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  Question on MBPro Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-09 14:19 -0400
    Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 14:39 -0500
      Re: Question on MBPro Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-09 14:52 -0400
        Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:46 +1300
      Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-10 07:56 +1300
        Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:48 +1300
        Re: Question on MBPro John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-09 14:06 -0700
          Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-09 17:14 -0400
            Re: Question on MBPro Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-09 21:47 +0000
          Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 17:51 -0400
          Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-10 11:33 +1300
            Re: Question on MBPro John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-09 16:17 -0700
      Re: Question on MBPro Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-03-09 14:57 -0400
        Re: Question on MBPro Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-10 09:53 -0400
      Re: Question on MBPro Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 12:37 -0700
        Re: Question on MBPro tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-10 00:20 +0000
          Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 09:10 +1300
            Re: Question on MBPro Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-10 13:18 -0700
              Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 20:37 +0000
              Re: Question on MBPro Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-10 18:16 -0400
                Re: Question on MBPro Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-10 15:19 -0700
                Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 00:20 +0000
                  Re: Question on MBPro Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-10 17:44 -0700
                    Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 14:37 +0000
                      Re: Question on MBPro tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-12 03:29 +0000
                        Re: Question on MBPro Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-12 01:51 -0400
                          Re: Question on MBPro tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-12 06:12 +0000
                  Re: Question on MBPro Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-10 17:46 -0700
            Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-10 16:19 -0400
              Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 20:38 +0000
              Re: Question on MBPro Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-10 21:51 +0000
                Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-10 17:57 -0400
            Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-10 17:17 -0400
          Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 09:11 +1300
    Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-09 14:41 -0400
    Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-10 07:47 +1300
      Re: Question on MBPro Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-09 15:04 -0400
        Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 15:08 -0500
          Re: Question on MBPro Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 12:35 -0700
            Re: Question on MBPro John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-09 14:04 -0700
        Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:44 +1300
          Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-09 17:12 -0400
            Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 13:40 +1300
              Re: Question on MBPro Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-10 10:52 -0400
                Re: Question on MBPro Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 09:29 -0700
                Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 09:18 +1300
                  Re: Question on MBPro Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-10 16:55 -0400
                    Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 21:01 +0000
                      Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-10 17:17 -0400
                        Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 21:39 +0000
                        Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-10 17:40 -0400
                          Re: Question on MBPro Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2015-03-12 22:12 -0400
                    Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 13:19 +1300
                      Re: Question on MBPro Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 18:03 -0700
                      Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-11 14:49 +1300
                        Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 16:07 +1300
                          Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-10 23:09 -0400
                          Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-11 17:32 +1300
                            Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 18:28 +1300
                            Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-13 01:39 -0400
                              Re: Question on MBPro Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 05:51 +0000
                                Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 02:10 -0400
                                Re: Question on MBPro Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-12 23:51 -0700
                              Re: Question on MBPro Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 09:00 -0400
                      Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-11 01:57 -0400
          Re: Question on MBPro Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-09 20:33 -0400
            Re: Question on MBPro Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2015-03-10 11:49 -0700
              Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 09:14 +1300
    Re: Question on MBPro Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-09 18:57 +0000

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#70834

On 2015-03-10 22:16:52 +0000, Davoud said:

> Alan Baker:
>> Not a problem at all, actually.
>> 
>> Apple is already showing on the store two adapters that provide
>> precisely that functionality:
> 
>> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapte
>> r>
> 
>> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1L2AM/A/usb-c-vga-multiport-adapter>
>> 
>> Both include this text:
> 
>> "while also connecting a standard USB device and a USB-C charging cable."
> 
> Both also include this text: "$99.00."

OK.

So?

The original author to whom I replied was concerned that there wasn't 
an adapter available...

...not that it wasn't free.

"The problem (until someone makes a double adapter) could be charging
the laptop while using an external USB drive, for example."

Perhaps that explains why you chose to snip that out...

Just a thought. :-)

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#70839

On 2015-03-10, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Alan Baker: 
>> Not a problem at all, actually.
>> 
>> Apple is already showing on the store two adapters that provide 
>> precisely that functionality:
>
>> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapte
>> r> 
>
>> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1L2AM/A/usb-c-vga-multiport-adapter>
>> 
>> Both include this text:
>
>> "while also connecting a standard USB device and a USB-C charging cable."
>
> Both also include this text: "$99.00."

Told you so. ; )

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#70840

On 2015-03-11 00:20:57 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2015-03-10, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Alan Baker:
>>> Not a problem at all, actually.
>>> 
>>> Apple is already showing on the store two adapters that provide
>>> precisely that functionality:
>> 
>>> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapte
>>> r>
>> 
>>> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1L2AM/A/usb-c-vga-multiport-adapter>
>>> 
>>> Both include this text:
>> 
>>> "while also connecting a standard USB device and a USB-C charging cable."
>> 
>> Both also include this text: "$99.00."
> 
> Told you so. ; )

Particularly funny because the OP didn't seem concerned about price; 
only that there were adapters going to be available.

