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  Stealth upgrade ? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-26 20:01 -0500
    Re: Stealth upgrade ? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 20:06 -0500
      Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-27 04:03 +0000
      Re: Stealth upgrade ? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-26 23:39 -0500
        Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-27 13:37 +0000
          Re: Stealth upgrade ? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-27 10:33 -0500
            Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-27 15:44 +0000
            Re: Stealth upgrade ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-27 16:50 +0000
            Re: Stealth upgrade ? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-27 09:14 -0800
              Re: Stealth upgrade ? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-27 16:09 -0500
                Re: Stealth upgrade ? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-02-27 14:16 -0800
        Re: Stealth upgrade ? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-27 08:47 -0500
          Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-27 14:01 +0000
            Re: Stealth upgrade ? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-27 09:12 -0500
              Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-27 14:15 +0000
          Re: Stealth upgrade ? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-27 10:53 -0500
          Re: Stealth upgrade ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-27 11:30 -0500
    Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-27 04:03 +0000
      Re: Stealth upgrade ? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-26 23:37 -0500
        Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-27 13:35 +0000
          Re: Stealth upgrade ? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-27 16:30 -0500
            Re: Stealth upgrade ? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-27 22:36 +0000
              Re: Stealth upgrade ? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-27 18:40 -0500
            Re: Stealth upgrade ? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-02-28 12:51 +1300
              Re: Stealth upgrade ? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-27 19:03 -0500
                Re: Stealth upgrade ? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-02-28 13:38 +1300
                  Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-28 02:36 +0000
                  Re: Stealth upgrade ? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-27 22:23 -0500
                    Re: Stealth upgrade ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-28 15:04 +0000
                      Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-28 15:23 +0000
                        Re: Stealth upgrade ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-28 16:52 +0000
                          Re: Stealth upgrade ? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-01 14:48 -0500
                            Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-01 19:59 +0000
                Re: Stealth upgrade ? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-28 08:13 -0500
              Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-28 02:34 +0000
            Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-28 02:28 +0000
    Re: Stealth upgrade ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-27 11:38 -0500
      Re: Stealth upgrade ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-27 16:46 +0000

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#70265 — Stealth upgrade ?

Laptop. 10.10.1

Used to be that opening the clamshell rarely caused the WiFi signal to
connect. This week, it magically worked everytime I opened the laptop.

I do not use the laptop long enough for it to prompt me to install newer
versions of the OS.

Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
"covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
automatically without user intervention, right ?

Is there some log that shows all software updates applied to the
machione, eother overtly or covertly ?

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#70266

In article <54efc1d3$0$64427$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
> "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
> automatically without user intervention, right ?

Seriously?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70273

On 2015-02-27, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <54efc1d3$0$64427$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>,
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
>> "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
>> automatically without user intervention, right ?
>
> Seriously?

His not-so-subtle way of trolling Apple, as usual.

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#70275

JF Mezei:
> > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
> > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
> > automatically without user intervention, right ?

Warren Oates:
> Seriously?

Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.

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you will say in your entire life.

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#70282

On 2015-02-27, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> JF Mezei:
>> > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
>> > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
>> > automatically without user intervention, right ?
>
> Warren Oates:
>> Seriously?
>
> Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
> automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
> hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
> sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
> the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.

Best to keep it under your tin foil hat, as typical fedoras do not block
extraterrestrial and government covert radio waves.

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#70288

In article <clba8hF3t1iU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-02-27, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> > JF Mezei:
> >> > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
> >> > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
> >> > automatically without user intervention, right ?
> >
> > Warren Oates:
> >> Seriously?
> >
> > Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
> > automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
> > hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
> > sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
> > the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.
> 
> Best to keep it under your tin foil hat, as typical fedoras do not block
> extraterrestrial and government covert radio waves.

The guys at MIT actually looked at this and found that tin (actually 
aluminum) foil tends to concentrate and not repel signals in the main 
governmental frequencies.
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#70289

On 2015-02-27, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <clba8hF3t1iU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-02-27, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> > JF Mezei:
>> >> > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
>> >> > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
>> >> > automatically without user intervention, right ?
>> >
>> > Warren Oates:
>> >> Seriously?
>> >
>> > Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
>> > automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
>> > hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
>> > sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
>> > the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.
>> 
>> Best to keep it under your tin foil hat, as typical fedoras do not block
>> extraterrestrial and government covert radio waves.
>
> The guys at MIT actually looked at this and found that tin (actually 
> aluminum) foil tends to concentrate and not repel signals in the main 
> governmental frequencies.

