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  Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-17 12:12 -0800
    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-17 20:22 +0000
    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-17 15:45 -0500
    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-18 08:25 +1100
      Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-17 21:03 -0800
        Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 05:10 +0000
          Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jack Shown <jackshown@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 17:35 -0800
            Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 02:21 +0000
              Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jack Shown <jackshown@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 18:38 -0800
                Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 04:24 +0000
            Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-18 22:50 -0800
              Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 15:50 +0000
                Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-19 21:41 -0800
                  Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 16:11 +0000
                    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-20 23:58 -0800
                      Re: Dragged files show up in the corner nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 05:52 -0500
        Re: Dragged files show up in the corner dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-18 17:46 +1100
          Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-18 10:19 -0800
            Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-18 14:25 -0500
              Re: Dragged files show up in the corner dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-19 06:56 +1100
              Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 20:07 +0000
                Re: Dragged files show up in the corner dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-19 08:22 +1100
              Re: Dragged files show up in the corner "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-02-18 22:16 +0000
              Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-18 22:47 -0800
                Re: Dragged files show up in the corner David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2014-02-19 14:52 -0600
                  Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-19 21:57 -0800
                    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 16:19 +0000
            Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 19:32 +0000
              Re: Dragged files show up in the corner dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-19 07:41 +1100
                Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 21:57 +0000
                  Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-18 22:40 -0800
                    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 15:47 +0000
                      Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-19 21:59 -0800
              Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-18 22:32 -0800
                Re: Dragged files show up in the corner dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-19 18:39 +1100
                  Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-19 22:10 -0800
                    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-20 20:35 +1100
                      Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 16:13 +0000
                        Re: Dragged files show up in the corner dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-21 08:22 +1100
                Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 15:56 +0000
                  Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-19 22:05 -0800
                Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 15:01 +0000
            Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 14:54 +0000
      Re: Dragged files show up in the corner billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-18 05:37 +0000
    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-02-17 17:07 -0500
      Re: Dragged files show up in the corner isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-02-17 21:00 -0800
    Re: Dragged files show up in the corner Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-18 11:52 +0000

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#56667

On 2014-02-18, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <isw-4882B6.10194818022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <do_ray_me-B73EED.17462218022014@news.albasani.net>,
>>  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Click on the desktop to be in Finder. You should have a menu item 
>>> called View. Under that item in a dropdown there should be a sub item 
>>> called Arrange by... Select that and you get choices.
>> 
>> That option is available for ordinary folders, but not for the desktop 
>> (at least in 10.8.2 ML).
>
> Interesting. The Arrange By option is there in Snow Leopard. I wonder 
> why they would have removed it.

*blink*...

They didn't - they renamed it, as anyone who just looks can see:

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/finder/desktop_sort_by.png>

You can also see the "Show View Options" menu command in that very same
menu, which leads to this window, offering plenty of options for
arranging items on the desktop:

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/finder/desktop_view_options.png>

As you can see, it's anything but rocket science. 

Use your eyes - that's what they are there for!

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#56674

In article <bmhsslFdm2cU3@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Use your eyes - that's what they are there for!

As far as I can see, *men*s* eyes are for all sorts of things:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veCZvM6-okQ>

-- 
dorayme

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#56678

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:25:56 UTC, Barry Margolin 
<barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <isw-4882B6.10194818022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <do_ray_me-B73EED.17462218022014@news.albasani.net>,
> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <isw-18161C.21033917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
> > >  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In article <do_ray_me-EC937F.08252718022014@news.albasani.net>,
> > > >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > In article <isw-23AAB2.12123917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
> > > > >  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Often (but not always), when I drag a file from some other folder 
> > > > > > onto 
> > > > > > the desktop, the file shows up half off the screen in the upper left 
> > > > > > corner, no matter where the cursor is when I let go. If I drag 
> > > > > > several 
> > > > > > files, they wind up in a pile at that location.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why does that happen, and how can I stop it?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Have you set a View Option and Arrange by pref for Finder? 
> > > > 
> > > > Not sure what you're asking. I'm unaware of any "view option" for the 
> > > > desktop -- it's icons.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Click on the desktop to be in Finder. You should have a menu item 
> > > called View. Under that item in a dropdown there should be a sub item 
> > > called Arrange by... Select that and you get choices.
> > 
> > That option is available for ordinary folders, but not for the desktop 
> > (at least in 10.8.2 ML).
> 
> Interesting. The Arrange By option is there in Snow Leopard. I wonder 
> why they would have removed it.
 
