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  Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-19 17:17 -0500
    Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 23:09 +0000
      Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-19 20:03 -0500
        Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 02:12 +0000
          Re: Drobo end days. Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-02-19 19:54 -0800
            Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 04:49 +0000
          Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 17:16 -0500
            Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 23:41 +0000
              Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 20:13 -0500
            Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 23:45 +0000
              Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 20:17 -0500
            Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 23:48 +0000
              Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 20:15 -0500
              Re: Drobo end days. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-21 01:39 +0000
            Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 23:52 +0000
        Re: Drobo end days. Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-19 20:53 -0800
          Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 16:21 +0000
          Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-20 17:24 -0500
            Re: Drobo end days. Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-25 10:43 -0800
          Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G - 2014-02-27 13:44 -0600
            Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 21:15 +0000
              Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:42 -0500
                Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 23:32 +0000
                  Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:49 -0500
                    Re: Drobo end days. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 23:54 +0000
                  Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:13 -0600
                Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:01 -0600
                Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:21 -0600
                  Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-28 16:37 -0500
            Re: Drobo end days. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-27 21:55 +0000
              Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:03 -0600
      Re: Drobo end days. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 15:30 +0000
        Re: Drobo end days. Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 08:16 -0600
          Re: Drobo end days. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 23:25 +0000
        Re: Drobo end days. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-28 16:44 -0500

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#57183

On 2014-02-27, Kaltsas, Alexander G <Kaltsas> wrote:
>
> I retired my 2nd Gen Drobo a few months ago for a Synology NAS DS1512+. 
> The drobo 2nd Gen has always been slow, about 12 MB/s under USB and 
> maybe a squeek over 20 MB/s on FW800. I know another guy who has a 2nd 
> Gen Drobo his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon, 
> I think were just that slow.
>
> I typically was having CCC make nightly backups of all my drives to the 
> Drobo. One clocks in at 1.2 TB, One clocks in at 1.4 TB, and one clocks 
> in at 700GB.
>
> I also use crashplan to sync certain directories to a freinds NAS but I 
> like the whole disk images, easy to get back up and running.
>
> Given how slow the drobo is I thought I would do a test restore to 
> another machine, I'd be waiting days to get back up and running should 
> I have a drive failure. Some good that would be. Piddled around a bit 
> and settled on a Synology, they are well supported and have some great 
> features for building out additional storage. I wouldn't say they for 
> everybody, I'd probably suggest a QNAP device over a synology for most 
> folks.

I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*
to begin with, and they never claimed their older models were
particularly fast.

> I have used some of the newer drobos at work and they are faster, 
> especially with an MSATA ssd

They are *quite* fast, and have even more ease-of-use and data integrity
features as previous models.

> but for what I spent on that 2nd gen and how awesome they touted the
> damn thing (edit live video and photos right off this device!) Drobo
> as a company has kind of left a sour taste in my moutn.

Maybe that sour taste is just coming from your sour puss. I read one or
two reviews and it was crystal clear to me that the 2nd Gen Drobo wasn't
a speed demon when I purchased mine just after they were released. But
then speed wasn't my primary objective - I wanted the ease of use and
data integrity features more than that. If speed was that important to
you, reading one or two reviews should have been enough to convince you
to purchase something else. 

> They are dead simple for the layman but for anyone with a modicum of 
> computer skill I'd go with a different storage solution like a QNAP.

...as if skill has anything to do with whether one might appreciate
Drobo's features. You're just being silly and bitter. 

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#57199

On 2014.02.27, 16:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-02-27, Kaltsas, Alexander G <Kaltsas> wrote:
>>
>> I retired my 2nd Gen Drobo a few months ago for a Synology NAS DS1512+.
>> The drobo 2nd Gen has always been slow, about 12 MB/s under USB and
>> maybe a squeek over 20 MB/s on FW800. I know another guy who has a 2nd
>> Gen Drobo his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon,
>> I think were just that slow.
>>
>> I typically was having CCC make nightly backups of all my drives to the
>> Drobo. One clocks in at 1.2 TB, One clocks in at 1.4 TB, and one clocks
>> in at 700GB.
>>
>> I also use crashplan to sync certain directories to a freinds NAS but I
>> like the whole disk images, easy to get back up and running.
>>
>> Given how slow the drobo is I thought I would do a test restore to
>> another machine, I'd be waiting days to get back up and running should
>> I have a drive failure. Some good that would be. Piddled around a bit
>> and settled on a Synology, they are well supported and have some great
>> features for building out additional storage. I wouldn't say they for
>> everybody, I'd probably suggest a QNAP device over a synology for most
>> folks.
>
> I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
> Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*

Nobody (myself included) claimed we bought them for speed.  But having 
other, faster, options makes the 2nd gen Drobo look positively slow.

