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  Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-24 05:34 +0000
    Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-24 18:27 -0500
      Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-25 12:24 +1200
        Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-24 20:13 -0500
      Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-25 14:52 +1200
        Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-24 22:11 -0500
          Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-25 16:27 +1200
          Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-24 21:29 -0700
            Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-25 07:29 -0500
              Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-25 11:11 -0700
                Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-25 13:20 -0500
                  Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-25 12:06 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-25 14:59 -0500
                      Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-25 15:27 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-25 12:24 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-25 15:01 -0500
                    Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-25 15:28 -0700
                      Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-25 17:34 -0500
                        Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-26 13:58 +1200
                          Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-26 10:21 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-27 10:49 +1200
                              Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-26 17:18 -0700
                                Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-27 13:07 +1200
                                  Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-26 18:37 -0700
                                Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-29 00:45 +0000
                                  Re: Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-28 23:03 -0700

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#62403 — Yosemite Public Beta on Thursday

<http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/07/23/yosemite-public-beta>

-- 
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-solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. -- Bill Joy

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#62416

> <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/07/23/yosemite-public-beta>
>
> --
> I find Windows of absolutely no technical interest... Mac OS X is a rock
> -solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. -- Bill Joy
>
Yep, it is available.  I went to the Appleseed site and worked through that and got it downloaded.  Then later I got the email essentially taking me to the same route.

I tried to install it to an SDXC card but Yosemite just didn't like it as a boot drive.  I'll fiddle around tomorrow and clone the internal to an external USB drive and upgrade that.  That way I can check all my software for compatibility.  I'm just very adverse to using a beta OS for real world work.

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#62417

Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> > <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/07/23/yosemite-public-beta>
> >
> Yep, it is available.  I went to the Appleseed site and worked through
> that and got it downloaded.  Then later I got the email essentially taking
> me to the same route.
> 
> I tried to install it to an SDXC card but Yosemite just didn't like it as
> a boot drive.

Mine works fine. Perhaps an issue specific to your card, or Mac model?

For my initial testing I've been using a clean install on a Transcend
JetDrive Lite, on my MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013).

Had you erased your card and set it up with GUID Partition Table? The
installer might not accept a drive with Master Boot Record. (It
certainly wouldn't accept a drive with Apple Partition Map, as
established by every earlier OS X version running on an Intel Mac.)

> I'll fiddle around tomorrow and clone the internal to an external USB
> drive and upgrade that.  That way I can check all my software for
> compatibility.

I'll also be doing that at a later point. For now I'm just testing the
OS itself and a few key applications which I've installed.

> I'm just very adverse to using a beta OS for real world work.

Ditto.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#62418

> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>
>> > <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/07/23/yosemite-public-beta>
>> >
>> Yep, it is available.  I went to the Appleseed site and worked through
>> that and got it downloaded.  Then later I got the email essentially taking
>> me to the same route.
>>
>> I tried to install it to an SDXC card but Yosemite just didn't like it as
>> a boot drive.
>
> Mine works fine. Perhaps an issue specific to your card, or Mac model?
>
Probably the card.  It is a 128Gb SDXC that I paid $20 for, some Chinese knockoff probably.

My machine is a late 2012 MBP w/Retina and has been flawless since new.

> For my initial testing I've been using a clean install on a Transcend
> JetDrive Lite, on my MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013).
>
> Had you erased your card and set it up with GUID Partition Table? The
> installer might not accept a drive with Master Boot Record. (It
> certainly wouldn't accept a drive with Apple Partition Map, as
> established by every earlier OS X version running on an Intel Mac.)
>

Yeah I did that.  It needs the GUID partition table, won't work at all with Master Boot Record.

>> I'll fiddle around tomorrow and clone the internal to an external USB
>> drive and upgrade that.  That way I can check all my software for
>> compatibility.
>
> I'll also be doing that at a later point. For now I'm just testing the
> OS itself and a few key applications which I've installed.
>
>> I'm just very adverse to using a beta OS for real world work.
>
> Ditto.
>
> --
> David Empson
> dempson@actrix.gen.nz
>


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#62419

In article <c3dj59FsslbU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > 
> > <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/07/23/yosemite-public-beta>
> 
> Yep, it is available.  I went to the Appleseed site and worked through that
> and got it downloaded.  Then later I got the email essentially taking me to
> the same route.
> 
> I tried to install it to an SDXC card but Yosemite just didn't like it as a
> boot drive.  I'll fiddle around tomorrow and clone the internal to an
> external USB drive and upgrade that.  That way I can check all my software
> for compatibility.  I'm just very adverse to using a beta OS for real world
> work.

