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  Has Apple's software quality declined? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2014-12-22 12:24 -0700
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 15:11 -0500
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-22 20:12 +0000
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 16:04 -0500
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-22 22:50 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 19:07 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 04:49 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-22 22:51 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 04:46 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-23 00:43 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 14:39 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-26 19:39 -0500
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-27 01:44 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-12-23 04:37 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:03 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-12-23 17:46 -0800
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 04:36 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-24 14:39 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 13:56 -0800
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-24 22:09 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-24 18:40 -0500
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 15:09 +0000
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-25 09:33 -0700
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 16:38 +0000
                        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-25 09:46 -0700
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 09:19 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 02:42 +1300
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-28 15:35 +0100
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 10:57 +1300
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-28 07:43 -0800
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-28 08:49 -0700
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-12-28 11:26 -0800
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-28 20:11 +0000
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-28 19:35 +0000
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-28 13:05 -0700
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 10:57 +1300
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-28 17:23 -0500
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-29 22:59 -0500
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-30 09:42 +0000
                        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-30 12:44 +0100
                        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-30 14:09 -0500
                          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-30 20:51 +0100
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-28 17:55 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 13:03 -0800
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-30 22:20 +0000
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-31 20:42 -0800
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-31 01:16 +0000
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-12-31 15:33 -0600
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:01 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-25 11:34 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 21:59 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-25 17:07 -0500
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 22:38 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-26 09:05 -0500
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-26 17:01 +0000
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-26 15:32 -0500
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-26 21:16 +0000
                        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-26 17:33 -0500
                          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-26 23:41 +0000
                            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-26 22:48 -0500
                          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-12-26 23:22 -0800
                            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-27 04:26 -0500
                            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-27 14:45 +0000
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-12-23 19:19 -0800
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 04:34 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-23 23:46 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 05:22 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-24 07:55 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 16:20 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:06 +0000
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-24 14:46 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-12-24 23:19 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:09 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 03:04 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-12-25 09:20 -0800
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 17:29 +0000
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-22 23:44 -0800
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 00:42 -0800
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-24 03:58 -0500
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 13:52 -0800
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:11 +0000
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:00 +0000
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-12-25 18:41 +0100
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-12-26 14:00 +1300

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#68015

In article <slrnma4st9.247d.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> was all, like:
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Apple II users who came through Classic Mac OS and are now running
> >> > Mac OS X will be an even smaller minority.
> >> 
> >> If this keeps up, I'll be a minority of 1.
> 
> > I didn't own an Apple II but I used one at work. Does that count?
> 
> At Work? Like, for pay?

Yep, at two different insurance companies.

> That may count double.

-- 
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GOP delenda est!

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#68018

In article <dfmanno-C07A6E.14090730122014@news.albasani.net>,
 "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:

> In article <slrnma4st9.247d.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> was all, 
> > like:
> > > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > >> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> > Apple II users who came through Classic Mac OS and are now running
> > >> > Mac OS X will be an even smaller minority.
> > >> 
> > >> If this keeps up, I'll be a minority of 1.
> > 
> > > I didn't own an Apple II but I used one at work. Does that count?
> > 
> > At Work? Like, for pay?
> 
> Yep, at two different insurance companies.
> 
> > That may count double.

You must be in a dire need for a virtual one... Those do exist, you know:
http://tinyurl.com/noedpzh
-- 
teleportation kills

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#67935

On 2014.12.28 08:42 , David Empson wrote:

> Especially given the number of Apple II users who were disappointed with
> Apple abandoning their platform and preferring a more open environment,
> went to IBM PC clones and something like MS-DOS, Windows or Linux,
> rather than the Macintosh.
>
> Some of them may have eventually come "back" to the Macintosh.
>
> Given the number of times Apple has highlighted that more than 50% of
> Mac sales via their retail stores are to new Mac users, it would be fair
> to say that those who used Classic Mac OS are a small minority among the
> current Mac OS X user base. Apple II users who came through Classic Mac
> OS and are now running Mac OS X will be an even smaller minority.
>
> In fact, I'd expect that those who have used PowerPC Macs are a minority
> among current Mac users, since most of the growth in Mac sales came
> after the Intel transition.

