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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Started by	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
Last post	2015-04-22 09:09 -0700
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#73825

From	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Date	2015-04-21 10:22 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmjc97n.307.howard@foxtrot.local>
In reply to	#73502

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way, 
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).

Yes, you're not using your head.  Even on Windows, the Desktop isn't the
main way to create files.  Programs are the way to create files.  So use
whatever program you intend to use to paste the text into your file.

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#73849

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Date	2015-04-21 18:32 -0700
Message-ID	<mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to	#73502

On 2015-04-20 02:11:47 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org
> 
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> 
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> 
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.

So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.

Done.

> 
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.

You not understanding the simple steps doesn't mean they don't exist.

> 
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.
> 
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).

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#73862

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-22 02:03 -0400
Message-ID	<220420150203396530%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73849

In article <210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?

don't worry. he'll be back under a different name with another bizarre
question.

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#73865

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-21 23:31 -0700
Message-ID	<210420152331453104%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#73862

In article <220420150203396530%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
> 
> don't worry. he'll be back under a different name with another bizarre
> question.

Of course, but in the meantime, we can kill this thread.

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#73863

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-21 22:53 -0700
Message-ID	<210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#73849

In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<email@domain.com> wrote:

> >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> > 
> > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> > 
> > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> 
> So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> 
> Done.

Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?

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#73864

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-22 18:28 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3alwh.1blv81w140yzmlN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73863

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <email@domain.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> > > 
> > > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> > > 
> > > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> > > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> > > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> > 
> > So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> > 
> > Done.
> 
> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?

Yup. But he'll be back under a new nick, all 'confused' over some simple
matter even small children manage to get to grips with.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73868

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-22 08:17 -0400
Message-ID	<55379159$0$25104$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#73864

In article <1m3alwh.1blv81w140yzmlN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> > <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> > > > 
> > > > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> > > > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> > > > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> > > 
> > > So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> > > 
> > > Done.
> > 
> > Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
> 
> Yup. But he'll be back under a new nick, all 'confused' over some simple
> matter even small children manage to get to grips with.

That used to be Bible John, but he'd use his "questions" as an excuse 
for us to go look at his christer web pages and maybe come to the light.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#73882

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-23 04:16 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3bbb7.1cp6z8y8be1q1N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73868

Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1m3alwh.1blv81w140yzmlN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> > > <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> > > > > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> > > > > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> > > > 
> > > > So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> > > > 
> > > > Done.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
> > 
> > Yup. But he'll be back under a new nick, all 'confused' over some simple
> > matter even small children manage to get to grips with.
> 
> That used to be Bible John, but he'd use his "questions" as an excuse
> for us to go look at his christer web pages and maybe come to the light.

I have him killfiledd, but have not noticed his gaps in threads for
years. Can't say that I miss the unethical waste of carbon.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73890

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-22 13:06 -0400
Message-ID	<5537d514$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#73882

In article <1m3bbb7.1cp6z8y8be1q1N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> killfiledd

Killfiledd  sounds like a town in Wales. You'd pronounce it 
kill-FILL-edth.

[Note: this is not a flame]

(Dai).
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#73932

From	Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date	2015-04-23 09:00 +1200
Message-ID	<230420150900051117%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to	#73890

In article <5537d514$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <1m3bbb7.1cp6z8y8be1q1N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> > 
> > killfiledd
> 
> Killfiledd  sounds like a town in Wales. You'd pronounce it 
> kill-FILL-edth.
> 
> [Note: this is not a flame]
> 
> (Dai).

Can't be, it's nowhere near long enough and there's far too many vowels
in it.  ;-)

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#73870

From	David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date	2015-04-22 09:06 -0500
Message-ID	<alpine.OSX.2.20.1504220856530.31550@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to	#73863

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On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 22:53 -0700, 
 in article <210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>, 
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?

He popped up in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, a day or so after 
dropping out of this thread.  His questions there were answered 
to his satisfaction.

