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  Mavericks Sleep "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-12 21:38 +0000
    Re: Mavericks Sleep billy@MIX.COM - 2014-03-12 23:24 +0000
      Re: Mavericks Sleep Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-13 01:17 +0000
        Re: Mavericks Sleep billy@MIX.COM - 2014-03-13 14:09 +0000
        Re: Mavericks Sleep dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-03-13 19:52 +0000
          Re: Mavericks Sleep "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-14 20:47 +0000
      Re: Mavericks Sleep "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-14 20:37 +0000
        Re: Mavericks Sleep "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-15 21:01 +0000

#57916 — Mavericks Sleep

OS X 10.9.2 running in an iMac. With this new installation (I 
upgraded to Mavericks from 10.8.5 just last weekend.), sleep is 
behaving very strangely.

When the system is put to sleep and wakened soon after, Mavericks 
behaves like earlier versions. But if it's left asleep for a while 
(I haven't done enough testing to know how long a "while" is but I 
think it's of the order of an hour) it executes a restart. The menu 
bar items have to be reinitiated, all the apps that I know were left
open are closed, I have to re-sign in to 1Password, etc.

For example, last night before going to bed I put the computer to 
sleep using the Apple menu command. This morning when I woke the 
computer up it behaved as described.

I have the Energy Saver options set to Computer Sleep = 3 hours and 
Display Sleep = 1 hour. (I would normally use shorter times but this
is part of an attempt to figure out what's going on). We went out to
lunch today and were back in much less than 3 hours. The computer 
screens were black. When I woke it up, the computer reloaded the 
menu bar icons, apps that had been open were now closed, etc.

I have gone over all the System Preferences and cannot find anything
that looks like it could be causing this.

Am I missing something or should I submit a bug report?

-- 
John Varela

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#57918

John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> writes:

> OS X 10.9.2 running in an iMac. With this new installation (I 
> upgraded to Mavericks from 10.8.5 just last weekend.), sleep is 
> behaving very strangely.
> 
> When the system is put to sleep and wakened soon after, Mavericks 
> behaves like earlier versions. But if it's left asleep for a while 
> (I haven't done enough testing to know how long a "while" is but I 
> think it's of the order of an hour) it executes a restart. The menu 
> bar items have to be reinitiated, all the apps that I know were left
> open are closed, I have to re-sign in to 1Password, etc.

Not a restart, but it's relaoding a memory image, and then doing
what needs to be done to resume running it.

Feed this into your favorite search engine -

  OS X Safe Sleep, Hibernation and Standby

> I have gone over all the System Preferences and cannot find anything
> that looks like it could be causing this.

You can set the time it stays in sleep (before going into standby)
up to 24 hours, or disable the standby mode.  Launch the Terminal
emulator and "man pmset" for details.  Or buy a copy of -

http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerToolSys2.html

and just use it to set Safe Sleep as you'd like.

> Am I missing something or should I submit a bug report?

Heh.  The bug here is crappy user-level documentation.  As in none.

Billy Y..
-- 
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#57919

On 2014-03-12, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> OS X 10.9.2 running in an iMac. With this new installation (I 
>> upgraded to Mavericks from 10.8.5 just last weekend.), sleep is 
>> behaving very strangely.
>> 
>> When the system is put to sleep and wakened soon after, Mavericks 
>> behaves like earlier versions. But if it's left asleep for a while 
>> (I haven't done enough testing to know how long a "while" is but I 
>> think it's of the order of an hour) it executes a restart. The menu 
>> bar items have to be reinitiated, all the apps that I know were left
>> open are closed, I have to re-sign in to 1Password, etc.
>
> Not a restart, but it's relaoding a memory image, and then doing
> what needs to be done to resume running it.

Why would a desktop machine go into automatic hibernation? And why am I
not seeing this behavior on any of the Macs I have running Mavericks?

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#57921

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:

> Why would a desktop machine go into automatic hibernation? And why am I
> not seeing this behavior on any of the Macs I have running Mavericks?

Yea, after spending some time dealing with this just before I read the
OP's note, I missed that......

It'd be interesting to see what pmset -g says, though.

