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  Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-31 10:16 -0500
    Re: Wifi/Ethernet Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> - 2014-01-31 15:20 +0000
      Re: Wifi/Ethernet Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-31 13:13 -0500
        Re: Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-02-01 08:35 -0500
          Re: Wifi/Ethernet Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-01 11:16 -0500
            Re: Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-02-01 11:25 -0500
            Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-01 12:24 -0600
              Re: Wifi/Ethernet Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-01 20:42 +0000
              Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 23:05 +0000
                Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-02 16:52 -0600
                  Re: Wifi/Ethernet Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-02 22:57 +0000
                    Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:10 -0600
                  Re: Wifi/Ethernet Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-02 16:58 -0600
                    Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:07 -0600
                      Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 14:50 +0000
                        Re: Wifi/Ethernet D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2014-02-04 19:43 +0000
                          Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 01:25 +0000
                            Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-07 11:15 -0600
                              Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-07 18:05 +0000
                                Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-10 18:23 -0600
                                  Re: Wifi/Ethernet Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-02-12 19:43 -0800
                                    Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-13 21:17 -0600
                            Re: Wifi/Ethernet D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2014-02-11 19:49 +0000
                        Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-07 11:09 -0600
                  Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-03 01:53 +0000
                    Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:05 -0600
      Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 19:05 +0000
    Re: Wifi/Ethernet Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 10:23 -0500

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#55656 — Wifi/Ethernet

Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1

In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and 
the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out 
and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from 
just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the 
ethernet port and then everything freezes.

Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think 
the guy wired up my networking badly?

-- 

Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking 
out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it 
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

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#55657

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500
Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net>

In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>,
 Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:

> Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1
> 
> In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and 
> the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out 
> and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from 
> just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the 
> ethernet port and then everything freezes.
> 
> Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think 
> the guy wired up my networking badly?

Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs.
-- 
Posted by Anon-Alone

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#55660

In article <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net>,
 Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote:

> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500
> Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net>
> 
> In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>,
>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> 
> > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1
> > 
> > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and 
> > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out 
> > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from 
> > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the 
> > ethernet port and then everything freezes.
> > 
> > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think 
> > the guy wired up my networking badly?
> 
> Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs.

I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#55692

In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net>,
>  Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500
> > Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net>
> > 
> > In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>,
> >  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> > 
> > > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1
> > > 
> > > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and 
> > > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out 
> > > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from 
> > > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the 
> > > ethernet port and then everything freezes.
> > > 
> > > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think 
> > > the guy wired up my networking badly?
> > 
> > Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs.
> 
> I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.

It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.

-- 

Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking 
out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it 
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

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#55705

In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>,
 Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:

> In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > In article <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net>,
> >  Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote:
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500
> > > Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net>
> > > 
> > > In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>,
> > >  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1
> > > > 
> > > > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and 
> > > > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out 
> > > > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from 
> > > > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the 
> > > > ethernet port and then everything freezes.
> > > > 
> > > > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think 
> > > > the guy wired up my networking badly?
> > > 
> > > Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs.
> > 
> > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.
> 
> It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
> upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.

In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as 
it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no 
problems.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#55710

In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>,
>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> 
> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net>,
> > >  Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500
> > > > Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net>
> > > > 
> > > > In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>,
> > > >  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1
> > > > > 
> > > > > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and 
> > > > > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed 
> > > > > out 
> > > > > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from 
> > > > > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the 
> > > > > ethernet port and then everything freezes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think 
> > > > > the guy wired up my networking badly?
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs.
> > > 
> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.
> > 
> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.
> 
> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as 
> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no 
> problems.

I'm just used to its buggy nature. It quite frequently freezes when I 
quit, and sometimes it just "goes away" for no apparent reason. 
Sometimes it refuses to send a message out without telling me. And so 
on. It's still the only Usenet client I use regularly (I'm not averse to 
firing up Gnus on my Linux thing).

-- 

Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking 
out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it 
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

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#55721

In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>,
>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> 
> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.
> > 
> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.
> 
> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as 
> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no 
> problems.

I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#55731

On 2014-02-01, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>,
>>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.
>> > 
>> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
>> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.
>> 
>> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as 
>> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no 
>> problems.
>
> I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-)

Shocking...