I used Apple II's in CEGEP for BASIC and assembler programming classes. 
  (Did some assignments on a Commodore 64 at home).

Used (sporadically) classic OS on a project at work - that we migrated 
to IBM PC's.  Don't recall if that was 68xxx or PPC though.

The switch by Apple to intel was a partial influence on me switching to 
Mac.  The major influence was Microsoft (Vista) and the fact that I 
could migrate PS CS 3 at no cost.

-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
                                   Benjamin Franklin

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#68021

On 2014-12-28 09:19:31 +0000, bob said:

> While it is possible that the average Apple II was used by 4 people

Try 30-100 or more.  They were in practically every school in the 
nation by the late 1980s.

Also figure that each Apple II in a home setting could have been used 
by not only the whole houshold, but in some cases the entire 
neighborhood.  When I got my IIGS as a kid it was not unusual to have 
5-10 other kids all seated in a semicircle around it.

Macintoshes were and still are standard equipment in many universities 
and colleges.  They were preferred because it was often vastly easier 
to set up and maintain a departmental network compared to the Unix and 
MS-DOS / Windows alternatives.

In any event there are plenty of people who started with Apple IIs, on 
to Classic Macs, and now into today's OS X / iOS machines to judge 
whether the standard of quality that built Apple is being maintained.  
I judge that while there has been impressive technical progress, it has 
come at the expense of the underpinnings of the OS (at least in OS X).  
One minor sigh of relief was heaved when Apple abandoned their silly 
skeumorphisms though - that's progress.

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#68022

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:03:13 -0800, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> On 2014-12-28 09:19:31 +0000, bob said:
> 
>> While it is possible that the average Apple II was used by 4 people
> 
> Try 30-100 or more.  They were in practically every school in the nation
> by the late 1980s.

The junior high that I taught in, 87-94, had both Apple II's and IBM's.  
The teacher who had the Apples had a couple of printers, and kids got to 
print banners.  The head of the dept. had an IBM class where kids were 
learning how to use Word Perfect.



> Also figure that each Apple II in a home setting could have been used by
> not only the whole houshold, but in some cases the entire neighborhood. 
> When I got my IIGS as a kid it was not unusual to have 5-10 other kids
> all seated in a semicircle around it.
> 
> Macintoshes were and still are standard equipment in many universities
> and colleges.  They were preferred because it was often vastly easier to
> set up and maintain a departmental network compared to the Unix and
> MS-DOS / Windows alternatives.


My college used Unix for the entire campus, with VT100 terminals all over 
the campus, especially in the library.  In the computer dept., which was 
in the math bldg., they had IBM workstations running AIX.

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#68063

On 12/30/2014 2:20 PM, sctvguy1 wrote:
>>
>>> While it is possible that the average Apple II was used by 4 people
>>
>> Try 30-100 or more.  They were in practically every school in the nation
>> by the late 1980s.
>
> The junior high that I taught in, 87-94, had both Apple II's and IBM's.
> The teacher who had the Apples had a couple of printers, and kids got to
> print banners.  The head of the dept. had an IBM class where kids were
> learning how to use Word Perfect.

In my schools, Macs too. Print Shop for banners on dot matrix printers! 
Ew, Word Perfect for DOS. I remember AppleWorks for Apple 2s. :D


>> Also figure that each Apple II in a home setting could have been used by
>> not only the whole houshold, but in some cases the entire neighborhood.
>> When I got my IIGS as a kid it was not unusual to have 5-10 other kids
>> all seated in a semicircle around it.

I remember that in classes that only had one/few computer(s).
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#68025

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> was all, like:
> Macintoshes were and still are standard equipment in many universities 
> and colleges.  They were preferred because it was often vastly easier 
> to set up and maintain a departmental network compared to the Unix and 
> MS-DOS / Windows alternatives.