;-)

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#70880

On 2015-03-11, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> On 2015-03-11 00:20:57 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> On 2015-03-10, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Both also include this text: "$99.00."
>> 
>> Told you so. ; )
>
> Particularly funny because the OP didn't seem concerned about price; 
> only that there were adapters going to be available.

Yep. It really is inevitable. There will always be those who will resist
changes like this, usually kicking and screaming the whole way through,
just as they did with floppies, serial/parallel ports, CD/DVD drives,
and so on. And at some point in the future, when cables are largely a
thing of the past, the rest of us will look back on this too with a
chuckle and grin. : )

-- 
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JR

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#70918

On 2015-03-11, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-11, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> On 2015-03-11 00:20:57 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>> On 2015-03-10, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Both also include this text: "$99.00."
>>> 
>>> Told you so. ; )
>>
>> Particularly funny because the OP didn't seem concerned about price; 
>> only that there were adapters going to be available.
>
> Yep. It really is inevitable. There will always be those who will resist
> changes like this, usually kicking and screaming the whole way through,
> just as they did with floppies, serial/parallel ports, CD/DVD drives,
> and so on. And at some point in the future, when cables are largely a
> thing of the past, the rest of us will look back on this too with a
> chuckle and grin. : )
>

I want my MIDI and SCSI ports back!!!  :(

-- 
Don't relax!  It's only your tension that's holding you together.

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#70921

Jolly Roger, may he rest forever in my kill-file, wrote:
> > Yep. It really is inevitable. There will always be those who will resist
> > changes like this, usually kicking and screaming the whole way through,
> > just as they did with floppies, serial/parallel ports, CD/DVD drives,
> > and so on. And at some point in the future, when cables are largely a
> > thing of the past, the rest of us will look back on this too with a
> > chuckle and grin. : )

tmo1138:
> I want my MIDI and SCSI ports back!!!  :(

If JR is talking about me, he's got the wrong guy. I roll with the
punches. But when Apple takes away something that I need, I want a
replacement. A dongle in a single Thunderbolt port is not a
satisfactory replacement for two FireWire ports. A blank spot is not a
replacement for Ethernet. Apple's server farms use Ethernet ports,
still the world standard, but I don't suppose they're using Apple-brand
servers.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#70924

On 2015-03-12, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger, may he rest forever in my kill-file, wrote:
>> > Yep. It really is inevitable. There will always be those who will resist
>> > changes like this, usually kicking and screaming the whole way through,
>> > just as they did with floppies, serial/parallel ports, CD/DVD drives,
>> > and so on. And at some point in the future, when cables are largely a
>> > thing of the past, the rest of us will look back on this too with a
>> > chuckle and grin. : )
>
> tmo1138:
>> I want my MIDI and SCSI ports back!!!  :(
>
> If JR is talking about me, he's got the wrong guy. I roll with the
> punches. But when Apple takes away something that I need, I want a
> replacement. A dongle in a single Thunderbolt port is not a
> satisfactory replacement for two FireWire ports. A blank spot is not a
> replacement for Ethernet. Apple's server farms use Ethernet ports,
> still the world standard, but I don't suppose they're using Apple-brand
> servers.
>

I was actually being semi-facetious.. ;)

-- 
If you took all the students that felt asleep in class and laid them end to
end, they'd be a lot more comfortable.
		-- "Graffiti in the Big Ten"

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#70841

On 2015-03-11 00:20:57 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2015-03-10, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Alan Baker:
>>> Not a problem at all, actually.
>>> 
>>> Apple is already showing on the store two adapters that provide
>>> precisely that functionality:
>> 
>>> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapte
>>> r>
>> 
>>> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1L2AM/A/usb-c-vga-multiport-adapter>
>>> 
>>> Both include this text:
>> 
>>> "while also connecting a standard USB device and a USB-C charging cable."
>> 
>> Both also include this text: "$99.00."
> 
> Told you so. ; )

Particularly funny because the OP didn't seem concerned about price; 
only that there were adapters going to be available.

;-)

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#70817

On 15-03-10 16:10, Your Name wrote:

> Technically the new MacBook has two ports ... a USB-C on one side and
> and a headphone on the other side.


Had to look up the tech specs.

Headphone port

    Headphone/optical digital audio output (minijack)
    Support for Apple iPhone headset with remote and microphone




During the keynote, I was under the impression Cook mentioned "Beats"
headphones being wireless along with everything else. may have misheard.

Still think they should have had Magsafe and USB-C ports, both that
could be used for charging.