I see! Well, I'm anything but an expert on the matter of avoiding
covert government and extraterrestrial influences. So I'll have to defer
to those who are in-the-know! : )

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#70294

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> was all, like:
> In article <clba8hF3t1iU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2015-02-27, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> > JF Mezei:
>> >> > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
>> >> > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
>> >> > automatically without user intervention, right ?
>> >
>> > Warren Oates:
>> >> Seriously?
>> >
>> > Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
>> > automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
>> > hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
>> > sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
>> > the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.
>> 
>> Best to keep it under your tin foil hat, as typical fedoras do not block
>> extraterrestrial and government covert radio waves.

> The guys at MIT actually looked at this and found that tin (actually 
> aluminum) foil tends to concentrate and not repel signals in the main 
> governmental frequencies.

Damnit, you're not supposed to tell them!

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and to hear the lamentation of the women

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#70295

In article <cbCdnfP5vKmhE23JnZ2dnUU7-KudnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <clba8hF3t1iU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-02-27, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> > > JF Mezei:
> > >> > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
> > >> > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
> > >> > automatically without user intervention, right ?
> > >
> > > Warren Oates:
> > >> Seriously?
> > >
> > > Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
> > > automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
> > > hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
> > > sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
> > > the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.
> > 
> > Best to keep it under your tin foil hat, as typical fedoras do not block
> > extraterrestrial and government covert radio waves.
> 
> The guys at MIT actually looked at this and found that tin (actually 
> aluminum) foil tends to concentrate and not repel signals in the main 
> governmental frequencies.

Sheesh... The ignorance of some people never fails to astound me! That's 
only if you're one of the idiots stupid enough to build the hat with the 
shiny side *IN*. Everybody else knows that if the shiny side is out, 
you're safe.

(Also 10 feet tall and bulletproof)

-- 
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#70306

In article <mcq8fs$56l$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> 
wrote:

> 
> Sheesh... The ignorance of some people never fails to astound me! That's 
> only if you're one of the idiots stupid enough to build the hat with the 
> shiny side *IN*. Everybody else knows that if the shiny side is out, 
> you're safe

I get best result from the non-stick stuff, with theshiny side out. It's 
expensive, but protecting my family is worth every penny.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70312

On 2/27/15   PDT 1:09 PM, Warren Oates wrote:
> In article <mcq8fs$56l$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sheesh... The ignorance of some people never fails to astound me!
>> That's only if you're one of the idiots stupid enough to build the hat
>> with the shiny side *IN*. Everybody else knows that if the shiny side
>> is out, you're safe
>
> I get best result from the non-stick stuff, with theshiny side out. It's
> expensive, but protecting my family is worth every penny.

I am surprised no one has mentioned that it needs to be double strength 
(heavy duty) alum. foil, and double layered over the pate.

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#70283

In article <260220152339154841%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> JF Mezei:
> > > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
> > > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
> > > automatically without user intervention, right ?
> 
> Warren Oates:
> > Seriously?
> 
> Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
> automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
> hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
> sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
> the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.

Hmm. I did get a phone call from a young man sporting an outrageous 
Subcontinental accent advising me that my computer was infecting the 
Internet and offering to help out with the problem if I had a credit 
card handy. Is this related to Apple's iPush updates?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70285

On 2015-02-27, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <260220152339154841%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> JF Mezei:
>> > > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
>> > > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
>> > > automatically without user intervention, right ?
>> 
>> Warren Oates:
>> > Seriously?
>> 
>> Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
>> automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
>> hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
>> sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
>> the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.
>
> Hmm. I did get a phone call from a young man sporting an outrageous 
> Subcontinental accent advising me that my computer was infecting the 
> Internet and offering to help out with the problem if I had a credit 
> card handy. Is this related to Apple's iPush updates?

Doesn't Apple's covert NDA agreement prohibit you from discussing this
in public, Warren?

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#70286

In article <clbblcF3t1iU9@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Doesn't Apple's covert NDA agreement prohibit you from discussing this
> in public, Warren?

Covert memos don't get past my firewall, so I'm not sure.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70287

On 2015-02-27, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <clbblcF3t1iU9@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't Apple's covert NDA agreement prohibit you from discussing this
>> in public, Warren?
>
> Covert memos don't get past my firewall, so I'm not sure.

Are you sure?? Not unlike covert updates, you could have unknowingly
signed it, and Apple did not tell you about it!

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

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#70290

JF Mezei:
> > > > Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
> > > > "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
> > > > automatically without user intervention, right ?

Warren Oates:
> > > Seriously?

Davoud:
> > Ah, you weren't aware of this. Unfortunately, the process is not
> > automated, so Apple employs UN operatives, Masonic Jews, Obama's Muslim
> > hordes, the Elders of Zion, the minions of the New World Order, and
> > sundry Papists to do the covert installations. Supervision rests with
> > the Federal Reserve. But keep that under your hat.