Anyone with more than one braincell would be that same about using a
beta version in a work environment.  :-) 

Even developers won't be using Yosemite as their daily work system -
they'll be using it as a test environment. 

Many people even don't bother with the official ".0" release and wait
for the ".1" version to fix the initial bugs.

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#62420

On 2014-07-25 02:52:43 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <c3dj59FsslbU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/07/23/yosemite-public-beta>
>> 
>> Yep, it is available.  I went to the Appleseed site and worked through that
>> and got it downloaded.  Then later I got the email essentially taking me to
>> the same route.
>> 
>> I tried to install it to an SDXC card but Yosemite just didn't like it as a
>> boot drive.  I'll fiddle around tomorrow and clone the internal to an
>> external USB drive and upgrade that.  That way I can check all my software
>> for compatibility.  I'm just very adverse to using a beta OS for real world
>> work.
> 
> Anyone with more than one braincell would be that same about using a
> beta version in a work environment.  :-)

I'm fully retired so my 'work environment' is a bit of a stretch.  
Other than the 'net stuff, all I do is music engraving with Sibelius.

> 
> Even developers won't be using Yosemite as their daily work system -
> they'll be using it as a test environment.

Developers will be using them for tweaking their apps or writing new 
ones to take advantage of the new things coming.  I would suspect that 
they would have a machine just for that alone.

> 
> Many people even don't bother with the official ".0" release and wait
> for the ".1" version to fix the initial bugs.

I'm not one of them! :)

-- 
Lloyd

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#62422

In article <lqsht8$2v8$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2014-07-25 02:52:43 +0000, Your Name said:
> > In article <c3dj59FsslbU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
> > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/07/23/yosemite-public-beta>
> >> 
> >> Yep, it is available.  I went to the Appleseed site and worked through that
> >> and got it downloaded.  Then later I got the email essentially taking me to
> >> the same route.
> >> 
> >> I tried to install it to an SDXC card but Yosemite just didn't like it as a
> >> boot drive.  I'll fiddle around tomorrow and clone the internal to an
> >> external USB drive and upgrade that.  That way I can check all my software
> >> for compatibility.  I'm just very adverse to using a beta OS for real world
> >> work.
> > 
> > Anyone with more than one braincell would be that same about using a
> > beta version in a work environment.  :-)
> 
> I'm fully retired so my 'work environment' is a bit of a stretch.  
> Other than the 'net stuff, all I do is music engraving with Sibelius.
> 
> > 
> > Even developers won't be using Yosemite as their daily work system -
> > they'll be using it as a test environment.
> 
> Developers will be using them for tweaking their apps or writing new 
> ones to take advantage of the new things coming.  I would suspect that 
> they would have a machine just for that alone.

The actual programming work will still mostly take place on stable
computers, rather than a beta OS that could crash at any moment taking
hours of work with it. It will be mostly similar to creating an iOS app
- do the work on the Mac and test them on the iOS device / emulator.



> > Many people even don't bother with the official ".0" release and wait
> > for the ".1" version to fix the initial bugs.
> 
> I'm not one of them! :)

I just want to know why Apple hasn't made sure Yosemite will work on my
beige G3 PowerMac.  ;-)

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#62423

On 2014-07-25 03:11:37 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> Other than the 'net stuff, all I do is music engraving with Sibelius.

Specifically, what do you use it for?

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#62427

On 2014-07-25 04:29:11 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2014-07-25 03:11:37 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
> 
>> Other than the 'net stuff, all I do is music engraving with Sibelius.
> 
> Specifically, what do you use it for?

Yosemite??  Nothing yet as I don't have it installed...  :)

Otherwise, just various social things and the web with a smattering of 
Excel and Word use here and there.  Frankly if it wasn't for Sibelius I 
could use a SurfaceRT or iPad all the time.  As it is, most of the time 
I'm using my SurfacePro while mounted on my recliner in front of the TV!

-- 
Lloyd

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#62432

On 2014-07-25 12:29:52 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> On 2014-07-25 04:29:11 +0000, gtr said:
> 
>> On 2014-07-25 03:11:37 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
>> 
>>> Other than the 'net stuff, all I do is music engraving with Sibelius.
>> 
>> Specifically, what do you use it for?
> 
> Yosemite??  Nothing yet as I don't have it installed...  :)

No; specifically, what do you use Sibelius for?