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#70820

On 2015-03-10, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> During the keynote, I was under the impression Cook mentioned "Beats"
> headphones being wireless along with everything else. may have misheard.

Actually, he mentioned that you would use (generic) wireless headphones
with it, followed by a smirky plug for Beats. ; )

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#70831

Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
> On 15-03-10 16:10, Your Name wrote:

>> Technically the new MacBook has two ports ... a USB-C on one side and
>> and a headphone on the other side.


> Had to look up the tech specs.

> Headphone port

>     Headphone/optical digital audio output (minijack)
>     Support for Apple iPhone headset with remote and microphone

> During the keynote, I was under the impression Cook mentioned "Beats"
> headphones being wireless along with everything else. may have misheard.

The laptop also has BT, so yes, wireless headphones will work with it.

> Still think they should have had Magsafe and USB-C ports, both that
> could be used for charging.

It is very difficult to have two possible power sources. Difficult
enough that it is a very bad idea.

-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com
First we must assume a spherical cow.

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#70832

In article <slrnmfupsm.1fib.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > Still think they should have had Magsafe and USB-C ports, both that
> > could be used for charging.
> 
> It is very difficult to have two possible power sources. Difficult
> enough that it is a very bad idea.

nonsense.

connecting one could disable the other. not a big deal at all.

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#70825

In article <110320150910530394%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Technically the new MacBook has two ports ... a USB-C on one side and
> and a headphone on the other side.

along with wireless ports too. 

> The problem (until someone makes a double adapter) could be charging
> the laptop while using an external USB drive, for example.

already exists.

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#70813

In article <slrnmfse8l.267c.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local>, tmo1138
<tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-09, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <090320151439432611%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> ><nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> >> sort.
> >
> > One Port to rule them all, One Port to find them,
> > One Port to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
> 
> The Eye of Jobs?  ;)

More like The Eye of Gates since he's the evil one, watching over
everyone else's shoulder and copying what they do.  ;-)

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#70715

On 15-03-09 14:19, Kurt Ullman wrote:

>      My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?

Depends on whether widgets that plufg in USB-C will become avaialble to
regain lost connector ports such as audio, ethernet etc.

Replacement for SD-Card slot via US-C is likely first to come. But for
ithers, i am not sure.

Note that Apple has updated the 13" MacBookPro, so that product seems to
still be alive for now.

Of note here is whether thunderbolt has a future or not. Looks like
"not" to me. Apple has tried a number of protocols over the years like
firewire that didn't catch on. But for some, Apple was a leader (like
SCSI, USB).

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#70717

Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
>    "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in 
> favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected,
> Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging, 
> display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called
> USB-C."
>      I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work
> so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one 
> port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main
> back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as
> a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record
> interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer. 
>      My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?

The bit you quoted is talking about the new 12-inch MacBook, not the
MacBook Air or MacBook Pro.

Apple also announced (briefly) new 11-inch and 13-inch MacBook Air and
13-inch MacBook Pro models. They have updated processors, the Air gains
Thunderbolt 2, and the Pro gains the force touch trackpad. Apart from
those changes, they look exactly the same and have the same connectors
as before.

The new 12-inch MacBook is for those who want an ultraportable machine
and don't need a lot of physical devices connected.

I fully expect Apple to continue selling the MacBook Pro with a wider
range of connectors, for those who need them. The MacBook Air (with
slightly fewer connectors) also continues to be available.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#70726

In article <1m125ff.12evvry1ixk8clN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> The new 12-inch MacBook is for those who want an ultraportable machine
> and don't need a lot of physical devices connected.

Aren't those usually the ones that get the "Air" name?

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#70728

In article <barmar-818448.15044009032015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > The new 12-inch MacBook is for those who want an ultraportable machine
> > and don't need a lot of physical devices connected.
> 
> Aren't those usually the ones that get the "Air" name?

there's a bit of a disconnect now, with the macbook air weighing more
than the macbook.

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#70731

In article <090320151508557718%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <barmar-818448.15044009032015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > > The new 12-inch MacBook is for those who want an ultraportable machine
> > > and don't need a lot of physical devices connected.
> > 
> > Aren't those usually the ones that get the "Air" name?
> 
> there's a bit of a disconnect now, with the macbook air weighing more
> than the macbook.

And being thicker too.

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#70752

On 3/9/15   PDT 12:35 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <090320151508557718%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <barmar-818448.15044009032015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
>> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>> The new 12-inch MacBook is for those who want an ultraportable machine
>>>> and don't need a lot of physical devices connected.
>>>
>>> Aren't those usually the ones that get the "Air" name?
>>
>> there's a bit of a disconnect now, with the macbook air weighing more
>> than the macbook.
>
> And being thicker too.
>
Who, or whom, are you calling thick?

:)

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