When I was in college I had a work-study job supervising a "lab" that
was divided up into about 60 Mac (Pluses and SEs, mostly), two laser
printers, and 8 PCs.

20% of the job was dealing with the laserwriters and the Macs, and most
of that was answering stupid questions. 80$ of the job was dealing with
the PCs, and most of that was trying to get them to stay up and running
long enough for the engineering students to be able to do anything at
all with them.

One of the engineering students was so frustrated with the PCs that he
wrote a CAD program in ... Pascal? on the Mac himself so he could do the
work he was supposed to be doing on the PC.

> In any event there are plenty of people who started with Apple IIs, on 
> to Classic Macs, and now into today's OS X / iOS machines to judge 
> whether the standard of quality that built Apple is being maintained.  
> I judge that while there has been impressive technical progress, it has 
> come at the expense of the underpinnings of the OS (at least in OS X).  
> One minor sigh of relief was heaved when Apple abandoned their silly 
> skeumorphisms though - that's progress.

I'll stack up OS X 10.10 against any previous OS on any platform. It
does far more, and it does it much better. Do you have any idea how long
it's been since I lost work to a computer crash? Years. Literally years.

-- 
Worlds of belief, she [Susan] thought. Just like oysters. A little piece
of shit gets in and then a pearl grows around it. --Hogfather

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#68041

In article <m7v3to$1l6$1@dont-email.me>,
 Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In any event there are plenty of people who started with Apple IIs, on 
> to Classic Macs, and now into today's OS X / iOS machines to judge 
> whether the standard of quality that built Apple is being maintained.  
> I judge that while there has been impressive technical progress, it has 
> come at the expense of the underpinnings of the OS (at least in OS X). 

Raises hand 8-)   Agreed.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#67809

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
> On 2014.12.22 15:12 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2014-12-22, Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Anthony Wing Kosner has a pretty good article at Forbes about problems
>>> with Apple's recent OS releases.
>>>
>>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/12/22/declining-apple-software-quality-imperils-future-growth-and-retention/>
>>
>> Where's the data to back up the assertion that quality is actually
>> declining as opposed to some blogger simply having selective / faulty
>> memory?

> Faulty memory?  Have you forgotten:
> 	8.0   WiFi issues.

Nope. No issues.

> 	8.0.1 WiFi fix that made things much, much worse.

Nope. 8.0.1 was just fine on our 5 iPhones.


-- 
'Have you lost your senses?' 'Yes, but I may have found some better
ones.'

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#67833

On 2014.12.24 19:01 , Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
>> On 2014.12.22 15:12 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-22, Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Anthony Wing Kosner has a pretty good article at Forbes about problems
>>>> with Apple's recent OS releases.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/12/22/declining-apple-software-quality-imperils-future-growth-and-retention/>
>>>
>>> Where's the data to back up the assertion that quality is actually
>>> declining as opposed to some blogger simply having selective / faulty
>>> memory?
>
>> Faulty memory?  Have you forgotten:
>> 	8.0   WiFi issues.
>
> Nope. No issues.
>
>> 	8.0.1 WiFi fix that made things much, much worse.
>
> Nope. 8.0.1 was just fine on our 5 iPhones.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/28/ios-8-update-bug-explained/
http://bgr.com/2014/10/28/iphone-ios-8-0-1-bug-apology/
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6839235/apple-ios-8-0-1-released

-- 
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    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
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#67855

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
> On 2014.12.24 19:01 , Lewis wrote:
>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
>>> On 2014.12.22 15:12 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2014-12-22, Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anthony Wing Kosner has a pretty good article at Forbes about problems
>>>>> with Apple's recent OS releases.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/12/22/declining-apple-software-quality-imperils-future-growth-and-retention/>
>>>>
>>>> Where's the data to back up the assertion that quality is actually
>>>> declining as opposed to some blogger simply having selective / faulty
>>>> memory?
>>
>>> Faulty memory?  Have you forgotten:
>>> 	8.0   WiFi issues.
>>
>> Nope. No issues.
>>
>>> 	8.0.1 WiFi fix that made things much, much worse.
>>
>> Nope. 8.0.1 was just fine on our 5 iPhones.

> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/28/ios-8-update-bug-explained/
> http://bgr.com/2014/10/28/iphone-ios-8-0-1-bug-apology/
> http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6839235/apple-ios-8-0-1-released

Still didn't affect 5 iPhones here. Not ever problem or bug is
universal. the 8.0.1 one was pretty damn rare, actually.

-- 
Bart, don't use the Touch of Death on your sister.

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#67857

In article <slrnm9p26d.cdq.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >>>    8.0.1 WiFi fix that made things much, much worse.
> >>
> >> Nope. 8.0.1 was just fine on our 5 iPhones.
> 
> > http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/28/ios-8-update-bug-explained/
> > http://bgr.com/2014/10/28/iphone-ios-8-0-1-bug-apology/
> > http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6839235/apple-ios-8-0-1-released
> 
> Still didn't affect 5 iPhones here. Not ever problem or bug is
> universal. the 8.0.1 one was pretty damn rare, actually.

ios 8.0.1 itself wasn't the problem.

the problem was the over the air update mechanism that did not work
properly. 

those who installed 8.0.1 directly had no issues, while those who did
an ota upgrade (which is most people) did.

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#67858

On 2014-12-25, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> Faulty memory?  Have you forgotten:
>>>> 	8.0   WiFi issues.
>>>
>>> Nope. No issues.
>>>
>>>> 	8.0.1 WiFi fix that made things much, much worse.
>>>
>>> Nope. 8.0.1 was just fine on our 5 iPhones.
>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/28/ios-8-update-bug-explained/
>> http://bgr.com/2014/10/28/iphone-ios-8-0-1-bug-apology/
>> http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6839235/apple-ios-8-0-1-released
>
> Still didn't affect 5 iPhones here. Not ever problem or bug is
> universal. the 8.0.1 one was pretty damn rare, actually.

Didn't affect several iPhones here, either. I also don't have any WiFi
problems with the several computers I have with Yosemite installed. Go
figure.

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#67868

On 2014.12.25 17:38 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-12-25, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>> Faulty memory?  Have you forgotten:
>>>>> 	8.0   WiFi issues.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. No issues.
>>>>
>>>>> 	8.0.1 WiFi fix that made things much, much worse.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. 8.0.1 was just fine on our 5 iPhones.
>>
>>> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/28/ios-8-update-bug-explained/
>>> http://bgr.com/2014/10/28/iphone-ios-8-0-1-bug-apology/
>>> http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6839235/apple-ios-8-0-1-released
>>
>> Still didn't affect 5 iPhones here. Not ever problem or bug is
>> universal. the 8.0.1 one was pretty damn rare, actually.
>
> Didn't affect several iPhones here, either. I also don't have any WiFi
> problems with the several computers I have with Yosemite installed. Go
> figure.

So these issues didn't happen to you and Apple's software quality gets 
an upgrade.  Riiiiiiight.


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#67869

On 2014-12-26, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.12.25 17:38 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2014-12-25, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>>> Faulty memory?  Have you forgotten:
>>>>>> 	8.0   WiFi issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. No issues.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 	8.0.1 WiFi fix that made things much, much worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. 8.0.1 was just fine on our 5 iPhones.
>>>
>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/28/ios-8-update-bug-explained/
>>>> http://bgr.com/2014/10/28/iphone-ios-8-0-1-bug-apology/
>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6839235/apple-ios-8-0-1-released
>>>
>>> Still didn't affect 5 iPhones here. Not ever problem or bug is
>>> universal. the 8.0.1 one was pretty damn rare, actually.
>>
>> Didn't affect several iPhones here, either. I also don't have any WiFi
>> problems with the several computers I have with Yosemite installed. Go
>> figure.
>
> So these issues didn't happen to you and Apple's software quality gets 
> an upgrade.  Riiiiiiight.

Of course not. What it does mean, though, is that the problem isn't
quite as severe or wide-spread as you might think.

