and would renaming these files to have an extesion
>> ruin the x-ray software's ability to index the files ?
>> 
>> Again, I ask in case someone has already done the tests and found the
>> best way to do this - if not, then I'll have to spend the time to test
>> various scenarios to see which work).

> I just checked, and according to this page - 
> https://www.lemkesoft.de/en/products/graphicconverter/key-features/import-and-export-formats/ 
> - GraphicConverter can import DICOM files. I don't know how 
> comprehensive that support is, but you can download the trial version 
> and find out. Incidentally, I *love* GraphicConverter, it's my go-to 
> tool for quick graphic file conversions.

Doh!

I really should have checked Graphic Converter!


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#118409

On 25-Sep-2018, JF Mezei wrote
(in article <uNxqD.225599$YL3.58662@fx48.iad>):

> I have a CD with the various X-rays taken after my accident in july.
>
> At the file system level, most files have no extension and you need
> special software to view the x-rays. They are DICOM images, and
> Photoshop is able to somewhat open them if you tell it to look at any
> file type. Bridge treats them as binary documents.
>
> This creates a path such as:
>
> /Volumes/mezei jean-franc/DICOM/PA000000/ST000001/SE000001/IM000000
> (where the last one is the actual image file)
>
> What would be the recommended strategy to preserve this CD in usable
> fashion on disk?
>
> just drag/drop the volume into a folder?
> create a .dmg?
> other ?
>
> The reason I ask is whether others had similar experiences and found one
> way worked better than another with regards to using X-ray viewing
> software or if one way has some "gotchas".
>
> As well, if I wanted to make them more "usable", what extesion should
> DICOM files have ? and would renaming these files to have an extesion
> ruin the x-ray software's ability to index the files ?
>
> Again, I ask in case someone has already done the tests and found the
> best way to do this - if not, then I'll have to spend the time to test
> various scenarios to see which work).

Can you read the image files with Graphic Converter? It reads many formats.

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#118412

On 2018-09-26, Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:
>
> Can you read the image files with Graphic Converter? It reads many formats.

I just tried viewing DICOM echocardiogram images (animations) with
Graphic Converter 6 with horrible results. It couldn't display any of them
correctly. Graphic Converter 10.x did marginally better. It could
display some of them, but only still images - no animation. And others
displayed as pure noise.

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#118435

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Graphic Converter 10.x did marginally better. It could
> display some of them, but only still images - no animation. And others
> displayed as pure noise.

Did you contact the author? Support is usually very good.
Maybe if you send him your images he can improve support for them.

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#118444

On 2018-09-27, Bernd Fröhlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Graphic Converter 10.x did marginally better. It could
>> display some of them, but only still images - no animation. And others
>> displayed as pure noise.
>
> Did you contact the author? Support is usually very good.
> Maybe if you send him your images he can improve support for them.

Meh. Not interested.

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