(Or negatively fast if you think that way).

And that, over time, may become an issue.

There is also the issue of single point of failure (as I've mentioned). 
  Buying another Drobo to backup a Drobo soon falls out of the cost 
effective spectrum.  (As I've mentioned).

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#57209

On 2014-02-27, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.27, 16:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2014-02-27, Kaltsas, Alexander G <Kaltsas> wrote:
>>>
>>> I retired my 2nd Gen Drobo a few months ago for a Synology NAS DS1512+.
>>> The drobo 2nd Gen has always been slow, about 12 MB/s under USB and
>>> maybe a squeek over 20 MB/s on FW800. I know another guy who has a 2nd
>>> Gen Drobo his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon,
>>> I think were just that slow.
>>>
>>> I typically was having CCC make nightly backups of all my drives to the
>>> Drobo. One clocks in at 1.2 TB, One clocks in at 1.4 TB, and one clocks
>>> in at 700GB.
>>>
>>> I also use crashplan to sync certain directories to a freinds NAS but I
>>> like the whole disk images, easy to get back up and running.
>>>
>>> Given how slow the drobo is I thought I would do a test restore to
>>> another machine, I'd be waiting days to get back up and running should
>>> I have a drive failure. Some good that would be. Piddled around a bit
>>> and settled on a Synology, they are well supported and have some great
>>> features for building out additional storage. I wouldn't say they for
>>> everybody, I'd probably suggest a QNAP device over a synology for most
>>> folks.
>>
>> I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
>> Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*
>
> Nobody (myself included) claimed we bought them for speed.  But having 
> other, faster, options makes the 2nd gen Drobo look positively slow.

No, clearly above he said "I know another guy who has a 2nd Gen Drobo
his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon, I think
were just that slow" indicating he expected faster speeds. In contrast,
I purchased one when they were first released, and knew after reading
just a couple reviews exactly what sort of speed to expect; therefore I
was not disappointed with the speed. Caveat emptor definitely applies
here.

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#57215

On 2014.02.27, 18:32 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-02-27, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.27, 16:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-27, Kaltsas, Alexander G <Kaltsas> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I retired my 2nd Gen Drobo a few months ago for a Synology NAS DS1512+.
>>>> The drobo 2nd Gen has always been slow, about 12 MB/s under USB and
>>>> maybe a squeek over 20 MB/s on FW800. I know another guy who has a 2nd
>>>> Gen Drobo his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon,
>>>> I think were just that slow.
>>>>
>>>> I typically was having CCC make nightly backups of all my drives to the
>>>> Drobo. One clocks in at 1.2 TB, One clocks in at 1.4 TB, and one clocks
>>>> in at 700GB.
>>>>
>>>> I also use crashplan to sync certain directories to a freinds NAS but I
>>>> like the whole disk images, easy to get back up and running.
>>>>
>>>> Given how slow the drobo is I thought I would do a test restore to
>>>> another machine, I'd be waiting days to get back up and running should
>>>> I have a drive failure. Some good that would be. Piddled around a bit
>>>> and settled on a Synology, they are well supported and have some great
>>>> features for building out additional storage. I wouldn't say they for
>>>> everybody, I'd probably suggest a QNAP device over a synology for most
>>>> folks.
>>>
>>> I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
>>> Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*
>>
>> Nobody (myself included) claimed we bought them for speed.  But having
>> other, faster, options makes the 2nd gen Drobo look positively slow.
>
> No, clearly above he said "I know another guy who has a 2nd Gen Drobo


Then limit your sentences about 'a few vocal folks ...'...

Or take a malware survey so we can get some serious wisdom from you.


-- 
   Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
   or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
                   -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02

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#57216

On 2014-02-27, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.27, 18:32 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2014-02-27, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.02.27, 16:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
>>>> Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*
>>>
>>> Nobody (myself included) claimed we bought them for speed.  But having
>>> other, faster, options makes the 2nd gen Drobo look positively slow.
>>
>> No, clearly above he said "I know another guy who has a 2nd Gen Drobo
>> his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon, I think
>> were just that slow" indicating he expected faster speeds. In contrast,
>> I purchased one when they were first released, and knew after reading
>> just a couple reviews exactly what sort of speed to expect; therefore I
>> was not disappointed with the speed. Caveat emptor definitely applies
>> here.
>
> Then limit your sentences about 'a few vocal folks ...'...

