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Question on MBPro

Started byKurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
First post2015-03-09 14:19 -0400
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  Question on MBPro Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-09 14:19 -0400
    Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 14:39 -0500
      Re: Question on MBPro Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-09 14:52 -0400
        Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:46 +1300
      Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-10 07:56 +1300
        Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:48 +1300
        Re: Question on MBPro John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-09 14:06 -0700
          Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-09 17:14 -0400
            Re: Question on MBPro Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-09 21:47 +0000
          Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 17:51 -0400
          Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-10 11:33 +1300
            Re: Question on MBPro John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-09 16:17 -0700
      Re: Question on MBPro Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-03-09 14:57 -0400
        Re: Question on MBPro Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-10 09:53 -0400
      Re: Question on MBPro Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 12:37 -0700
        Re: Question on MBPro tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-10 00:20 +0000
          Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 09:10 +1300
            Re: Question on MBPro Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-10 13:18 -0700
              Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 20:37 +0000
              Re: Question on MBPro Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-10 18:16 -0400
                Re: Question on MBPro Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-10 15:19 -0700
                Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 00:20 +0000
                  Re: Question on MBPro Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-10 17:44 -0700
                    Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 14:37 +0000
                      Re: Question on MBPro tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-12 03:29 +0000
                        Re: Question on MBPro Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-12 01:51 -0400
                          Re: Question on MBPro tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-12 06:12 +0000
                  Re: Question on MBPro Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-10 17:46 -0700
            Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-10 16:19 -0400
              Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 20:38 +0000
              Re: Question on MBPro Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-10 21:51 +0000
                Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-10 17:57 -0400
            Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-10 17:17 -0400
          Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 09:11 +1300
    Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-09 14:41 -0400
    Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-10 07:47 +1300
      Re: Question on MBPro Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-09 15:04 -0400
        Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 15:08 -0500
          Re: Question on MBPro Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 12:35 -0700
            Re: Question on MBPro John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-09 14:04 -0700
        Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:44 +1300
          Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-09 17:12 -0400
            Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 13:40 +1300
              Re: Question on MBPro Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-10 10:52 -0400
                Re: Question on MBPro Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 09:29 -0700
                Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 09:18 +1300
                  Re: Question on MBPro Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-10 16:55 -0400
                    Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 21:01 +0000
                      Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-10 17:17 -0400
                        Re: Question on MBPro Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 21:39 +0000
                        Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-10 17:40 -0400
                          Re: Question on MBPro Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2015-03-12 22:12 -0400
                    Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 13:19 +1300
                      Re: Question on MBPro Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 18:03 -0700
                      Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-11 14:49 +1300
                        Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 16:07 +1300
                          Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-10 23:09 -0400
                          Re: Question on MBPro dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-11 17:32 +1300
                            Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 18:28 +1300
                            Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-13 01:39 -0400
                              Re: Question on MBPro Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 05:51 +0000
                                Re: Question on MBPro nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 02:10 -0400
                                Re: Question on MBPro Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-12 23:51 -0700
                              Re: Question on MBPro Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 09:00 -0400
                      Re: Question on MBPro JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-11 01:57 -0400
          Re: Question on MBPro Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-09 20:33 -0400
            Re: Question on MBPro Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2015-03-10 11:49 -0700
              Re: Question on MBPro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 09:14 +1300
    Re: Question on MBPro Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-09 18:57 +0000

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#70712 — Question on MBPro

FromKurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
Date2015-03-09 14:19 -0400
SubjectQuestion on MBPro
Message-ID<0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
   "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in 
favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected, 
Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging, 
display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called 
USB-C."
     I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work 
so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one 
port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main 
back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as 
a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record 
interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer. 
     My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#70714

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-03-09 14:39 -0500
Message-ID<090320151439432611%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#70712
In article <0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
>    "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in 
> favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected, 
> Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging, 
> display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called 
> USB-C."
>      I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work 
> so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one 
> port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main 
> back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as 
> a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record 
> interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer. 
>      My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?

the macbook pro has all ports. 

the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
sort.

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#70718

FromKurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
Date2015-03-09 14:52 -0400
Message-ID<GaCdnTTP0ItBdmDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#70714
Thanks for the clairifications from all of you. All of these different 
flavors of MB are confusing to me sometimes..
K


In article <090320151439432611%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
> >    "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in 
> > favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected, 
> > Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging, 
> > display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called 
> > USB-C."
> >      I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work 
> > so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one 
> > port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main 
> > back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as 
> > a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record 
> > interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer. 
> >      My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?
> 
> the macbook pro has all ports. 
> 
> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> sort.
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#70747

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2015-03-10 09:46 +1300
Message-ID<100320150946219035%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#70718
In article <GaCdnTTP0ItBdmDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the clairifications from all of you. All of these different 
> flavors of MB are confusing to me sometimes..