It's in 10.8.5, but it's called "Sort by".

-- 
John Varela

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#56708

In article <barmar-2A5063.14255618022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <isw-4882B6.10194818022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <do_ray_me-B73EED.17462218022014@news.albasani.net>,
> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <isw-18161C.21033917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
> > >  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In article <do_ray_me-EC937F.08252718022014@news.albasani.net>,
> > > >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > In article <isw-23AAB2.12123917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
> > > > >  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Often (but not always), when I drag a file from some other folder 
> > > > > > onto 
> > > > > > the desktop, the file shows up half off the screen in the upper 
> > > > > > left 
> > > > > > corner, no matter where the cursor is when I let go. If I drag 
> > > > > > several 
> > > > > > files, they wind up in a pile at that location.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why does that happen, and how can I stop it?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Have you set a View Option and Arrange by pref for Finder? 
> > > > 
> > > > Not sure what you're asking. I'm unaware of any "view option" for the 
> > > > desktop -- it's icons.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Click on the desktop to be in Finder. You should have a menu item 
> > > called View. Under that item in a dropdown there should be a sub item 
> > > called Arrange by... Select that and you get choices.
> > 
> > That option is available for ordinary folders, but not for the desktop 
> > (at least in 10.8.2 ML).
> 
> Interesting. The Arrange By option is there in Snow Leopard. I wonder 
> why they would have removed it.

In SL, it says "Arrange By" for both the desktop and other folders. Not 
so for ML. I haven't done a thorough analysis, but it seems that nearly 
the same functionality is in both, but the way to get to  given result 
differs from SL to ML.

Isaac

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#56720

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On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:47 -0800, 
 in article <isw-6C3364.22471718022014@[216.168.3.50]>, 
 isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:

> In article <barmar-2A5063.14255618022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>> Interesting. The Arrange By option is there in Snow Leopard. I 
>> wonder why they would have removed it.

It's received a name change, with no apparent change in 
functionality, from 'Arrange by', to 'Sort by'.

> In SL, it says "Arrange By" for both the desktop and other folders. 
> Not so for ML. I haven't done a thorough analysis, but it seems that 
> nearly the same functionality is in both, but the way to get to 
> given result differs from SL to ML.

As it appears that you are having difficulty navigating the Finder 
View menu, give this a shot:

    1)  Close all Finder windows, making certain the Finder is still 
        active.

    2)  Use ⌘-J on your keyboard.

    3)  In View Options dialog that appears, choose 'None', under the 
        'Sort by' drop-down menu.

This should provide you with the apparent disarray you seek.

If you are experiencing a situation, where icons are piling one on top 
of the other, do consider using the 'Snap to Grid' option.  This 
should allow the Desktop icons to remain in the general vicinity of 
where they are dropped, while making certain they're not overlapping.  
(You'll also find that you can vary the grid spacing, to your heart's 
content, from the View Options dialog window.)

Seriously, the Desktop isn't a good choice for a place to store 
documents, aliases or much of anything else.  From the sound of 
things, you're looking at a desktop similar to what I've grown to 
expect from the average Windows user, who allow the clutter to grow, 
as each installation insists it's so important that it should take up 
real estate by placing an alias to itself randomly on a user's 
desktop.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
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#56734

In article <alpine.OSX.2.11.1402191424400.69527@mako.ath.cx>,
 David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

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> On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:47 -0800, 
>  in article <isw-6C3364.22471718022014@[216.168.3.50]>, 
>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <barmar-2A5063.14255618022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> >> Interesting. The Arrange By option is there in Snow Leopard. I 
> >> wonder why they would have removed it.
> 
> It's received a name change, with no apparent change in 
> functionality, from 'Arrange by', to 'Sort by'.
> 
> > In SL, it says "Arrange By" for both the desktop and other folders. 
> > Not so for ML. I haven't done a thorough analysis, but it seems that 
> > nearly the same functionality is in both, but the way to get to 
> > given result differs from SL to ML.
> 
> As it appears that you are having difficulty navigating the Finder 
> View menu, give this a shot:
> 
>     1)  Close all Finder windows, making certain the Finder is still 
>         active.
> 
>     2)  Use ?-J on your keyboard.
> 
>     3)  In View Options dialog that appears, choose 'None', under the 
>         'Sort by' drop-down menu.
> 
> This should provide you with the apparent disarray you seek.