"A few vocal folks" is exactly what I said, Alan. 

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#57237

On 2014-02-27 23:32:01 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2014-02-27, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.27, 16:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-27, Kaltsas, Alexander G <Kaltsas> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I retired my 2nd Gen Drobo a few months ago for a Synology NAS DS1512+.
>>>> The drobo 2nd Gen has always been slow, about 12 MB/s under USB and
>>>> maybe a squeek over 20 MB/s on FW800. I know another guy who has a 2nd
>>>> Gen Drobo his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon,
>>>> I think were just that slow.
>>>> 
>>>> I typically was having CCC make nightly backups of all my drives to the
>>>> Drobo. One clocks in at 1.2 TB, One clocks in at 1.4 TB, and one clocks
>>>> in at 700GB.
>>>> 
>>>> I also use crashplan to sync certain directories to a freinds NAS but I
>>>> like the whole disk images, easy to get back up and running.
>>>> 
>>>> Given how slow the drobo is I thought I would do a test restore to
>>>> another machine, I'd be waiting days to get back up and running should
>>>> I have a drive failure. Some good that would be. Piddled around a bit
>>>> and settled on a Synology, they are well supported and have some great
>>>> features for building out additional storage. I wouldn't say they for
>>>> everybody, I'd probably suggest a QNAP device over a synology for most
>>>> folks.
>>> 
>>> I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
>>> Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*
>> 
>> Nobody (myself included) claimed we bought them for speed.  But having
>> other, faster, options makes the 2nd gen Drobo look positively slow.
> 
> No, clearly above he said "I know another guy who has a 2nd Gen Drobo
> his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon, I think
> were just that slow" indicating he expected faster speeds. In contrast,
> I purchased one when they were first released, and knew after reading
> just a couple reviews exactly what sort of speed to expect; therefore I
> was not disappointed with the speed. Caveat emptor definitely applies
> here.

Maybe we should have waited for reviews but I bought mine at launch, 
because drobo was plugging the thing as the next messiah of storage. 
And they were claiming a significant speed boost over the 1st gen. 
Which, technically 20 MB/s was I suppose. I'm not trying to get into an 
argument here, I'm just stating that as my backups grew 20 MB/s 
transfer rates became unacceptable should I ever need to actually 
restore. The unit was in use for 5 years, I've never regreted the 
purchase. And at the time there was little else on the market to 
compete.

Now, the market is a different place, there's a lot of devices avalable 
and I don't think drobo brings as much to the table as they did in 
2008. A QNAP TS-420 at under 400 dollars offers a lot of bang for your 
buck.

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#57235

On 2014-02-27 22:42:29 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> On 2014.02.27, 16:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2014-02-27, Kaltsas, Alexander G <Kaltsas> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I retired my 2nd Gen Drobo a few months ago for a Synology NAS DS1512+.
>>> The drobo 2nd Gen has always been slow, about 12 MB/s under USB and
>>> maybe a squeek over 20 MB/s on FW800. I know another guy who has a 2nd
>>> Gen Drobo his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon,
>>> I think were just that slow.
>>> 
>>> I typically was having CCC make nightly backups of all my drives to the
>>> Drobo. One clocks in at 1.2 TB, One clocks in at 1.4 TB, and one clocks
>>> in at 700GB.
>>> 
>>> I also use crashplan to sync certain directories to a freinds NAS but I
>>> like the whole disk images, easy to get back up and running.
>>> 
>>> Given how slow the drobo is I thought I would do a test restore to
>>> another machine, I'd be waiting days to get back up and running should
>>> I have a drive failure. Some good that would be. Piddled around a bit
>>> and settled on a Synology, they are well supported and have some great
>>> features for building out additional storage. I wouldn't say they for
>>> everybody, I'd probably suggest a QNAP device over a synology for most
>>> folks.
>> 
>> I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
>> Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*
> 
> Nobody (myself included) claimed we bought them for speed.  But having 
> other, faster, options makes the 2nd gen Drobo look positively slow.
> 
> (Or negatively fast if you think that way).
> 
> And that, over time, may become an issue.
> 
> There is also the issue of single point of failure (as I've mentioned). 
>   Buying another Drobo to backup a Drobo soon falls out of the cost 
> effective spectrum.  (As I've mentioned).