Adam has been posting to Usenet, using the same address, for 
significantly longer than a decade.  While this may have been his 
first appearence in comp.sys.mac.*, he's been around a while.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#73871

From	AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net>
Date	2015-04-22 11:13 -0400
Message-ID	<mh8dqc$fi0$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73870

On 4/22/15, 10:06, David Ritz wrote:
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> On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 22:53 -0700,
>   in article<210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>,
>   Michelle Steiner<michelle@michelle.org>  wrote:
>
>> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
>
> He popped up in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, a day or so after
> dropping out of this thread.  His questions there were answered
> to his satisfaction.
>
> Adam has been posting to Usenet, using the same address, for
> significantly longer than a decade.  While this may have been his
> first appearence in comp.sys.mac.*, he's been around a while.
>

However long "Adam" has been around other news groups, he has been 
around this one under various nyms from "Vinny" to most recently 
"Sunshine" and "Sobriquet," making "inquiries" about how difficult it is 
to use MacOS compared with Linux. He "fails to understand" clear 
instruction about using Mac, claiming that his instructors agree with 
his absurd assertions, and drags out these discussions ad nauseam. Those 
who continue "assisting" him without result are partly to blame for the 
nausea.

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#73876

From	David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date	2015-04-22 10:57 -0500
Message-ID	<alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221037270.31550@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to	#73871

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On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 11:13 -0400, 
 in article <mh8dqc$fi0$1@news.albasani.net>, 
 AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 4/22/15, 10:06, David Ritz wrote:

>> Adam has been posting to Usenet, using the same address, for 
>> significantly longer than a decade.  While this may have been his 
>> first appearance in comp.sys.mac.*, he's been around a while.

> However long "Adam" has been around other news groups, he has been 
> around this one under various nyms from "Vinny" to most recently 
> "Sunshine" and "Sobriquet," making "inquiries" about how difficult 
> it is to use MacOS compared with Linux. He "fails to understand" 
> clear instruction about using Mac, claiming that his instructors 
> agree with his absurd assertions, and drags out these discussions ad 
> nauseam. Those who continue "assisting" him without result are 
> partly to blame for the nausea.

This assumes facts not in evidence.  You may believe your assumption, 
that everyone who comes from a different OS, expecting OS X to work 
exactly the same way things work under Windows or Linux, is the same 
individual, but it seems to be a lot to accept on its face.

As it happens, I agree with Adam, that the way TextEdit works isn't as 
intuitive as having the option of saving a file, in whatever format 
one desires, directly from the Save dialog.

Sure, there be trolls here, but assuming everyone with a basic 
question is a troll is counterproductive, no matter how they struggle 
with achieving there often unstated or misstated goal.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 "A hallucination is a fact, not an error; what is erroneous is a
  judgment based upon it."              - Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

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#73884

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-22 09:30 -0700
Message-ID	<220420150930238316%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#73876

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221037270.31550@mako.ath.cx>, David
Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> > However long "Adam" has been around other news groups, he has been 
> > around this one under various nyms from "Vinny" to most recently 
> > "Sunshine" and "Sobriquet," making "inquiries" about how difficult 
> > it is to use MacOS compared with Linux. He "fails to understand" 
> > clear instruction about using Mac, claiming that his instructors 
> > agree with his absurd assertions, and drags out these discussions ad 
> > nauseam. Those who continue "assisting" him without result are 
> > partly to blame for the nausea.
> 
> This assumes facts not in evidence.  You may believe your assumption, 
> that everyone who comes from a different OS, expecting OS X to work 
> exactly the same way things work under Windows or Linux, is the same 
> individual, but it seems to be a lot to accept on its face.

There is also the matter of writing style; misconstruing suggestions;
repeating, verbatim; the same text in response to multiple messages;
picking one person as having understood his problem even though others
have expressed the same thing as that one person; etc.

> As it happens, I agree with Adam, that the way TextEdit works isn't as 
> intuitive as having the option of saving a file, in whatever format 
> one desires, directly from the Save dialog.

It makes more sense to have two modes, one for plain text, and one for
Rich Text, each of which has its own options for saving.

> Sure, there be trolls here, but assuming everyone with a basic 
> question is a troll is counterproductive, no matter how they struggle 
> with achieving there often unstated or misstated goal.

We do not make that assumption; however, we do arrive at that
conclusion when the evidence supports it, as it did with "Adam".

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#73888

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-22 16:52 +0000
Message-ID	<cpq1v5Ft5tjU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#73884

On 2015-04-22, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221037270.31550@mako.ath.cx>, David
> Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> > However long "Adam" has been around other news groups, he has been 
>> > around this one under various nyms from "Vinny" to most recently 
>> > "Sunshine" and "Sobriquet," making "inquiries" about how difficult 
>> > it is to use MacOS compared with Linux. He "fails to understand" 
>> > clear instruction about using Mac, claiming that his instructors 
>> > agree with his absurd assertions, and drags out these discussions ad 
>> > nauseam. Those who continue "assisting" him without result are 
>> > partly to blame for the nausea.
>> 
>> This assumes facts not in evidence.  You may believe your assumption, 
>> that everyone who comes from a different OS, expecting OS X to work 
>> exactly the same way things work under Windows or Linux, is the same 
>> individual, but it seems to be a lot to accept on its face.
>
> There is also the matter of writing style; misconstruing suggestions;
> repeating, verbatim; the same text in response to multiple messages;
> picking one person as having understood his problem even though others
> have expressed the same thing as that one person; etc.