I do not have any trouble navigating the Finder View menu.

I do not seek disarray.

I DO want icons to stay where I drop them, not (sometimes) to wind up in 
the upper lefthand corner.

> If you are experiencing a situation, where icons are piling one on top 
> of the other, do consider using the 'Snap to Grid' option.  This 
> should allow the Desktop icons to remain in the general vicinity of 
> where they are dropped, while making certain they're not overlapping.

Sometimes, I *want* icons to overlap -- for example, if they have some 
characteristic in common.

> (You'll also find that you can vary the grid spacing, to your heart's 
> content, from the View Options dialog window.)

I want the grid spacing to be "zero" (i.e. where I drop an icon is where 
I want it to stay). That does not seem to be an option.

> Seriously, the Desktop isn't a good choice for a place to store 
> documents, aliases or much of anything else.  From the sound of 
> things, you're looking at a desktop similar to what I've grown to 
> expect from the average Windows user, who allow the clutter to grow, 
> as each installation insists it's so important that it should take up 
> real estate by placing an alias to itself randomly on a user's 
> desktop.

Your notion of what is a suitable occupant of the desktop seems to 
differ from mine. I want to put *whatever I want* there, *where* I want 
it to be. And mostly, that works just fine. It solves the "out of sight, 
out of mind" problem for me in an effective way.

To summarize: I do not need help in setting up how I want the desktop to 
behave. I've been setting up Mac desktops since OS 4. I was asking about 
a situation when it does *not* behave properly (i.e. placing an icon 
very far from where I dropped it).

Isaac

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#56756

On 2014-02-20, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> In article <alpine.OSX.2.11.1402191424400.69527@mako.ath.cx>,
>  David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
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>> 
>> On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:47 -0800, 
>>  in article <isw-6C3364.22471718022014@[216.168.3.50]>, 
>>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <barmar-2A5063.14255618022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> >> Interesting. The Arrange By option is there in Snow Leopard. I 
>> >> wonder why they would have removed it.
>> 
>> It's received a name change, with no apparent change in 
>> functionality, from 'Arrange by', to 'Sort by'.
>> 
>> > In SL, it says "Arrange By" for both the desktop and other folders. 
>> > Not so for ML. I haven't done a thorough analysis, but it seems that 
>> > nearly the same functionality is in both, but the way to get to 
>> > given result differs from SL to ML.
>> 
>> As it appears that you are having difficulty navigating the Finder 
>> View menu, give this a shot:
>> 
>>     1)  Close all Finder windows, making certain the Finder is still 
>>         active.
>> 
>>     2)  Use ?-J on your keyboard.
>> 
>>     3)  In View Options dialog that appears, choose 'None', under the 
>>         'Sort by' drop-down menu.
>> 
>> This should provide you with the apparent disarray you seek.
>
> I do not have any trouble navigating the Finder View menu.
>
> I do not seek disarray.
>
> I DO want icons to stay where I drop them, not (sometimes) to wind up in 
> the upper lefthand corner.
>
>> If you are experiencing a situation, where icons are piling one on top 
>> of the other, do consider using the 'Snap to Grid' option.  This 
>> should allow the Desktop icons to remain in the general vicinity of 
>> where they are dropped, while making certain they're not overlapping.
>
> Sometimes, I *want* icons to overlap -- for example, if they have some 
> characteristic in common.
>
>> (You'll also find that you can vary the grid spacing, to your heart's 
>> content, from the View Options dialog window.)
>
> I want the grid spacing to be "zero" (i.e. where I drop an icon is where 
> I want it to stay). That does not seem to be an option.

Don't be silly. Of course it's an option. It's View > Sort by > None.

