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| Started by | Matt Simpson <usenet@news.redhorse.me> |
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| First post | 2018-09-22 10:17 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-09-23 11:50 -0700 |
| Articles | 7 on this page of 27 — 9 participants |
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Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Matt Simpson <usenet@news.redhorse.me> - 2018-09-22 10:17 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-22 10:32 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-22 22:29 +0000
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-22 19:53 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-23 12:19 +0000
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-23 13:03 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-25 12:19 +0000
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-25 18:23 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-25 22:38 +0000
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2018-09-23 09:09 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-23 10:03 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2018-09-23 10:32 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-23 10:54 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2018-09-23 10:56 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-23 10:59 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2018-09-23 11:10 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-23 11:19 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2018-09-23 12:49 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-23 13:46 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-23 13:53 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-23 18:26 +0000
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 11:48 -0700
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-25 12:15 +0000
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Doc O'Leary <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2018-09-23 17:01 +0000
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-23 17:27 +0000
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-09-23 13:31 -0400
Re: Mac Hard Drive partitioning thoughts? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 11:50 -0700
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-23 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <g0q46hFccbrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #118325 |
On 2018-09-23, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <WjQpD.71297$vJ1.32971@fx05.iad>, JF Mezei ><jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> Changing the actual location of the song file will not update that >> database and the software will still think the song is in the old location. > > yes it will. itunes uses alias records which can find files if they > move. Yep. I love that about it. I actually end up moving songs and videos after the initial import into iTunes frequently, and iTunes never loses track of them when I do that. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2018-09-23 11:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <po8n5r$9ep$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #118307 |
On 9/23/18 PDT 7:32 AM, Wolffan wrote: > On 23 Sep 2018, nospam wrote > (in article<230920181003041551%nospam@nospam.invalid>): >> >> itunes has absolutely no issue whatsoever with keeping track of content >> on any volume, local or remote. > > oh, yes it does. iTunes is possibly the single most evil software Apple has > ever released upon an unsuspecting world.<< Snipped bits out >>. I hate > iTunes with the fury of 10,000 suns and will not willingly go near it. Johnny One-note. Noted.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2018-09-25 12:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnpqk9nm.ro9.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #118307 |
In message <0001HW.2157DB62006D9105700007CDF2EF@news.eternal-september.org> Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote: > On 23 Sep 2018, nospam wrote > (in article<230920181003041551%nospam@nospam.invalid>): >> In article >> <0001HW.2157C7F7006903DF70000D4122EF@news.eternal-september.org>, >> Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote: >> >> > > One problem with my old strategy is a lot of software just assumes >> > > everything is on one big system drive, and behaves funny if it's not. >> > >> > Depending on exactly which application you¹re talking about, it is >> > sometimes a pain to make it understand that the data is not on the local >> > volume. iTunes in particular is annoying. One reason why I have a standard >> > image is that that way I only have to reconfigure things _once_ and then >> > thereafter everything Just Works. >> >> itunes has absolutely no issue whatsoever with keeping track of content >> on any volume, local or remote. > oh, yes it does. iTunes is possibly the single most evil software Apple has > ever released upon an unsuspecting world. It really, really, REALLY wants to > have its data is specific places. My iTunes library has been on an external drive for... a decade? > Once that place is changed, it really, really, REALLY hates changing > again. Nonsense. It's a setting built-in to iTunes, and is trivial to change the location. > Marvin on iOS to read ebooks Books (née iBooks) is the best eBook software for iOS by a long shot, I've tried dozens, and I always go back to it. In fact, all my Kindle books are converted to ePub so I can read them in the Books app. -- The reaper does not listen to the harvest. --Reaper Man
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-23 17:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <po8gtv$ulv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #118272 |