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#62433

> On 2014-07-25 12:29:52 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
>
>> On 2014-07-25 04:29:11 +0000, gtr said:
>>
>>> On 2014-07-25 03:11:37 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
>>>
>>>> Other than the 'net stuff, all I do is music engraving with Sibelius.
>>>
>>> Specifically, what do you use it for?
>>
>> Yosemite??  Nothing yet as I don't have it installed...  :)
>
> No; specifically, what do you use Sibelius for?
>
>
I play the organ and have a Lowrey Palladium which was their top of line just a few years ago.  But I don't read music well.  So I take lead sheets from various sources and scan them in with PhotoScore (Music OCR) and then send that to Sibelius.  The I take them and enlarge everything to help my aging eyes and convert them to EZPlay format.  Sometimes I also tra
nspose to an easier key for me to play.

Also have what is said to be the complete wikifonia archive of music in music xml format which I can bring in and do the same thing.

It is all just for a hobby and one I enjoy.  I've got both Finale and Sibelius but have given up on Finale because the note letters inside the note just don't look good at all with Finale.  I've looked at other software over the years but always end up back using Sibelius.

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#62435

On 2014-07-25 18:20:41 +0000, Lloyd Parsons said:

>> No; specifically, what do you use Sibelius for?
>> 
> I play the organ and have a Lowrey Palladium which was their top of 
> line just a few years ago.  But I don't read music well.  So I take 
> lead sheets from various sources and scan them in with PhotoScore 
> (Music OCR) and then send that to Sibelius.  The I take them and 
> enlarge everything to help my aging eyes and convert them to EZPlay 
> format.  Sometimes I also transpose to an easier key for me to play.
> 
> Also have what is said to be the complete wikifonia archive of music in 
> music xml format which I can bring in and do the same thing.

I wasn't aware of wikifonia during its time of operation, but have been 
collecting sheet music for over 40 years.  So, at least for the musics 
I pursue, I have a pretty significant stash.

I've found over the many years that reading music becomes much easier 
if you just read it all the live long day.  Just my viewpoint.  My eyes 
aren't what they use to be either, but so far the average piece of 
sheet music, well illuminated, works okay.

> It is all just for a hobby and one I enjoy.  I've got both Finale and 
> Sibelius but have given up on Finale because the note letters inside 
> the note just don't look good at all with Finale.  I've looked at other 
> software over the years but always end up back using Sibelius.

Interesting. I struggled with Finale in its earliest years, then a few 
that worked on the Atari  platform.  A decade ago I fiddled with 
Sibelius for a while and it seemed clearly better than the others 
(seemed).  I've recently spend the necessary time and energy to get the 
scoring end of Logic Pro up to speed and and delighted with it's 
(acquired) speed of operation.  I do use it in conjunction with the DAW 
wing of the program: I play parts in using a desktop keyboard (Novation 
25) or a midi-fied guitar, and then clean up/rearrage the score. Last 
month I got into a semi-manic mode and scored 130 lead sheets, running 
from 3 to 8 a day.  Retirement has provided a lot of free time to 
through at such efforts.

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#62439

> On 2014-07-25 18:20:41 +0000, Lloyd Parsons said:
>
>>> No; specifically, what do you use Sibelius for?
>>>
>> I play the organ and have a Lowrey Palladium which was their top of
>> line just a few years ago.  But I don't read music well.  So I take
>> lead sheets from various sources and scan them in with PhotoScore
>> (Music OCR) and then send that to Sibelius.  The I take them and
>> enlarge everything to help my aging eyes and convert them to EZPlay
>> format.  Sometimes I also transpose to an easier key for me to play.
>>
>> Also have what is said to be the complete wikifonia archive of music in
>> music xml format which I can bring in and do the same thing.
>
> I wasn't aware of wikifonia during its time of operation, but have been
> collecting sheet music for over 40 years.  So, at least for the musics
> I pursue, I have a pretty significant stash.
>
wikifonia was great!!  I got lots before they went away over some copyright issues as I understand it.  Also got quite a few fake books around here.

> I've found over the many years that reading music becomes much easier
> if you just read it all the live long day.  Just my viewpoint.  My eyes
> aren't what they use to be either, but so far the average piece of
> sheet music, well illuminated, works okay.
>

I notice the same thing.  But I tend to play in spurts spread wide apart.  Most of my music is fake books or at least started that way.  But the damned typeface they use in them is just too small for me to read without straining.