Suggesting that it's not an option just because very occasionally it
doesn't work as it should is just plain disingenuous. Again, all
software has bugs. You seem to have found one. There's nothing you can
do about it except wait for Apple to fix it. As this seems to be an edge
case, the waiting period may be longer than if it were a very common
problem. It's probably best not to let it ruin your day. ; )

>> Seriously, the Desktop isn't a good choice for a place to store 
>> documents, aliases or much of anything else.  From the sound of 
>> things, you're looking at a desktop similar to what I've grown to 
>> expect from the average Windows user, who allow the clutter to grow, 
>> as each installation insists it's so important that it should take up 
>> real estate by placing an alias to itself randomly on a user's 
>> desktop.
>
> Your notion of what is a suitable occupant of the desktop seems to 
> differ from mine. I want to put *whatever I want* there, *where* I want 
> it to be. And mostly, that works just fine. It solves the "out of sight, 
> out of mind" problem for me in an effective way.
>
> To summarize: I do not need help in setting up how I want the desktop to 
> behave. I've been setting up Mac desktops since OS 4. I was asking about 
> a situation when it does *not* behave properly (i.e. placing an icon 
> very far from where I dropped it).

I'm not sure what more you want anyone here to say about it. We've
discussed the gamut of the issue. We've asked you questions you refuse
to answer. We've offered suggestions you've refused to follow. And
you're still apparently dissatisfied. *shrug* Nobody here owes you a
solution, BTW. We're all just trying to help. Do keep that in mind.

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#56662

On 2014-02-18, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> In article <do_ray_me-B73EED.17462218022014@news.albasani.net>,
>  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <isw-18161C.21033917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
>>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <do_ray_me-EC937F.08252718022014@news.albasani.net>,
>> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Have you set a View Option and Arrange by pref for Finder? 
>> > 
>> > Not sure what you're asking. I'm unaware of any "view option" for the 
>> > desktop -- it's icons.
>> 
>> Click on the desktop to be in Finder. You should have a menu item 
>> called View. Under that item in a dropdown there should be a sub item 
>> called Arrange by... Select that and you get choices.
>
> That option is available for ordinary folders, but not for the desktop 
> (at least in 10.8.2 ML).

Choose: View > Show View Options instead. 

>> There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
>> Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too.
>
> But nothing about where to put the icons. There are many more options if 
> opened in an ordinary folder.

Choose: View > Show View Options instead.

>> I find arrange by date modified to be a convenience for icons on the 
>> desktop because the most recent are always where I expect them, top 
>> rightish.
>
> I use various icon arrangements for various folders, depending. For the 
> desktop, I want icons to go *right where I put them* and *stay there*.

Then choose: View Options window > Sort by > None (or Snap To Grid, if
you like).

I've known about Mac OS X's desktop viewing options since they came into
being. I'm a little surprised that any long-time Mac user doesn't know
about them. It seems like some people don't explore software nearly to
the extent that I do.

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#56673

In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Choose: View > Show View Options instead. 

Yes, as I said:

"There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too."

But OP seems not to have that option according to his replies.

-- 
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#56675

On 2014-02-18, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Choose: View > Show View Options instead. 
>
> Yes, as I said:
>
> "There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
> Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too."
>
> But OP seems not to have that option according to his replies.

Doubt that. The View Options (⌘ J) facility has been part of Mac OS X
Finder for *quite* a few Mac OS X releases. I think it's more likely he
simply didn't pay attention to what was right in front of him:

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/finder/desktop_sort_by.png>

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/finder/desktop_view_options.png>

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#56707

In article <bmi3a4FfkftU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-02-18, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Choose: View > Show View Options instead. 
> >
> > Yes, as I said:
> >
> > "There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
> > Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too."
> >
> > But OP seems not to have that option according to his replies.
> 
> Doubt that. The View Options (? J) facility has been part of Mac OS X
> Finder for *quite* a few Mac OS X releases. I think it's more likely he
> simply didn't pay attention to what was right in front of him

Please note that the choices available in the drop-down "View" menu 
differ depending on whether it is invoked from desktop or from an 
"ordinary" folder. In a rather "un-Apple-like" way, some of (but not all 
of) the same options are available, but in different places, depending 
on what the target is.