For your reference, records indicate that Matt Simpson <usenet@news.redhorse.me> wrote: > The main reason for this was to facilitate clean install of new OS > versions. I could erase the system partition, clean install a new OS, > and point it to my old Users folder. I would have a fresh OS without > any residual crap from the old version, and all my user data was still > there. The problem with your thinking is that the main repository for the “residual crap” you see *is* the user account. And given that the user data is usually closely tied to the apps, pointing a new OS to an old user account tends to make it unusable should you need to revert back to previous app/OS versions. My strategy is to have 500GB for the current OS (full install including user accounts, etc.), 500GB for an alternative OS (usually the last version of macOS, which will then get the *next* version written over it), and any extra space goes to Apple-independent data and apps (which otherwise goes on external disks). > Another is potential wasted space. Space is cheap these days. Most people don’t *really* have terabytes of data to manage. My Time Machine disk is only 1TB and it still goes back years. You’re better off with the redundancy of multiple disks with “wasted space” than you are with trying to cram everything that’s important on a single large disk holding many partitions. > Does the > system upgrade process do a pretty good cleanup job, so that an OS > upgraded from a previous release doesn't have a lot of clutter that > wouldn't exist in a clean install? I always do a clean install and never do user migration. Anything that’s important going forward gets copied to a newly created account, or it gets moved to a partition/disk that is set aside for things that need to be kept out of Apple’s control. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-23 17:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <g0q0neFbg63U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #118272 |
On 2018-09-22, Matt Simpson <usenet@news.redhorse.me> wrote: > For years, ever since my first install of OS X, I have partitioned the > hard drive on every Mac I owned. I put the OS and its included apps on > one partition, and my Users folder, third-party apps, and any other > non-Apple stuff on a second partition. > > The main reason for this was to facilitate clean install of new OS > versions. I could erase the system partition, clean install a new OS, > and point it to my old Users folder. I would have a fresh OS without > any residual crap from the old version, and all my user data was still > there. > > I might buy a new Mac sometime soon (my mid-2010 iMac won't run > Mojave), and that might be a good time to reconsider whether "what I > have always done" is still a good strategy. > > One problem with my old strategy is a lot of software just assumes > everything is on one big system drive, and behaves funny if it's not. > > Another is potential wasted space. Since I can't accurately predict > how big an OS will be, and how much a system partition might need to > grow after installation, I have to include a generous cushion on the > system partition, and that space is not available for other use As > long as hard drive capacities were growing faster than user needs, this > wasnt a real issue. On a 1 or 2 TB hard drive, 25 GB of unusable space > was not an issue. On a 256 GB SSD, it might be more problematic. > > Does anybody have any thoughts on whether partitioning hard drives this > way is still a good idea, or more trouble than it's worth? Does the > system upgrade process do a pretty good cleanup job, so that an OS > upgraded from a previous release doesn't have a lot of clutter that > wouldn't exist in a clean install? Definitely more trouble than it's worth. With a Time Machine backup, clean installing is a breeze. Erase the startup volume, restore, done. It's literally that easy, and you literally pick right up where you left off with all system and network settings and user data restored. There's really no need to separate storage that way. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-23 13:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <TL-dna-XVpp3UDrGnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #118272 |
On 2018-09-22 10:17, Matt Simpson wrote:
> For years, ever since my first install of OS X, I have partitioned the
> hard drive on every Mac I owned.
<S>
> Does anybody have any thoughts on whether partitioning hard drives this
> way is still a good idea, or more trouble than it's worth? Does the
> system upgrade process do a pretty good cleanup job, so that an OS
> upgraded from a previous release doesn't have a lot of clutter that
> wouldn't exist in a clean install?
Partitioning hard drives. Wow! I haven't bothered since my Windows
days and even then was getting away from it. Not worth the hassle.
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
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| From | John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2018-09-23 11:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <po8n9v$ai1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #118323 |
On 9/23/18 PDT 10:31 AM, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2018-09-22 10:17, Matt Simpson wrote: >> For years, ever since my first install of OS X, I have partitioned the >> hard drive on every Mac I owned. > > <S> > >> Does anybody have any thoughts on whether partitioning hard drives >> this way is still a good idea, or more trouble than it's worth? Does >> the system upgrade process do a pretty good cleanup job, so that an OS >> upgraded from a previous release doesn't have a lot of clutter that >> wouldn't exist in a clean install? > > Partitioning hard drives. Wow! I haven't bothered since my Windows > days and even then was getting away from it. Not worth the hassle. Agree. Well over a decade ago I was partitioning like crazy on my Macs. Not now.
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