>> It is all just for a hobby and one I enjoy.  I've got both Finale and
>> Sibelius but have given up on Finale because the note letters inside
>> the note just don't look good at all with Finale.  I've looked at other
>> software over the years but always end up back using Sibelius.
>
> Interesting. I struggled with Finale in its earliest years, then a few
> that worked on the Atari  platform.  A decade ago I fiddled with
> Sibelius for a while and it seemed clearly better than the others
> (seemed).  I've recently spend the necessary time and energy to get the
> scoring end of Logic Pro up to speed and and delighted with it's
> (acquired) speed of operation.  I do use it in conjunction with the DAW
> wing of the program: I play parts in using a desktop keyboard (Novation
> 25) or a midi-fied guitar, and then clean up/rearrage the score. Last
> month I got into a semi-manic mode and scored 130 lead sheets, running
> from 3 to 8 a day.  Retirement has provided a lot of free time to
> through at such efforts.
>
>
>
With engraving software you have to decide it is worth the pain of learning.  Finale and Sibelius take different approaches to the problem, but in the end the learning curve with both is arduous.  Most end up like me and stick with one, I even have a little cheat sheet that I use when I've been away from it awhile.  The other issue is the scanning.  Music OCR is
 much more complex than is text OCR.  And the more complex the piece you scan in, the more mistakes the software makes.

I used to have 4 organs around the house, now down to 2 that play and one that is residing in the garage with the cats! :).  Got a couple midi keyboards and software to fsck with for them, but don't do much with them these days at all.  I've even got the old GarageBand controller that Apple used to sell gathering dust somewhere.


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#62441

On 2014-07-25 19:59:52 +0000, Lloyd Parsons said:

> With engraving software you have to decide it is worth the pain of learning.

Curious that you call it "engraving software" instead of scoring 
software. If you haven't seen the documentary(s) on what actual 
engraved process was like it's fascinating:

	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345o3Wu95Qo

> Finale and Sibelius take different approaches to the problem, but in 
> the end the learning curve with both is arduous.

If the task to be done via software is very complex, there's very 
little reason to think that the software written to do the task will be 
simple. It was never so true as with scoring software.

>  Most end up like me and stick with one, I even have a little cheat 
> sheet that I use when I've been away from it awhile.

Same here with Logic; everytime I start up for a month or two of 
projects, I have to go down the cheat-sheet to re-aquaint myself.  And 
at the end of each phase I re-edit the cheats.

> The other issue is the scanning.  Music OCR is much more complex than 
> is text OCR.  And the more complex the piece you scan in, the more 
> mistakes the software makes.

I checked out the software you use, and it's a bit pricey for my 
occasional needs.  Instead I just play it it.

> I used to have 4 organs around the house, now down to 2 that play and 
> one that is residing in the garage with the cats! :).  Got a couple 
> midi keyboards and software to fsck with for them, but don't do much 
> with them these days at all.  I've even got the old GarageBand 
> controller that Apple used to sell gathering dust somewhere.

90% of my old equipment is in the garage. I now keep one primary guitar 
at the ready, and it's sub in the living room. The rest are a 
testamonial to how little interest I've acquired for Ebay, Craigslist 
and fobbing equipment off on old pals.

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#62437

On 2014-07-25 18:20:41 +0000, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> said:

>> On 2014-07-25 12:29:52 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-07-25 04:29:11 +0000, gtr said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-07-25 03:11:37 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
>>>> 
>>>>> Other than the 'net stuff, all I do is music engraving with Sibelius.
>>>> 
>>>> Specifically, what do you use it for?
>>> 
>>> Yosemite??  Nothing yet as I don't have it installed...  :)
>> 
>> No; specifically, what do you use Sibelius for?
>> 
>> 
> I play the organ and have a Lowrey Palladium which was their top of 
> line just a few years ago.  But I don't read music well.  So I take 
> lead sheets from various sources and scan them in with PhotoScore 
> (Music OCR) and then send that to Sibelius.  The I take them and 
> enlarge everything to help my aging eyes and convert them to EZPlay 
> format.  Sometimes I also tra
> nspose to an easier key for me to play.
> 
> Also have what is said to be the complete wikifonia archive of music in 
> music xml format which I can bring in and do the same thing.
> 
> It is all just for a hobby and one I enjoy.  I've got both Finale and 
> Sibelius but have given up on Finale because the note letters inside 
> the note just don't look good at all with Finale.  I've looked at other 
> software over the years but always end up back using Sibelius.