I have little doubt "Adam" is our resident Linux dweeb. He can change
his name, but his personality and dimwittedness give him away every
single time. David's defense of him makes me wonder about David...

>> As it happens, I agree with Adam, that the way TextEdit works isn't as 
>> intuitive as having the option of saving a file, in whatever format 
>> one desires, directly from the Save dialog.
>
> It makes more sense to have two modes, one for plain text, and one for
> Rich Text, each of which has its own options for saving.

Indeed - especially when switching between those two modes is as simple
as typing Command-Shift-T or choosing Format > Make Plain/Rich Text from
the menu bar. It also makes more sense from a design point of view. When
you convert from rich to plain text, some aspects such as text styling
(bold/italic/coloring) as well as tab spacing, attached images, and so
on) are adversely affected or completely removed. Doing it in the
document gives the user a chance to actually *see* those effects. Doing
it in the Save dialog offers no such opportunity. The user would have to
re-open the saved document to see the effects. It's a better design that
gives a better user experience.

>> Sure, there be trolls here, but assuming everyone with a basic 
>> question is a troll is counterproductive, no matter how they struggle 
>> with achieving there often unstated or misstated goal.
>
> We do not make that assumption; however, we do arrive at that
> conclusion when the evidence supports it, as it did with "Adam".

Yep.

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JR

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#73885

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2015-04-22 17:30 +0100
Message-ID	<220420151730327844%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#73876

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221037270.31550@mako.ath.cx>, David
Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>As it happens, I agree with Adam, that the way TextEdit works isn't as 
>intuitive as having the option of saving a file, in whatever format 
>one desires, directly from the Save dialog.

A trivially unimportant difference. Most people would either figure it
out for themselves, or have understood it in short order after a few
posts. As it was "Adam" is either terminally thick, or was being
deliberately obtuse with a view to trolling, or is Harry Worth.

-- 
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#73892

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-23 05:11 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3bfj8.1tsz9991qd9ht3N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73885

Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221037270.31550@mako.ath.cx>, David
> Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> >As it happens, I agree with Adam, that the way TextEdit works isn't as
> >intuitive as having the option of saving a file, in whatever format 
> >one desires, directly from the Save dialog.
> 
> A trivially unimportant difference. Most people would either figure it
> out for themselves, or have understood it in short order after a few
> posts. As it was "Adam" is either terminally thick, or was being
> deliberately obtuse with a view to trolling, or is Harry Worth.

Plus given the switch between RTF and plain text changes formatting
options available, as well as save options, it only makes sense to have
it be a menu option, instead of a 'Save As…' dialog option.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73894

From	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date	2015-04-22 13:25 -0400
Message-ID	<5537d993$0$64023$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#73892

On 15-04-22 13:11, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

> Plus given the switch between RTF and plain text changes formatting
> options available, as well as save options, it only makes sense to have
> it be a menu option, instead of a 'Save As…' dialog option.

But Save_As should give you the option to save as text (stripping all
formatting). I think earlier versions of textedit had that option.

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#73896

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-22 17:35 +0000
Message-ID	<cpq4egFt5tjU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#73894

On 2015-04-22, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-22 13:11, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>
>> Plus given the switch between RTF and plain text changes formatting
>> options available, as well as save options, it only makes sense to have
>> it be a menu option, instead of a 'Save As…' dialog option.
>
>
> But Save_As should give you the option to save as text (stripping all
> formatting). I think earlier versions of textedit had that option.

No. Allowing the loss of data during the action of *saving* the document
is bad design. 

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#73899

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-22 13:50 -0400
Message-ID	<220420151350552682%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73896

In article <cpq4egFt5tjU6@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > But Save_As should give you the option to save as text (stripping all
> > formatting). I think earlier versions of textedit had that option.
> 
> No. Allowing the loss of data during the action of *saving* the document
> is bad design.

it's the user's choice. warn the user, and if they confirm, then that's
what they wanted to do.

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