Isaac

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#56712

On 2014-02-19, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> In article <bmi3a4FfkftU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-02-18, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> > In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
>> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Choose: View > Show View Options instead. 
>> >
>> > Yes, as I said:
>> >
>> > "There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
>> > Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too."
>> >
>> > But OP seems not to have that option according to his replies.
>> 
>> Doubt that. The View Options (? J) facility has been part of Mac OS X
>> Finder for *quite* a few Mac OS X releases. I think it's more likely he
>> simply didn't pay attention to what was right in front of him
>
> Please note that the choices available in the drop-down "View" menu 
> differ depending on whether it is invoked from desktop or from an 
> "ordinary" folder.

Yep. I knew that years ago. The menu options pertain to the front-most
window (which can be the desktop itself if no window is selected).

> In a rather "un-Apple-like" way, some of (but not all 
> of) the same options are available, but in different places, depending 
> on what the target is.

Show View Options window is always there though.

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#56736

In article <bmk203Fs153U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-02-19, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > In article <bmi3a4FfkftU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-02-18, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
> >> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Choose: View > Show View Options instead. 
> >> >
> >> > Yes, as I said:
> >> >
> >> > "There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
> >> > Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too."
> >> >
> >> > But OP seems not to have that option according to his replies.
> >> 
> >> Doubt that. The View Options (? J) facility has been part of Mac OS X
> >> Finder for *quite* a few Mac OS X releases. I think it's more likely he
> >> simply didn't pay attention to what was right in front of him
> >
> > Please note that the choices available in the drop-down "View" menu 
> > differ depending on whether it is invoked from desktop or from an 
> > "ordinary" folder.
> 
> Yep. I knew that years ago. The menu options pertain to the front-most
> window (which can be the desktop itself if no window is selected).
> 
> > In a rather "un-Apple-like" way, some of (but not all 
> > of) the same options are available, but in different places, depending 
> > on what the target is.
> 
> Show View Options window is always there though.

But its offerings are context dependent. For the desktop, they are more 
limited.

Isaac

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#56706

In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-02-18, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > In article <do_ray_me-B73EED.17462218022014@news.albasani.net>,
> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <isw-18161C.21033917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
> >>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > In article <do_ray_me-EC937F.08252718022014@news.albasani.net>,
> >> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > > Have you set a View Option and Arrange by pref for Finder? 
> >> > 
> >> > Not sure what you're asking. I'm unaware of any "view option" for the 
> >> > desktop -- it's icons.
> >> 
> >> Click on the desktop to be in Finder. You should have a menu item 
> >> called View. Under that item in a dropdown there should be a sub item 
> >> called Arrange by... Select that and you get choices.
> >
> > That option is available for ordinary folders, but not for the desktop 
> > (at least in 10.8.2 ML).
> 
> Choose: View > Show View Options instead.

That is the difference between the desktop choice and the ordinary 
folder one, but neither offers the "option" I was originally asking 
about, which is "Put the Icon Where The Cursor Was When I Let Go The 
Mouse Button".

> >> There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
> >> Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too.
> >
> > But nothing about where to put the icons. There are many more options if 
> > opened in an ordinary folder.
> 
> Choose: View > Show View Options instead.

Ditto. No option says to just let the icon drop where it is.

> >> I find arrange by date modified to be a convenience for icons on the 
> >> desktop because the most recent are always where I expect them, top 
> >> rightish.
> >
> > I use various icon arrangements for various folders, depending. For the 
> > desktop, I want icons to go *right where I put them* and *stay there*.
> 
> Then choose: View Options window > Sort by > None (or Snap To Grid, if
> you like).

In my original post, I observed that that does not always work on the 
desktop, and asked if anyone knew how to fix it.

> I've known about Mac OS X's desktop viewing options since they came into
> being. I'm a little surprised that any long-time Mac user doesn't know
> about them. It seems like some people don't explore software nearly to
> the extent that I do.

If you've found the "put it right there" choice, I'd like to know where 
it is.