Then  perhaps *Scorch* might be useful to you.
<http://www.sibelius.com/products/avid_scorch/index.html?intcmpid=SB-HP-AUMU1>




-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#62440

> On 2014-07-25 18:20:41 +0000, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> said:
>
>>> On 2014-07-25 12:29:52 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-07-25 04:29:11 +0000, gtr said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-07-25 03:11:37 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than the 'net stuff, all I do is music engraving with Sibelius.
>>>>>
>>>>> Specifically, what do you use it for?
>>>>
>>>> Yosemite??  Nothing yet as I don't have it installed...  :)
>>>
>>> No; specifically, what do you use Sibelius for?
>>>
>>>
>> I play the organ and have a Lowrey Palladium which was their top of
>> line just a few years ago.  But I don't read music well.  So I take
>> lead sheets from various sources and scan them in with PhotoScore
>> (Music OCR) and then send that to Sibelius.  The I take them and
>> enlarge everything to help my aging eyes and convert them to EZPlay
>> format.  Sometimes I also tra
>> nspose to an easier key for me to play.
>>
>> Also have what is said to be the complete wikifonia archive of music in
>> music xml format which I can bring in and do the same thing.
>>
>> It is all just for a hobby and one I enjoy.  I've got both Finale and
>> Sibelius but have given up on Finale because the note letters inside
>> the note just don't look good at all with Finale.  I've looked at other
>> software over the years but always end up back using Sibelius.
>
> Then  perhaps *Scorch* might be useful to you.
> <http://www.sibelius.com/products/avid_scorch/index.html?intcmpid=SB-HP-AUMU1>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
>
Thanks for the suggestion and link.  The screen on an iPad is too small for that to be useful for me as I've tried with other software that does some of the same things.


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#62442

On 2014-07-25 19:24:26 +0000, Savageduck said:

> Then  perhaps *Scorch* might be useful to you.
> <http://www.sibelius.com/products/avid_scorch/index.html?intcmpid=SB-HP-AUMU1>

I think perhaps *Scotch* would be more useful to me.

Seriously, I'm waiting for Apple to come out with an 8.5 x 11 screen 
and would probably buy it to store my sheet music in.

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#62443

> On 2014-07-25 19:24:26 +0000, Savageduck said:
>
>> Then  perhaps *Scorch* might be useful to you.
>> <http://www.sibelius.com/products/avid_scorch/index.html?intcmpid=SB-HP-AUMU1>
>
> I think perhaps *Scotch* would be more useful to me.
>
> Seriously, I'm waiting for Apple to come out with an 8.5 x 11 screen
> and would probably buy it to store my sheet music in.
>
>
That would be a good size.

I tried a 20" TOUCHSCREEN desktop on the organ and it was way too big, very overwhelming.

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#62447

In article <c3g4bdFek19U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > On 2014-07-25 19:24:26 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >>
> >> Then  perhaps *Scorch* might be useful to you.
> >>
> >> <http://www.sibelius.com/products/avid_scorch/index.html?intcmpid=SB-HP-AUM
> >> U1>
> >
> > I think perhaps *Scotch* would be more useful to me.
> >
> > Seriously, I'm waiting for Apple to come out with an 8.5 x 11 screen
> > and would probably buy it to store my sheet music in.
> 
> That would be a good size.

Nah, that's the silly "US Letter" size, when the real world uses the
much better "A4" (approx. 8.25" x 11.625" in ye olde inches).   ;-)

Realistically Apple is unlikely to release such a screen size. The iPad
is mainly for videos and ebooks, so a size that has a size close to
moive ratios is best, second best is probably the size of a "standard"
open / double-page paperback book (not that there is a standard, as one
look at my bookcase shows).

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#62457

On 2014-07-26 01:58:26 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <c3g4bdFek19U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-07-25 19:24:26 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>> 
>>>> Then  perhaps *Scorch* might be useful to you.
>>>> 
>>>> <http://www.sibelius.com/products/avid_scorch/index.html?intcmpid=SB-HP-AUM
>>>> U1>
>>> 
>>> I think perhaps *Scotch* would be more useful to me.
>>> 
>>> Seriously, I'm waiting for Apple to come out with an 8.5 x 11 screen
>>> and would probably buy it to store my sheet music in.
>> 
>> That would be a good size.
> 
> Nah, that's the silly "US Letter" size, when the real world uses the
> much better "A4" (approx. 8.25" x 11.625" in ye olde inches).   ;-)

Wrong, the "real world" doesn't read music in the A4 format, or any 
other.  Hell--most musicians don't read music either any more.

> Realistically Apple is unlikely to release such a screen size.

No surprise.  Also no surprise that my hopes and desires aren't 
predicated on what companies are likely or unlikely to do.

> The iPad is mainly for videos and ebooks, so a size that has a size close to
> moive ratios is best, second best is probably the size of a "standard"
> open / double-page paperback book (not that there is a standard, as one
> look at my bookcase shows).

I see. As a niche user of many projects I have never given a flying 
fuck what mainstream users do with computers, phones, suppositories or 
dildos.  And never will.

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