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  What usenet client are you using? John Thornley <thornjohn@gmail.com> - 2015-02-17 21:21 +0000
    Re: What usenet client are you using? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-17 17:36 -0500
      Re: What usenet client are you using? heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> - 2015-02-17 15:15 -0800
        Re: What usenet client are you using? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-17 16:45 -0800
          Re: What usenet client are you using? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-02-19 12:48 -0600
          Re: What usenet client are you using? Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2015-02-19 19:38 -0800
        Re: What usenet client are you using? ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2015-02-18 22:50 +0100
      Re: What usenet client are you using? heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> - 2015-02-17 15:16 -0800
      Re: What usenet client are you using? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-02-18 19:05 -0800
    Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-02-18 02:40 +0000
      Re: What usenet client are you using? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-17 20:25 -0800
        Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-02-18 04:32 +0000
    Re: What usenet client are you using? John  <email@domain.com> - 2015-02-18 00:18 -0600
      Re: What usenet client are you using? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-17 23:05 -0800
    Re: What usenet client are you using? Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2015-02-18 12:47 +0000
      Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-18 17:53 +0000
    Re: What usenet client are you using? unfrostedpoptart <david@therogoffs.com> - 2015-02-18 11:12 -0800
      Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-18 19:16 +0000
        Re: What usenet client are you using? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-18 16:43 -0800
          Re: What usenet client are you using? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-19 04:46 +0000
          Re: What usenet client are you using? Moi <moi@moimoimoi.net> - 2015-02-18 21:31 -0800
        Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-02-24 06:13 +1300
          Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-23 17:28 +0000
      Re: What usenet client are you using? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-19 11:34 +0000
    Re: What usenet client are you using? Bob E. <bespoke@invalid.tv> - 2015-02-18 21:34 -0800
      Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-02-19 06:04 +0000
        Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-02-24 06:04 +1300
          Re: What usenet client are you using? Bob E. <bespoke@invalid.tv> - 2015-03-07 20:37 -0800
            Re: What usenet client are you using? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-08 17:49 +1300
              Re: What usenet client are you using? M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-03-08 09:35 -0500
                Re: What usenet client are you using? M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-03-08 09:39 -0500
                Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-08 18:31 +0000
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-08 19:22 +0000
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-08 19:39 +0000
                Re: What usenet client are you using? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-09 08:56 +1300
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-08 19:58 +0000
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-03-08 16:42 -0400
                      Re: What usenet client are you using? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-09 13:31 +1300
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-09 14:17 +0000
                      Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-10 00:18 +0000
                        Re: What usenet client are you using? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-10 21:50 +0000
                          Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-11 04:46 +0000
                            Re: What usenet client are you using? M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-03-11 09:21 -0400
                              Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-12 03:16 +0000
            Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-03-08 06:04 +0100
            Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-08 19:48 +1300
              Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-03-08 10:57 +0100
                Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-08 23:29 +1300
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-03-08 11:36 +0100
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? christian150205@ghanart.org (Christian) - 2015-03-08 12:18 +0100
              Re: What usenet client are you using? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-09 10:48 +1300
                Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-09 14:33 +1300
    Re: What usenet client are you using? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-02-21 17:16 +0000
      Re: What usenet client are you using? Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2015-02-22 13:20 +0000
      Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-02-24 06:13 +1300
    Re: What usenet client are you using? Bill F <anon@anonumost.org> - 2015-02-22 17:56 -0500
      Re: What usenet client are you using? Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-02-23 00:05 +0100
        Re: What usenet client are you using? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-02-22 21:20 -0800
          Re: What usenet client are you using? Leonard Oglesby <email@domain.com> - 2015-02-22 21:48 -0800
      Re: What usenet client are you using? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2015-02-22 17:07 -0600
        Re: What usenet client are you using? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-22 23:48 -0800
          Re: What usenet client are you using? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-23 11:49 -0500
            Re: What usenet client are you using? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-02-25 23:01 -0500
      Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-23 15:45 +0000
        Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-02-24 06:13 +1300
          Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-24 03:25 +0000
            Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-02-24 22:03 +1300
              Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-02-24 12:06 +0100
                Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-24 15:48 +0000
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-24 08:29 -0800
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-02-24 18:08 +0100
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-25 16:09 +0000
                      Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-02-25 17:27 +0100
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-02-25 11:58 +1300
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-25 16:04 +0000
              Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-24 15:40 +0000
              Re: What usenet client are you using? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-24 16:15 +0000
              Re: What usenet client are you using? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-25 10:15 +0000
                Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-02-25 12:01 +0100
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-02-26 03:19 +1300
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-25 14:31 +0000
                      Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-25 17:34 +0000
                        Re: What usenet client are you using? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-02-26 08:55 +1300
                          Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-25 21:16 +0000
                Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-02-27 03:39 +0000
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-02-27 05:10 +0000
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-27 09:29 +0000
              Re: What usenet client are you using? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-25 07:40 -0500
              Re: What usenet client are you using? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-02-26 05:12 +0000
                Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-02-26 08:39 +0100
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 08:40 -0500
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-26 14:06 +0000
                      Re: What usenet client are you using? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 10:22 -0500
                        Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-26 15:32 +0000
                          Re: What usenet client are you using? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-26 17:30 +0000
                            Re: What usenet client are you using? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 13:21 -0500
                            Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-26 18:45 +0000
                          Re: What usenet client are you using? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 13:20 -0500
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? android <here@there.was> - 2015-02-26 15:19 +0100
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-26 15:28 +0000
                      Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-26 15:39 +0000
                        Re: What usenet client are you using? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-26 17:25 +0000
                          Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-26 18:32 +0000
                            Re: What usenet client are you using? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-26 23:17 +0000
                              Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-26 23:48 +0000
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-26 14:04 +0000
                Re: What usenet client are you using? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-26 14:03 +0000
                Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-26 15:32 +0000
                  Re: What usenet client are you using? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 13:19 -0500
                    Re: What usenet client are you using? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-27 03:15 +0000