Isaac

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#56710

In article <isw-7F4736.22324618022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
 isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:

> In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-02-18, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > > In article <do_ray_me-B73EED.17462218022014@news.albasani.net>,
> > >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <isw-18161C.21033917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
> > >>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> > In article <do_ray_me-EC937F.08252718022014@news.albasani.net>,
> > >> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > >> > 
> > >> > > Have you set a View Option and Arrange by pref for Finder? 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Not sure what you're asking. I'm unaware of any "view option" for the 
> > >> > desktop -- it's icons.
> > >> 
> > >> Click on the desktop to be in Finder. You should have a menu item 
> > >> called View. Under that item in a dropdown there should be a sub item 
> > >> called Arrange by... Select that and you get choices.
> > >
> > > That option is available for ordinary folders, but not for the desktop 
> > > (at least in 10.8.2 ML).
> > 
> > Choose: View > Show View Options instead.
> 
> That is the difference between the desktop choice and the ordinary 
> folder one, 

Both alter the desktop itself on SL.

> but neither offers the "option" I was originally asking 
> about, which is "Put the Icon Where The Cursor Was When I Let Go The 
> Mouse Button".
>

This is not true in SL at least. You have choices in this OS of None 
(the one you maybe want), Snap to grid (but basically almost where you 
want but tidy) and then other choices.
 
> > >> There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
> > >> Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too.
> > >
> > > But nothing about where to put the icons. There are many more options if 
> > > opened in an ordinary folder.
> > 
> > Choose: View > Show View Options instead.
> 
> Ditto. No option says to just let the icon drop where it is.
>

Are you sure you are understanding the options which are available to 
you. See my last comment above.
 
> > >> I find arrange by date modified to be a convenience for icons on the 
> > >> desktop because the most recent are always where I expect them, top 
> > >> rightish.
> > >
> > > I use various icon arrangements for various folders, depending. For the 
> > > desktop, I want icons to go *right where I put them* and *stay there*.
> > 
> > Then choose: View Options window > Sort by > None (or Snap To Grid, if
> > you like).
> 
> In my original post, I observed that that does not always work on the 
> desktop, and asked if anyone knew how to fix it.
> 
> > I've known about Mac OS X's desktop viewing options since they came into
> > being. I'm a little surprised that any long-time Mac user doesn't know
> > about them. It seems like some people don't explore software nearly to
> > the extent that I do.
> 
> If you've found the "put it right there" choice, I'd like to know where 
> it is.
> 

It is there in SL where I said, in the Show View Options in the drop 
down menu on Arrange By. I would be surprised if it was not there on 
your OS - but I won't bet the house on it. <g>

May I suggest you *try* a few of these options and see if your OS then 
gets its act together in terms of knowing where icons are. Temporarily 
choose the option of modified, you can choose another option later. 
Say what happens to your pile up problem after these tests.