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55741

In message <drache-641AA6.12245801022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>,
>>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.
>> > 
>> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
>> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.
>> 
>> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as 
>> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no 
>> problems.

> I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-)

You see what you want to see.

-- 
"If you can't do something smart, do something right."

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#55788

In article <slrnleqvdo.a20.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <drache-641AA6.12245801022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> >> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>,
> >>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> >> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.
> >> > 
> >> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
> >> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.
> >> 
> >> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as 
> >> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no 
> >> problems.
> 
> > I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-)
> 
> You see what you want to see.

I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being 
blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well 
as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my 
first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's 
what I see, whether I want to or not.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#55789

In article <drache-760B8A.16522902022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <slrnleqvdo.a20.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > In message <drache-641AA6.12245801022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
> >   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > >> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>,
> > >>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > >> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.
> > >> > 
> > >> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
> > >> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.
> > >> 
> > >> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as 
> > >> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no 
> > >> problems.
> > 
> > > I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-)
> > 
> > You see what you want to see.
> 
> I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being 
> blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well 
> as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my 
> first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's 
> what I see, whether I want to or not.

What do you see as being problematic, other than MTNW?

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#55816

In article <020220142257463960%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <drache-760B8A.16522902022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being 
> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well 
> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my 
> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's 
> > what I see, whether I want to or not.
> 
> What do you see as being problematic, other than MTNW?

Oh, that's just the latest boggle.  I play with graphics a lot, and it 
would wipe out my main editing program and force me to buy something 
strange and expensive I'd need to learn to use from scratch, which would 
hurt the most.  There are many smaller nastinesses as well.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#55790

On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote:
> I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being
> blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well
> as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my
> first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's
> what I see, whether I want to or not.

Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and 
that was long before Mavericks.

-- 
Ted

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#55815

In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote:
> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being
> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well
> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my
> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's
> > what I see, whether I want to or not.
> 
> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and 
> that was long before Mavericks.

Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't 
necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new 
number.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#55846

In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

>> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote:
>> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being
>> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well
>> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my
>> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's
>> > what I see, whether I want to or not.
>> 
>> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and 
>> that was long before Mavericks.

> Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't 
> necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new 
> number.

Oh yea, I rememebr how eeasy it was to open Appleworks files from my
//c+ on the Mac. Oh wait.

Well, yeah, but Mac Write files from System 1.x worked great in System
7-- oh, right, no they didn't.

Word 6 worked really well with older versions of Word if by 'really
well' you mean 'not at all' and you had to buy a third-party conversion
tool.

Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices
were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it
always snowed on Christmas Eve?

-- 
"In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily."
Charles, Count Talleyrand

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#55887

Lewis wrote:
> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
> 
>>> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote:
>>> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being
>>> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as
>>> > well
>>> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my
>>> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's
>>> > what I see, whether I want to or not.
>>> 
>>> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and 
>>> that was long before Mavericks.
> 
>> Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't 
>> necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new 
>> number.
> 
> Oh yea, I rememebr how eeasy it was to open Appleworks files from my
> //c+ on the Mac. Oh wait.

It was pretty easy with Apple File Exchange. The IIc Plus had an 800 k DS
drive.

> 
> Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices
> were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it
> always snowed on Christmas Eve?

There is a game called Missile Command. It was written in 1984. It will run
on every model of Macintosh and every classic Mac OS System up to 9.2.

-- 
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#55925

In message <dog_cow-1391543029@macgui.com> 
  D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:
> Lewis wrote:
>> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote:
>>>> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being
>>>> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as
>>>> > well
>>>> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my
>>>> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's
>>>> > what I see, whether I want to or not.
>>>> 
>>>> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and 
>>>> that was long before Mavericks.
>> 
>>> Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't 
>>> necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new 
>>> number.
>> 
>> Oh yea, I rememebr how eeasy it was to open Appleworks files from my
>> //c+ on the Mac. Oh wait.

> It was pretty easy with Apple File Exchange. The IIc Plus had an 800 k DS
> drive.

As I recall, you didn't open your old AppleWorks files, you converted
them, one-way, to the new format.

>> Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices
>> were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it
>> always snowed on Christmas Eve?