Billy Y..
-- 
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	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#57932

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Why would a desktop machine go into automatic hibernation? And why am I
> not seeing this behavior on any of the Macs I have running Mavericks?

It was introduced on new machines around the start of 2013, to comply
with some EU regulation about energy saving.

Open Terminal and type

pmset -g

to get information about sleep, in particular to see if this was the
issue.
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#57958

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:52:22 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel 
Cohen) wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Why would a desktop machine go into automatic hibernation? And why am I
> > not seeing this behavior on any of the Macs I have running Mavericks?
> 
> It was introduced on new machines around the start of 2013, to comply
> with some EU regulation about energy saving.
> 
> Open Terminal and type
> 
> pmset -g
> 
> to get information about sleep, in particular to see if this was the
> issue.

Results:

Currently in use:
 hibernate mode       0
 halfdim              1
 womp                 1
 networksleep         0
 sleep                180 (sleep prevented by UserEventAgent)
 Sleep on Power Button 1  
 ttyskeepawake        1
 hybernatefile        /var/am/sleepimage
 autorestart          0
 disksleep            10
 displaysleep         60

-- 
John Varela

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#57957

On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 23:24:21 UTC, billy@MIX.COM wrote:

> John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> writes:
> 
> > OS X 10.9.2 running in an iMac. With this new installation (I 
> > upgraded to Mavericks from 10.8.5 just last weekend.), sleep is 
> > behaving very strangely.
> > 
> > When the system is put to sleep and wakened soon after, Mavericks 
> > behaves like earlier versions. But if it's left asleep for a while 
> > (I haven't done enough testing to know how long a "while" is but I 
> > think it's of the order of an hour) it executes a restart. The menu 
> > bar items have to be reinitiated, all the apps that I know were left
> > open are closed, I have to re-sign in to 1Password, etc.
> 
> Not a restart, but it's relaoding a memory image, and then doing
> what needs to be done to resume running it.

I think I misspoke. It's not actually like a restart; there is no 
gray screen nor apple logo as in a start. It's like logging back in 
after having logged out.

When waking the computer from sleep, no matter how long it's been 
sleeping, say overnight, I am used to seeing the screen pop back up 
instantly, with all the windows open that were open when it went to 
sleep and all the minimized apps still active. (If the sleep was 
longer than the security parameter then I may have had to enter a 
password, but otherwise it behaved as described.)

Now in Mavericks, upon wake-up all windows are closed, all minimized
apps are closed, and it takes some seconds to get itself going. This
computer has a 27" monitor so there is lots of real estate on the 
menu bar. I run iStat Menus and -- let me count -- there are 28 
widgets on the menu bar, counting from Dropbox on the left to 
Notifications on the right. This stretch takes some seconds to 
repopulate, whether logging in or waking up.

This just in: Sometimes the system does wake up as I expect it to. I
haven't explored the conditions that cause this, but I suspect it is
the case that an open app -- probably Firefox, maybe Mail -- has 
prevented the OS from logging me out.

> Feed this into your favorite search engine -
> 
>   OS X Safe Sleep, Hibernation and Standby
> 
> > I have gone over all the System Preferences and cannot find anything
> > that looks like it could be causing this.
> 
> You can set the time it stays in sleep (before going into standby)
> up to 24 hours, or disable the standby mode.  Launch the Terminal
> emulator and "man pmset" for details.  Or buy a copy of -
> 
> http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerToolSys2.html

You remind me to update TinkerTool to v5.
 
> and just use it to set Safe Sleep as you'd like.
> 
> > Am I missing something or should I submit a bug report?
> 
> Heh.  The bug here is crappy user-level documentation.  As in none.
> 
> Billy Y..


-- 
John Varela

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#57962

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 20:37:43 UTC, "John Varela" 
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> This just in: Sometimes the system does wake up as I expect it to. I
> haven't explored the conditions that cause this, but I suspect it is
> the case that an open app -- probably Firefox, maybe Mail -- has 
> prevented the OS from logging me out.

I unchecked System Preferences > Security & Privacy > General >
"Log out after [30] minutes of inactivity."

I don't know if I set that or if it's the Mavericks default. Either 
way, unchecking that item seems to have solved my problem.

Sorry to have bothered you.

-- 
John Varela

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