Warren Oates:
> Hmm. I did get a phone call from a young man sporting an outrageous 
> Subcontinental accent advising me that my computer was infecting the 
> Internet and offering to help out with the problem if I had a credit 
> card handy. Is this related to Apple's iPush updates?

Didn't I just tell you not to talk about this?

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#70291

On 2015.02.27 08:47 , Warren Oates wrote:

> Hmm. I did get a phone call from a young man sporting an outrageous
> Subcontinental accent advising me that my computer was infecting the
> Internet and offering to help out with the problem if I had a credit
> card handy. Is this related to Apple's iPush updates?

It sort of falls apart when he says, "Okay then, now point your mouse at 
the 'Start' button and press that ..."


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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#70272

On 2015-02-27, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Laptop. 10.10.1
>
> Used to be that opening the clamshell rarely caused the WiFi signal to
> connect. This week, it magically worked everytime I opened the laptop.

Many things can change that behavior. You could have restarted the
computer since the last time you tried. Cache files may have been
automatically deleted. Something about your WiFi access point may have
changed. Neighboring access points may have changed. You may have
deleted unnecessary remembered networks from the System Preferences >
Network > WiFi > Preferred Networks list. The list goes on.

> I do not use the laptop long enough for it to prompt me to install newer
> versions of the OS.

Interesting that you immediately jump to the conclusion that a system
update must be the cause.

> Since 10.10.1 is out of date, I have to assume Apple would issue
> "covert" patches for it, the types that are pushed to the laptop
> automatically without user intervention, right ?

And now it's a "covert" system update from the ever nefarious Apple!
Yes, that must be it!

> Is there some log that shows all software updates applied to the
> machione, eother overtly or covertly ?

App Store > Updates. Stop with the nonsense. Apple isn't out to fuck
with your head, no matter how many times you make that insinuation.

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#70274

On 15-02-26 23:03, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Interesting that you immediately jump to the conclusion that a system
> update must be the cause.

Because the laptop changed behaviour (improved) without any other
changes or reboot to router, reboot to laptop, messing with the system
preferences etc.

> And now it's a "covert" system update from the ever nefarious Apple!
> Yes, that must be it!

I did not say nefarious. But you should be aware, and it was revealed
that Apple is able and has pushed security updates transparently to
users, it is one of the capabilities that recent versions of OS-X have.

> App Store > Updates. 

Do those show the updates that are done under the hood without going
through the App store ?

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#70281

On 2015-02-27, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-02-26 23:03, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Interesting that you immediately jump to the conclusion that a system
>> update must be the cause.
>
> Because the laptop changed behaviour (improved) without any other
> changes or reboot to router, reboot to laptop, messing with the system
> preferences etc.

As I already mentioned and you conveniently trimmed because it doesn't
support your "Apple is out to get me" theory, there are plenty of other
potential reasons. I'm not listing them all for you. If you choose to
believe Apple is fucking with your head, so be it.

>> And now it's a "covert" system update from the ever nefarious Apple!
>> Yes, that must be it!
>
> I did not say nefarious.

"Covert" was sufficient. 

*covert*
adjective |ˈkōvərt, kōˈvərt, ˈkəvərt|
1 not openly acknowledged or displayed: covert operations against the
dictatorship.

Either you don't know what that word means, or you are disingenuously
claiming that Apple did not acknowledge or display that the update was
applied, both of which are untrue. 

Systems that were updated displayed a notification stating that the
update was applied, as shown here:

<http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/12/apple-automatically-patches-macs-to-fix-severe-ntp-security-flaw/>

Apple published information about the update on their web site as well:

<http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT6601>

The update was not automatically installed on any Macs running 10.8,
10.9, or 10.10 where the owner did not enable the "Install system data
files and security updates" option in System Preferences > Software
Update / App Store preferences, and the update was not automatically
installed at all on any Macs running 10.7 or earlier. 

Mac users are in full control, and nothing about this is "not openly
acknowledged or displayed" as you claim. This is just more of your
typical Apple trolling on display.

> But you should be aware, and it was revealed that Apple is able and
> has pushed security updates transparently to users, it is one of the
> capabilities that recent versions of OS-X have.

It was revealed? Anyone who has visited System Preferences > Software
Update (10.7) or System Preferences > App Store (10.8, 10.9, or 10.10)
since the year 2011 has seen the option to automatically install
security updates. Apparently you have been living under a rock the past
4 years.

>> App Store > Updates. 
>
> Do those show the updates that are done under the hood without going
> through the App store ?

Of course. The NTP security update was displayed there, along with all
of the rest of them. Apple isn't hiding anything from you.

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