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#70130

On 2015-02-22 23:07:00 +0000, TaliesinSoft said:

> On 2015-02-22 22:56:59 +0000, Bill F said:
> 
>> I tried Unison 2.2  on my 2012 MBA but it froze too often.  I returned 
>> back to Unison 2.1 which I had been using with no problems.    If 
>> anyone has any advice on how to make 2.2 more stable please post it 
>> here.
> 
> I'm using Unison 2.2 under Yosemit 10.10.2 and I am not experiencing 
> any problems.

It sounds like everybody is happy.

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#70139

On 2015.02.23 02:48 , gtr wrote:
> On 2015-02-22 23:07:00 +0000, TaliesinSoft said:
>
>> On 2015-02-22 22:56:59 +0000, Bill F said:
>>
>>> I tried Unison 2.2  on my 2012 MBA but it froze too often.  I
>>> returned back to Unison 2.1 which I had been using with no
>>> problems.    If anyone has any advice on how to make 2.2 more stable
>>> please post it here.
>>
>> I'm using Unison 2.2 under Yosemit 10.10.2 and I am not experiencing
>> any problems.
>
> It sounds like everybody is happy.

See the other poster above.

For my part, Unison 2.2 does not DL multipart binaries correctly. 
(10.10.2).


-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
                                   Benjamin Franklin

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#70229

I use Thunderbird for reading and posting to the text-based 
groups, like this one.

For binary groups, I use Unison (and had problems with 
version 2.2, so I went back to 1.8). Barring any new 
software developments, I'll continue to use Unison until it 
will no longer run.

Having said that, I'm still back on 10.8.5 as my "main OS" 
on this late-2012 Mini, with no plans to upgrade further at 
this time.

(Aside: I -do- experiment with Yosemite as well, but have 
decided not to commit to it yet...)

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#70137

For your reference, records indicate that 
Bill F <anon@anonumost.org> wrote:

> I tried Unison 2.2  on my 2012 MBA but it froze too often.  I returned 
> back to Unison 2.1 which I had been using with no problems.    If 
> anyone has any advice on how to make 2.2 more stable please post it 
> here.

My advice: give Panic a boatload of money.  Hell, even a modest $10K might
convince the developer to bring it out of retirement and put an extra coat
of polish on it.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#70143

Doc O'Leary <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Bill F <anon@anonumost.org> wrote:
> 
> > I tried Unison 2.2  on my 2012 MBA but it froze too often.  I returned
> > back to Unison 2.1 which I had been using with no problems.    If 
> > anyone has any advice on how to make 2.2 more stable please post it
> > here.
> 
> My advice: give Panic a boatload of money.  Hell, even a modest $10K might
> convince the developer to bring it out of retirement and put an extra coat
> of polish on it.

Ehhh... I don't know that I'd pick Panic to make a decent modern OSX GUI
Usenet client. Unison always seemed like a half-baked experiment to me.
Maybe for $10K we would get a decent client (though for text I'd still
stick with MacSOUP). But a couple years down the road and you just know
Panic would have abandoned it again. What are we gonna do - pay 'em $10K
every few years? Heh.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#70164

For your reference, records indicate that 
jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Ehhh... I don't know that I'd pick Panic to make a decent modern OSX GUI
> Usenet client. Unison always seemed like a half-baked experiment to me.