Yep, it looks like Apple is slowly going back to the bad ol' days of a
huge number of different devices and models.

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#70722

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-03-10 07:56 +1300
Message-ID<1m125v1.qtl3l9su6zf3N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#70714
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
> >    "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in
> > favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected,
> > Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging,
> > display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called
> > USB-C."
> >      I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work
> > so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one
> > port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main
> > back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as
> > a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record
> > interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer. 
> >      My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?
> 
> the macbook pro has all ports. 
> 
> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> sort.

Apple is already advertising multiport video adapters, which have a
power input (also USB-C), HDMI or VGA output (two different products),
and a USB-A connector.

Not cheap: US$79 each.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#70748

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2015-03-10 09:48 +1300
Message-ID<100320150948175991%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#70722
In article <1m125v1.qtl3l9su6zf3N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> > Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
> > >    "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in
> > > favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected,
> > > Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging,
> > > display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called
> > > USB-C."
> > >      I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work
> > > so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one
> > > port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main
> > > back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as
> > > a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record
> > > interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer. 
> > >      My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?
> > 
> > the macbook pro has all ports. 
> > 
> > the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> > sort.
> 
> Apple is already advertising multiport video adapters, which have a
> power input (also USB-C), HDMI or VGA output (two different products),
> and a USB-A connector.
> 
> Not cheap: US$79 each.

No doubt someone will also make a docking station for desktop use which
give you access to all those at once ... assuming the connection
standard allows multiple types at the same time like Thunderbolt does.

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#70753

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2015-03-09 14:06 -0700
Message-ID<mdl202$vov$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70722
On 3/9/15   PDT 11:56 AM, David Empson wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
>> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
>>>     "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in
>>> favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected,
>>> Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging,
>>> display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called
>>> USB-C."
>>>       I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work
>>> so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one
>>> port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main
>>> back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as
>>> a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record
>>> interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer.
>>>       My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?
>>
>> the macbook pro has all ports.
>>
>> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
>> sort.
>
> Apple is already advertising multiport video adapters, which have a
> power input (also USB-C), HDMI or VGA output (two different products),
> and a USB-A connector.
>
> Not cheap: US$79 each.

Possibly a better value than $29 for a simple FW->Thunderbolt connector!

It surprises me that VGA is still supported, as I haven't used same for 
many years. What drives that decision?

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#70755

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-03-09 17:14 -0400
Message-ID<54fe0d24$0$19827$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#70753
On 15-03-09 17:06, John McWilliams wrote:

> It surprises me that VGA is still supported, as I haven't used same for 
> many years. What drives that decision?


Conference rooms use VGA adaptors to let people plug in their laptops to
do their presentations on large screens.

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#70758

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-03-09 21:47 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmfs59c.ucd.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#70755
Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
> On 15-03-09 17:06, John McWilliams wrote:

>> It surprises me that VGA is still supported, as I haven't used same for 
>> many years. What drives that decision?

> Conference rooms use VGA adaptors to let people plug in their laptops to
> do their presentations on large screens.

Conference rooms that haven't updated their projectors in a decade or more.

It's been a long time since I saw a projector without DVI, but often the
morons at hotels pretend the DVI port on the projector is a 500,000volt
"death touch" device.

-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com
And there were all the stars, looking remarkably like powered diamonds
spilled on black velvet, the stars that lured and ultimately called the
boldest towards them...

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#70759

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-03-09 17:51 -0400
Message-ID<090320151751065513%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#70753
In article <mdl202$vov$2@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> It surprises me that VGA is still supported, as I haven't used same for 
> many years. What drives that decision?

video projectors in places that haven't received the memo that vga has
been dead for a long time.

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#70765

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-03-10 11:33 +1300
Message-ID<1m12f4l.euf41j14kw3qmN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#70753
John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 3/9/15   PDT 11:56 AM, David Empson wrote:
> > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> >> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
> >>>     "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in
> >>> favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected,
> >>> Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging,
> >>> display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called
> >>> USB-C."
> >>>       I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work
> >>> so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one
> >>> port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main
> >>> back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as
> >>> a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record
> >>> interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer.
> >>>       My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?
> >>
> >> the macbook pro has all ports.
> >>
> >> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> >> sort.
> >
> > Apple is already advertising multiport video adapters, which have a
> > power input (also USB-C), HDMI or VGA output (two different products),
> > and a USB-A connector.
> >
> > Not cheap: US$79 each.
> 
> Possibly a better value than $29 for a simple FW->Thunderbolt connector!

A Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter is not a "simple" peripheral. It
incorporates a Firewire controller chipset (MAC plus PHY), as well as
the necessary Thunderbolt interface hardware, and probably some power
management. I'm surprised it was that cheap, especially given how much
Apple charges for Thunderbolt cables. The Ethernet adapter may be a
little simpler internally (no power distribution, and I expect Ethernet
controllers are cheaper than Firewire controllers).

Compare the USB Type-C to USB Type-A adapter Apple is now advertising
for the new MacBook, which is exactly the same price as the Firewire
adapter (US$29). It probably has a single chip inside to act as a 1-port
USB hub.

The new display adapters need a DisplayPort to HDMI or VGA converter,
something to split the alternate protocol away from USB 3.1, and a small
USB hub.

Compare them to the iPad display adapters, which are only US$49. The
only difference obvious to the user is that the MacBook adapter has an
extra USB socket on it, which apparently makes it worth $30 more.

> It surprises me that VGA is still supported, as I haven't used same for
> many years. What drives that decision?

Many projectors are still in use which have VGA but not HDMI input, and
I expect they are installed all over the place, e.g. hotel confererence
rooms and business meeting rooms.

My user group retired our old projetor just over a year ago, mainly
because we wanted 16:10 aspect ratio instead of 4:3. The old one was
still going strong after about 12 years. It only had VGA and composite
inputs. The new one has way more input options.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#70783

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2015-03-09 16:17 -0700
Message-ID<mdl9l1$f6t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70765
On 3/9/15   PDT 3:33 PM, David Empson wrote:
> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/9/15   PDT 11:56 AM, David Empson wrote:
>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
>>>> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
>>>>>      "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in
>>>>> favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected,
>>>>> Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging,
>>>>> display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called
>>>>> USB-C."
>>>>>        I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work
>>>>> so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one
>>>>> port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main
>>>>> back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as
>>>>> a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record
>>>>> interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer.
>>>>>        My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?
>>>>
>>>> the macbook pro has all ports.
>>>>
>>>> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
>>>> sort.
>>>
>>> Apple is already advertising multiport video adapters, which have a
>>> power input (also USB-C), HDMI or VGA output (two different products),
>>> and a USB-A connector.
>>>
>>> Not cheap: US$79 each.
>>
>> Possibly a better value than $29 for a simple FW->Thunderbolt connector!
>
> A Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter is not a "simple" peripheral. It
> incorporates a Firewire controller chipset (MAC plus PHY), as well as
> the necessary Thunderbolt interface hardware, and probably some power
> management. I'm surprised it was that cheap, especially given how much
> Apple charges for Thunderbolt cables. The Ethernet adapter may be a
> little simpler internally (no power distribution, and I expect Ethernet
> controllers are cheaper than Firewire controllers).
>
> Compare the USB Type-C to USB Type-A adapter Apple is now advertising
> for the new MacBook, which is exactly the same price as the Firewire
> adapter (US$29). It probably has a single chip inside to act as a 1-port
> USB hub.
>
> The new display adapters need a DisplayPort to HDMI or VGA converter,
> something to split the alternate protocol away from USB 3.1, and a small
> USB hub.
>
> Compare them to the iPad display adapters, which are only US$49. The
> only difference obvious to the user is that the MacBook adapter has an
> extra USB socket on it, which apparently makes it worth $30 more.
>
>> It surprises me that VGA is still supported, as I haven't used same for
>> many years. What drives that decision?
>
> Many projectors are still in use which have VGA but not HDMI input, and
> I expect they are installed all over the place, e.g. hotel confererence
> rooms and business meeting rooms.
>
> My user group retired our old projetor just over a year ago, mainly
> because we wanted 16:10 aspect ratio instead of 4:3. The old one was
> still going strong after about 12 years. It only had VGA and composite
> inputs. The new one has way more input options.
>
Thanks. I was a bit cavalier about what the adapter is.

And I haven't suffered through any hotel presentations in an eon.....