-- 
dorayme

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#56738

In article <do_ray_me-926AA9.18394719022014@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <isw-7F4736.22324618022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 2014-02-18, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <do_ray_me-B73EED.17462218022014@news.albasani.net>,
> > > >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> In article <isw-18161C.21033917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
> > > >>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> > In article <do_ray_me-EC937F.08252718022014@news.albasani.net>,
> > > >> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > > Have you set a View Option and Arrange by pref for Finder? 
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > Not sure what you're asking. I'm unaware of any "view option" for 
> > > >> > the 
> > > >> > desktop -- it's icons.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Click on the desktop to be in Finder. You should have a menu item 
> > > >> called View. Under that item in a dropdown there should be a sub item 
> > > >> called Arrange by... Select that and you get choices.
> > > >
> > > > That option is available for ordinary folders, but not for the desktop 
> > > > (at least in 10.8.2 ML).
> > > 
> > > Choose: View > Show View Options instead.
> > 
> > That is the difference between the desktop choice and the ordinary 
> > folder one, 
> 
> Both alter the desktop itself on SL.
> 
> > but neither offers the "option" I was originally asking 
> > about, which is "Put the Icon Where The Cursor Was When I Let Go The 
> > Mouse Button".
> >
> 
> This is not true in SL at least. You have choices in this OS of None 
> (the one you maybe want), Snap to grid (but basically almost where you 
> want but tidy) and then other choices.
>  
> > > >> There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
> > > >> Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too.
> > > >
> > > > But nothing about where to put the icons. There are many more options 
> > > > if 
> > > > opened in an ordinary folder.
> > > 
> > > Choose: View > Show View Options instead.
> > 
> > Ditto. No option says to just let the icon drop where it is.
> >
> 
> Are you sure you are understanding the options which are available to 
> you. See my last comment above.
>  
> > > >> I find arrange by date modified to be a convenience for icons on the 
> > > >> desktop because the most recent are always where I expect them, top 
> > > >> rightish.
> > > >
> > > > I use various icon arrangements for various folders, depending. For the 
> > > > desktop, I want icons to go *right where I put them* and *stay there*.
> > > 
> > > Then choose: View Options window > Sort by > None (or Snap To Grid, if
> > > you like).
> > 
> > In my original post, I observed that that does not always work on the 
> > desktop, and asked if anyone knew how to fix it.
> > 
> > > I've known about Mac OS X's desktop viewing options since they came into
> > > being. I'm a little surprised that any long-time Mac user doesn't know
> > > about them. It seems like some people don't explore software nearly to
> > > the extent that I do.
> > 
> > If you've found the "put it right there" choice, I'd like to know where 
> > it is.
> > 
> 
> It is there in SL where I said, in the Show View Options in the drop 
> down menu on Arrange By. I would be surprised if it was not there on 
> your OS - but I won't bet the house on it. <g>
> 
> May I suggest you *try* a few of these options and see if your OS then 
> gets its act together in terms of knowing where icons are. Temporarily 
> choose the option of modified, you can choose another option later. 
> Say what happens to your pile up problem after these tests.

It may be that if I choose one of the constrained arrangement options, 
icons would not occasionally pile up in the corner. Frankly, I don't 
care if that would "fix" the problem, because I do not care for any of 
the constrained arrangements and would not use them anyway.

Isaac

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#56743

In article <isw-A06DA2.22104819022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
 isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:

> > May I suggest you *try* a few of these options and see if your OS then 
> > gets its act together in terms of knowing where icons are. Temporarily 
> > choose the option of modified, you can choose another option later. 
> > Say what happens to your pile up problem after these tests.
> 
> It may be that if I choose one of the constrained arrangement options, 
> icons would not occasionally pile up in the corner. Frankly, I don't 
> care if that would "fix" the problem, because I do not care for any of 
> the constrained arrangements and would not use them anyway.

No one is suggesting you stick with an option you don't want. The 
suggestion is you actually try some options mentioned and see the 
effects. The exercise might train your computer, shake it out of 
pile-ups, you can return to the "none" option mentioned.

The option for placing icons where you want has been mentioned by me 
and possibly others, this would be the final option after 
experimenting and then you would see how you stood with regard to the 
pile-ups.

You seem to be reluctant to do any experimenting using options 
mentioned, to change them, to see the effect on your computer. I am 
baffled at your reluctance?

-- 
dorayme

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#56755

On 2014-02-20, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> In article <isw-A06DA2.22104819022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
>
>> > May I suggest you *try* a few of these options and see if your OS then 
>> > gets its act together in terms of knowing where icons are. Temporarily 
>> > choose the option of modified, you can choose another option later. 
>> > Say what happens to your pile up problem after these tests.
>> 
>> It may be that if I choose one of the constrained arrangement options, 
>> icons would not occasionally pile up in the corner. Frankly, I don't 
>> care if that would "fix" the problem, because I do not care for any of 
>> the constrained arrangements and would not use them anyway.
>
> No one is suggesting you stick with an option you don't want. The 
> suggestion is you actually try some options mentioned and see the 
> effects. The exercise might train your computer, shake it out of 
> pile-ups, you can return to the "none" option mentioned.
>
> The option for placing icons where you want has been mentioned by me 
> and possibly others, this would be the final option after 
> experimenting and then you would see how you stood with regard to the 
> pile-ups.
>
> You seem to be reluctant to do any experimenting using options 
> mentioned, to change them, to see the effect on your computer. I am 
> baffled at your reluctance?

You can lead a horse to water...