I’d agree, which is why I started writing Signal, but the topic at hand
was to get an improved Unison experience.  The only way to do that is to
bring it back from the dead, and (probably) the only way to do that would
be to make it worth someone’s while.

> Maybe for $10K we would get a decent client (though for text I'd still
> stick with MacSOUP).

No, you’d have to start at $20K for a decent client.  More if you want it
to do binaries and other such things.

> But a couple years down the road and you just know
> Panic would have abandoned it again. What are we gonna do - pay 'em $10K
> every few years? Heh.

It’s almost like software development has ongoing expenses . . .

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#70168

Doc O'Leary <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 
> > Ehhh... I don't know that I'd pick Panic to make a decent modern OSX GUI
> > Usenet client. Unison always seemed like a half-baked experiment to me.
> 
> I'd agree, which is why I started writing Signal, but the topic at hand
> was to get an improved Unison experience.  The only way to do that is to
> bring it back from the dead, and (probably) the only way to do that would
> be to make it worth someone's while.
> 
> > Maybe for $10K we would get a decent client (though for text I'd still
> > stick with MacSOUP).
> 
> No, you'd have to start at $20K for a decent client.  More if you want it
> to do binaries and other such things.
> 
> > But a couple years down the road and you just know
> > Panic would have abandoned it again. What are we gonna do - pay 'em $10K
> > every few years? Heh.
> 
> It's almost like software development has ongoing expenses . . .

Or one can simply accept that Mac Usenet clients do not have a large
enough market to justify more than current development efforts and
developer remuneration. MacSOUP - for example - continues to be
maintained in bugfix mode (likewise a few others) for which I'm very
thankful (you're awesome Stefan!), and there are free open source GUI
and CL clients.

You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
for the reality of the market. I've said it before and I'll say it
again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
you.

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#70171

In article <1m0dbel.u1zves608k7eN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Doc O'Leary <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
> > For your reference, records indicate that 
> > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> > 
> > > Ehhh... I don't know that I'd pick Panic to make a decent modern OSX GUI
> > > Usenet client. Unison always seemed like a half-baked experiment to me.
> > 
> > I'd agree, which is why I started writing Signal, but the topic at hand
> > was to get an improved Unison experience.  The only way to do that is to
> > bring it back from the dead, and (probably) the only way to do that would
> > be to make it worth someone's while.
> > 
> > > Maybe for $10K we would get a decent client (though for text I'd still
> > > stick with MacSOUP).
> > 
> > No, you'd have to start at $20K for a decent client.  More if you want it
> > to do binaries and other such things.
> > 
> > > But a couple years down the road and you just know
> > > Panic would have abandoned it again. What are we gonna do - pay 'em $10K
> > > every few years? Heh.
> > 
> > It's almost like software development has ongoing expenses . . .
> 
> Or one can simply accept that Mac Usenet clients do not have a large
> enough market to justify more than current development efforts and
> developer remuneration. MacSOUP - for example - continues to be
> maintained in bugfix mode (likewise a few others) for which I'm very
> thankful (you're awesome Stefan!), and there are free open source GUI
> and CL clients.
> 
> You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
> for the reality of the market. I've said it before and I'll say it
> again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
> seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
> you.

Text clients are quite sufficient since the binary usenet groups are 
obsolete now. O'Leary seemed to have one up 'n running. To bad that he 
did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public 
beta so that he could get some user feedback.
-- 
teleportation kills

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#70178

For your reference, records indicate that 
android <here@there.was> wrote:

> To bad that he 
> did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public 
> beta so that he could get some user feedback.

I’ve got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt.  I don’t need
feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader.  And I wouldn’t
need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
use by non-technical people.  I’m an experienced software professional;
I know these things.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#70181

On 2015-02-24 15:48:58 +0000, Doc O'Leary said:

> For your reference, records indicate that
> android <here@there.was> wrote:
> 
>> To bad that he
>> did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
>> beta so that he could get some user feedback.
> 
> I’ve got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt.  I don’t need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader.  And I wouldn’t
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people.  I’m an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.

Many of us are, I suppose that's why we can live with the in's and 
out's of the software, the participants and the way it all works, and 
doesn't work.