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#70723

FromAldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net>
Date2015-03-09 14:57 -0400
Message-ID<mdkqfd$7ek$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#70714
On 3/9/15 3:39 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <0OOdnQv607OJeWDJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The blog from the Apple Event mentioned:
>>     "Apple is dropping many of the connection ports, such as USB, in
>> favor of wireless technology. But when something needs to be connected,
>> Apple is offering a single port that can be used for power charging,
>> display output and accessories. It uses an emerging technology called
>> USB-C."
>>       I use my current MBP more as desktop, although I do travel for work
>> so I also use it a lot as laptop. I now have the monitor through one
>> port, the ethernet through another, one of the USB ports has the main
>> back up whilst the other has a USB hub that has the thumbdrive I use as
>> a secondary back up for the articles I write, the iMic so I can record
>> interviews to Audacity, and USB input for my printer.
>>       My question is if I get a new MBP am I screwed?
>
> the macbook pro has all ports.
>
> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> sort.
>

Yeah, I'm sure that will work well and be widely accepted--- kinda' like 
Thunderbolt has been ;-)

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#70792

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2015-03-10 09:53 -0400
Message-ID<100320150953110042%star@sky.net>
In reply to#70723
Kurt Ullman:
> > ...the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> > sort.

Aldo Raine:
> Yeah, I'm sure that will work well and be widely accepted--- kinda' like 
> Thunderbolt has been ;-)

They were all like "You're a Creative Pro. You must have FireWire! You
must have Gigabit Ethernet! You must have a 17" MacBook Pro!" Then they
were all like Obi-Wan Kenobi, waving their hand in front of our faces
and saying "You don't need FireWire or Ethernet. You don't need a
larger display for graphics. You need Thunderbolt!" So we look at each
other and say "FireWire and Ethernet aren't the ports we're looking
for. Move along." Now it seems as if we're moving toward "You don't
need ports at all!"

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you will say in your entire life.

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#70732

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2015-03-09 12:37 -0700
Message-ID<090320151237249000%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#70714
In article <090320151439432611%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> sort.

One Port to rule them all, One Port to find them,
One Port to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

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#70778

Fromtmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com>
Date2015-03-10 00:20 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmfse8l.267c.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local>
In reply to#70732
On 2015-03-09, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <090320151439432611%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
><nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
>> sort.
>
> One Port to rule them all, One Port to find them,
> One Port to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

The Eye of Jobs?  ;)


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#70812

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2015-03-11 09:10 +1300
Message-ID<110320150910530394%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#70778
In article <slrnmfse8l.267c.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local>, tmo1138
<tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-09, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <090320151439432611%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> ><nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
> >> sort.
> >
> > One Port to rule them all, One Port to find them,
> > One Port to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
> 
> The Eye of Jobs?  ;)

Technically the new MacBook has two ports ... a USB-C on one side and
and a headphone on the other side.

The problem (until someone makes a double adapter) could be charging
the laptop while using an external USB drive, for example.

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#70816

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2015-03-10 13:18 -0700
Message-ID<mdnjit$a69$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#70812
On 2015-03-10 20:10:53 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <slrnmfse8l.267c.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local>, tmo1138
> <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-03-09, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> In article <090320151439432611%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> the new macbook has one port and there will no doubt be a dock of some
>>>> sort.
>>> 
>>> One Port to rule them all, One Port to find them,
>>> One Port to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
>> 
>> The Eye of Jobs?  ;)
> 
> Technically the new MacBook has two ports ... a USB-C on one side and
> and a headphone on the other side.
> 
> The problem (until someone makes a double adapter) could be charging
> the laptop while using an external USB drive, for example.

Not a problem at all, actually.

Apple is already showing on the store two adapters that provide 
precisely that functionality:

<http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter> 


<http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1L2AM/A/usb-c-vga-multiport-adapter>

Both include this text:

"while also connecting a standard USB device and a USB-C charging cable."

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#70819

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-03-10 20:37 +0000
Message-ID<cm9304FrdsdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70816
On 2015-03-10, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
> Not a problem at all, actually.
>
> Apple is already showing on the store two adapters that provide 
> precisely that functionality:
>
><http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter> 
>
><http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1L2AM/A/usb-c-vga-multiport-adapter>
>
> Both include this text:
>
> "while also connecting a standard USB device and a USB-C charging cable."

Cue the inevitable "OMG I have to purchase an additional adapter"
complaints...

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#70833

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2015-03-10 18:16 -0400
Message-ID<100320151816520858%star@sky.net>
In reply to#70816
Alan Baker: 
> Not a problem at all, actually.
> 
> Apple is already showing on the store two adapters that provide 
> precisely that functionality:

> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapte
> r> 

> <http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MJ1L2AM/A/usb-c-vga-multiport-adapter>
> 
> Both include this text:

> "while also connecting a standard USB device and a USB-C charging cable."

Both also include this text: "$99.00."

-- 
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you will say in your entire life.

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