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#56769

In article <bmmntbFevf5U2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-02-20, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > In article <isw-A06DA2.22104819022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
> >  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > May I suggest you *try* a few of these options and see if your OS then 
> >> > gets its act together in terms of knowing where icons are. Temporarily 
> >> > choose the option of modified, you can choose another option later. 
> >> > Say what happens to your pile up problem after these tests.
> >> 
> >> It may be that if I choose one of the constrained arrangement options, 
> >> icons would not occasionally pile up in the corner. Frankly, I don't 
> >> care if that would "fix" the problem, because I do not care for any of 
> >> the constrained arrangements and would not use them anyway.
> >
> > No one is suggesting you stick with an option you don't want. The 
> > suggestion is you actually try some options mentioned and see the 
> > effects. The exercise might train your computer, shake it out of 
> > pile-ups, you can return to the "none" option mentioned.
> >
> > The option for placing icons where you want has been mentioned by me 
> > and possibly others, this would be the final option after 
> > experimenting and then you would see how you stood with regard to the 
> > pile-ups.
> >
> > You seem to be reluctant to do any experimenting using options 
> > mentioned, to change them, to see the effect on your computer. I am 
> > baffled at your reluctance?
> 
> You can lead a horse to water...

Needed is a nice solution, in a nice box, with a nice ribbon and with 
batteries included. <g>

-- 
dorayme

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#56714

On 2014-02-19, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> In article <bmhqq3Fdm2cU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-02-18, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
>> > In article <do_ray_me-B73EED.17462218022014@news.albasani.net>,
>> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <isw-18161C.21033917022014@[216.168.3.50]>,
>> >>  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > In article <do_ray_me-EC937F.08252718022014@news.albasani.net>,
>> >> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> > > Have you set a View Option and Arrange by pref for Finder? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Not sure what you're asking. I'm unaware of any "view option" for the 
>> >> > desktop -- it's icons.
>> >> 
>> >> Click on the desktop to be in Finder. You should have a menu item 
>> >> called View. Under that item in a dropdown there should be a sub item 
>> >> called Arrange by... Select that and you get choices.
>> >
>> > That option is available for ordinary folders, but not for the desktop 
>> > (at least in 10.8.2 ML).
>> 
>> Choose: View > Show View Options instead.
>
> That is the difference between the desktop choice and the ordinary 
> folder one, but neither offers the "option" I was originally asking 
> about, which is "Put the Icon Where The Cursor Was When I Let Go The 
> Mouse Button".

That is incorrect. The option you refer to is at View > Show View
Options > Sort by > None. It works most of the time, but occasionally
does not work correctly, which is why this thread was started to begin
with. Saying the option isn't there is disingenuous. The option is
there; but as is the case with a whole lot of software, there is a bug
that prevents it from working properly all the time in all cases.

>> >> There is also another item under the View menu called Show View 
>> >> Options, this gives you choices for the desktop too.
>> >
>> > But nothing about where to put the icons. There are many more options if 
>> > opened in an ordinary folder.
>> 
>> Choose: View > Show View Options instead.
>
> Ditto. No option says to just let the icon drop where it is.

Incorrect. See above.

>> >> I find arrange by date modified to be a convenience for icons on the 
>> >> desktop because the most recent are always where I expect them, top 
>> >> rightish.
>> >
>> > I use various icon arrangements for various folders, depending. For the 
>> > desktop, I want icons to go *right where I put them* and *stay there*.
>> 
>> Then choose: View Options window > Sort by > None (or Snap To Grid, if
>> you like).
>
> In my original post, I observed that that does not always work on the 
> desktop, and asked if anyone knew how to fix it.

And in a reply to you, someone asked how your desktop view settings were
configured. Then you stated no such settings were available. Others
tried to show you where those settings are. You never did answer the
question, and now you are coming full circle (still without answering
the question). Loop complete.

>> I've known about Mac OS X's desktop viewing options since they came into
>> being. I'm a little surprised that any long-time Mac user doesn't know
>> about them. It seems like some people don't explore software nearly to
>> the extent that I do.
>
> If you've found the "put it right there" choice, I'd like to know where 
> it is.

Others have told you previously. I just told you again.

Th fact that it may not work 100% of the time has also been discussed ad
nauseam.

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