> There is a game called Missile Command. It was written in 1984. It will run
> on every model of Macintosh and every classic Mac OS System up to 9.2.

And stack that up against thousands and thousands of programs that broke
with System 6, System 7, System 7.1, System 7.5, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, OS
X 10.0, 10.1, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7.

-- 
The Drum jealously guarded its reputation as the most stylishly
disreputable tavern in Ankh-Morpork and the big troll that now guarded
the door carefully vetted customers for suitability in the way of black
cloaks, glowing eyes, magic swords and so forth. Rincewind never found
out what he did to the failures. Perhaps he ate them. --Sourcery

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#56175

In article <slrnlf34om.1mr2.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <dog_cow-1391543029@macgui.com> 
>   D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:
> > Lewis wrote:
> >> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> 

> As I recall, you didn't open your old AppleWorks files, you converted
> them, one-way, to the new format.

I can still open them with Pages as long as they were originally saved 
as WP.  Pages can't open anything else because of its limitations, 
unlike every version of ClarisWorks and AppleWorks.  It can't even make 
calendars, which I still need AW for if I want to make them the size I 
want them.
> 
> >> Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices
> >> were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it
> >> always snowed on Christmas Eve?

Pre OS 10.6
> 
> > There is a game called Missile Command. It was written in 1984. It will run
> > on every model of Macintosh and every classic Mac OS System up to 9.2.
   I still have a couple games on the old computer, which is 9.2.2.  
It's also the only one that can open my interactive Bayeux Tapestry DVD.
> 
> And stack that up against thousands and thousands of programs that broke
> with System 6, System 7, System 7.1, System 7.5, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, OS
> X 10.0, 10.1, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7.

No, most of them broke with OSX and they keep breaking as the numbers 
after OS X mount up.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#56176

In message <drache-78DD81.11151607022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnlf34om.1mr2.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <dog_cow-1391543029@macgui.com> 
>>   D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:
>> > Lewis wrote:
>> >> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> 

>> As I recall, you didn't open your old AppleWorks files, you converted
>> them, one-way, to the new format.

> I can still open them with Pages as long as they were originally saved 
> as WP.  Pages can't open anything else because of its limitations, 
> unlike every version of ClarisWorks and AppleWorks.  It can't even make 
> calendars, which I still need AW for if I want to make them the size I 
> want them.

You're talking about very different versions of AppleWorks. The version
for the Apple // series was almost nothing like the later version for
the Mac, other than in name.

>> >> Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices
>> >> were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it
>> >> always snowed on Christmas Eve?

> Pre OS 10.6

Facts do not bare that out. I remember many many programs breaking with
System 7 and many more with System 7.5 and many more with Mac OS 8.0. A
lot broke with 10.3 (but very few with 10.0-10.2), and a lot again with
10.5.

With Mac OS 8 (originally System 7.7) I was on the beta team and of the
hundred or so bugs I filed nearly all of them where "program x crashes
on launch" or "program y crashes when you try to print" sorts of bugs.

>> > There is a game called Missile Command. It was written in 1984. It will run
>> > on every model of Macintosh and every classic Mac OS System up to 9.2.
>    I still have a couple games on the old computer, which is 9.2.2.  
> It's also the only one that can open my interactive Bayeux Tapestry DVD.
>> 
>> And stack that up against thousands and thousands of programs that broke
>> with System 6, System 7, System 7.1, System 7.5, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, OS
>> X 10.0, 10.1, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7.

> No, most of them broke with OSX and they keep breaking as the numbers 
> after OS X mount up.

Again, the facts do not back you up.

-- 
I get the feeling that some people's idea of heaven is an "I told you
so" T-shirt - mmalc

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#56374

In article <slrnlfa83k.2ejo.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> You're talking about very different versions of AppleWorks. The version
> for the Apple // series was almost nothing like the later version for
> the Mac, other than in name.

Oh, I was using ClarisWorks almost from its inception, I think. By the 
time I had to switch to AW, it soon came in a version for both OS 9 and 
OSX and could open older AW and CW files. Pages cut its abilities in 
half and threw in useless "templates" , threw out useful ones and most 
individual options.  I don't remember what I was using on the Apple //e.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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