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#70184

In article <mci6ha$1vo$2@dont-email.me>,
 Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> android <here@there.was> wrote:
> 
> > To bad that he 
> > did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public 
> > beta so that he could get some user feedback.
> 
> I’ve got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt.  I don’t need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader.  And I wouldn’t
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people.  I’m an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.

You do not need feedback on software that has yet to meet the market 
from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...
-- 
teleportation kills

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#70206

For your reference, records indicate that 
android <here@there.was> wrote:

> You do not need feedback on software that has yet to meet the market 
> from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...

Yes.  *I* am already the market for said software.  Unlike seemingly
every other newsreader developer, I’m actually *still here* on Usenet.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#70207

In article <mcks31$m57$2@dont-email.me>,
 Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> android <here@there.was> wrote:
> 
> > You do not need feedback on software that has yet to meet the market 
> > from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...
> 
> Yes.  *I* am already the market for said software.  Unlike seemingly
> every other newsreader developer, I’m actually *still here* on Usenet.

So you're Usenet junkie... ;-/
-- 
teleportation kills

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#70185

Doc O'Leary <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> android <here@there.was> wrote:
> 
> > To bad that he 
> > did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
> > beta so that he could get some user feedback.
> 
> I've got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt.  I don't need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader.  And I wouldn't
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people.  I'm an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.

You didn't know anything about MacSOUP or such offline client design.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#70205

For your reference, records indicate that 
jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> You didn't know anything about MacSOUP or such offline client design.

I’m not sure where you’re going with this.  I know enough about MacSOUP
that I’m not using it.  I know enough about “offline” needs to implement
them *properly*.  My work in that regard is moot, though, and if you’re
happy with MacSOUP, keep on using it for as long as it keeps working.
Problem solved.

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"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#70177

For your reference, records indicate that 
jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Or one can simply accept that Mac Usenet clients do not have a large
> enough market to justify more than current development efforts and
> developer remuneration.

It’s not just Mac newsreaders.  The entire market has stagnated, but let’s
not keep rehashing that topic.

> MacSOUP - for example - continues to be
> maintained in bugfix mode (likewise a few others) for which I'm very
> thankful (you're awesome Stefan!), and there are free open source GUI
> and CL clients.

Which is of no comfort to anyone who dislikes them all, or who wants to
do new things with Usenet.

> You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
> for the reality of the market.

On the contrary.  I know all too well the reality of the market.  That’s
why I put a (starting) price tag of $10K on fixes to Unison.  Clearly
nobody here is willing to individually or collectively pay that price,
and so it is no surprise that development has stopped.  The market has
spoken, welcome to the reality you have created, stop complaining about
it.

> I've said it before and I'll say it
> again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
> seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
> you.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: your measure of success bears
absolutely no relation to mine.  My aim was to determine what the actual
market was for a Mac newsreader.  It was a success, and it saved me many
hours of toiling away to produce something that too few would buy.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#70180

In article <1m0dbel.u1zves608k7eN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

>You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
>for the reality of the market. I've said it before and I'll say it
>again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
>seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
>you.

Your view of what happened seems to me to be at variance with reality.

If Doc writes a client which suits his purposes but would need work
before it could be released more widely (which, AIUI, is what he did)
then you need to explain why he should do any more work on it for free.

To say that he "set himself up for inevitable failure" is twaddle. He
took the trouble to see whether there was enough interest in what would
have been a new product. There wasn't. Fine, end of story. Some people
were willing to pay for a client, a lot more just did a lot of bleating
and flapping around.

Nothing needed to be "pointed out", and every time someone tried they
just got spanked.

-- 
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#70192

xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
just installed and tried it.

It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
more features.

-- 
Today is Sweetmorn, the 56th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem.  If you have a problem with my attitude,
                    that's your problem.

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#70194

In article <cl5llvF92rkU4@mid.individual.net>,
 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
> just installed and tried it.
> 
> It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
> more features.

Thanks! Gonna try... I've Pan installed via Macports as a fallback:
sudo port -v install pan2
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#70201

android <here@there.was> wrote:

> In article <cl5llvF92rkU4@mid.individual.net>,
>  Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
> > just installed and tried it.
> > 
> > It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
> > more features.
> 
> Thanks! Gonna try... I've Pan installed via Macports as a fallback:
> sudo port -v install pan2

Pan seemed ok when I last tried it years ago. No reason to switch from
MacSOUP, but nice to have when I was bumming around in *nix OSes, and to
know I'd have as a fallback option for OSX. Though I reckon if Stefan
ever ended support for MacSOUP and bugginess resulted, I'd probably
first switch to command line tin, just because I'm familiar with it and
enjoy it's design.

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