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#67872

On 2014.12.26 12:01 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-12-26, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.12.25 17:38 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-25, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>>>> Faulty memory?  Have you forgotten:
>>>>>>> 	8.0   WiFi issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. No issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	8.0.1 WiFi fix that made things much, much worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. 8.0.1 was just fine on our 5 iPhones.
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/28/ios-8-update-bug-explained/
>>>>> http://bgr.com/2014/10/28/iphone-ios-8-0-1-bug-apology/
>>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6839235/apple-ios-8-0-1-released
>>>>
>>>> Still didn't affect 5 iPhones here. Not ever problem or bug is
>>>> universal. the 8.0.1 one was pretty damn rare, actually.
>>>
>>> Didn't affect several iPhones here, either. I also don't have any WiFi
>>> problems with the several computers I have with Yosemite installed. Go
>>> figure.
>>
>> So these issues didn't happen to you and Apple's software quality gets
>> an upgrade.  Riiiiiiight.
>
> Of course not. What it does mean, though, is that the problem isn't
> quite as severe or wide-spread as you might think.

The only point that matters is whether Apple are doing too much, too 
fast.  The consensus amongst some developers (since the actual bug stats 
are quietly locked up at Apple) is that it seems to be growing.

You don't accept that because we can't see the bug reports and measure 
it.  OTOH when the 'crowd' feels things are going in some direction, 
they very often are.  "Memory" is not what you'd like to be.

Apple have a bug reporting system that anyone can put a bug into.  But 
nobody sees the data about the bugs.  (The few bugs I've reported have 
always come back as "already reported" (or captured or whatever)).

None have been resolved to date.

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    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
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#67873

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:32:43 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> Apple have a bug reporting system that anyone can put a bug into.  But
> nobody sees the data about the bugs.  (The few bugs I've reported have
> always come back as "already reported" (or captured or whatever)).
> 
> None have been resolved to date.

That kind of attitude towards "bugs" would not fly with enterprise 
Linux!  RH/Centos/Scientific would be crucified if the bugs were not 
listed and fixed!

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#67874

In article <m7kj80$fct$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
<sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> > Apple have a bug reporting system that anyone can put a bug into.  But
> > nobody sees the data about the bugs.  (The few bugs I've reported have
> > always come back as "already reported" (or captured or whatever)).
> > 
> > None have been resolved to date.
> 
> That kind of attitude towards "bugs" would not fly with enterprise 
> Linux!  RH/Centos/Scientific would be crucified if the bugs were not 
> listed and fixed!

you're delusional.

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#67875

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:33:45 -0500, nospam wrote:

> In article <m7kj80$fct$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> > Apple have a bug reporting system that anyone can put a bug into. 
>> > But nobody sees the data about the bugs.  (The few bugs I've reported
>> > have always come back as "already reported" (or captured or
>> > whatever)).
>> > 
>> > None have been resolved to date.
>> 
>> That kind of attitude towards "bugs" would not fly with enterprise
>> Linux!  RH/Centos/Scientific would be crucified if the bugs were not
>> listed and fixed!
> 
> you're delusional.

Yes, I guess that I am.  I know RH software engineers who do nothing but 
work on bugs and they are reported and fixed on a regular basis.
Do you have anything other than epithets to throw around?

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#67883

In article <m7krni$e2f$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
<sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> >> > Apple have a bug reporting system that anyone can put a bug into. 
> >> > But nobody sees the data about the bugs.  (The few bugs I've reported
> >> > have always come back as "already reported" (or captured or
> >> > whatever)).
> >> > 
> >> > None have been resolved to date.
> >> 
> >> That kind of attitude towards "bugs" would not fly with enterprise
> >> Linux!  RH/Centos/Scientific would be crucified if the bugs were not
> >> listed and fixed!
> > 
> > you're delusional.
> 
> Yes, I guess that I am.  I know RH software engineers who do nothing but 
> work on bugs and they are reported and fixed on a regular basis.

apple has lots of engineers working on bugs too. 

> Do you have anything other than epithets to throw around?

it's reality.

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