I never said I bought it for speed. It's hard to remember, but back 
when they first launched they had a ton of marketing with Cali Lewis 
going on about how you could edit photos and videos right from the 
device and pull a drive and look you are still going. They certainly 
wern't suggesting these were the slowest devices.

As my backups have grown the viablity of a 2nd gen drobo lessened. 
Based on my testing if I ever had a failure I would be days recovering 
with the Drobo.

I've used newer Drobos with an mSATA card. They are much faster, but 
the 2nd gen left a somewhat sour taste in my mouth. I don't think they 
are bad but now there are better options on the market. At the time of 
the 1st/2nd gen drobos there was very little consumer/prosumer stuff 
that could compete. Now theres a wide variety to choose from. 

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#57239

On 2014-02-27 22:42:29 +0000, Alan Browne said:

>> I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
>> Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*
> 
> Nobody (myself included) claimed we bought them for speed.  But having 
> other, faster, options makes the 2nd gen Drobo look positively slow.
> 
> (Or negatively fast if you think that way).
> 
> And that, over time, may become an issue.

This, I never said I bought it for speed but it's never been as fast as 
Drobo's marketing would have had you believe. The unit was in use for 5 
years, I've never regreted the purchase but as I've moved from 500 gig 
drives to 2TB drives in it,  it would take me days to restore from my 
backups.

All things considered 5 years is a good run for any modern piece of 
computing equipment. All I'm saying is now, in 2014 there's a lot of 
devices to meet this sort of need on the market and Drobo isn't the 
clear winner with SAN/NAS technology for the layperson (or lazy person 
like me) anymore. In 2008 it was pretty cut and dry. If I knew then 
what i know now, given what was on the market I would still have bought 
the Drobo.

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#57255

On 2014.02.28, 09:21 , Kaltsas wrote:
> On 2014-02-27 22:42:29 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
>>> I find it quite amusing that a few vocal folks seem to have purchased
>>> Drobos for speed when data integrity was their *primary selling point*
>>
>> Nobody (myself included) claimed we bought them for speed.  But having
>> other, faster, options makes the 2nd gen Drobo look positively slow.
>>
>> (Or negatively fast if you think that way).
>>
>> And that, over time, may become an issue.
>
> This, I never said I bought it for speed but it's never been as fast as
> Drobo's marketing would have had you believe. The unit was in use for 5
> years, I've never regreted the purchase but as I've moved from 500 gig
> drives to 2TB drives in it,  it would take me days to restore from my
> backups.
>
> All things considered 5 years is a good run for any modern piece of
> computing equipment.

Much agreed.  No regrets on Drobo - but its days are done here...

> All I'm saying is now, in 2014 there's a lot of
> devices to meet this sort of need on the market and Drobo isn't the
> clear winner with SAN/NAS technology for the layperson (or lazy person
> like me) anymore. In 2008 it was pretty cut and dry. If I knew then what
> i know now, given what was on the market I would still have bought the
> Drobo.

NAS drives I've tried have been pretty slow as well - and that includes 
the completely incompetent Drobo Share.  Sold it.  I had the D-Link NAS 
(early one) and it wasn't too bad (not fast either), but you could not 
set permissions for folders.  Insane stupid.  (Nice thing about Best Buy 
- no question returns...)

I look forward to the day when Thunderbolt drives are less expensive...

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   people are not trained to perform.
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#57189

In message <530f959f$0$29055$862e30e2@ngroups.net> 
  Kaltsas, Alexander G <Kaltsas> wrote:
> I retired my 2nd Gen Drobo a few months ago for a Synology NAS DS1512+. 
> The drobo 2nd Gen has always been slow, about 12 MB/s under USB and 
> maybe a squeek over 20 MB/s on FW800. I know another guy who has a 2nd 
> Gen Drobo his tests out almost identical, I don't think I had a lemon, 
> I think were just that slow.

Yes, that sounds about right (and is why I didn't buy one).

> I typically was having CCC make nightly backups of all my drives to the 
> Drobo. One clocks in at 1.2 TB, One clocks in at 1.4 TB, and one clocks 
> in at 700GB.

There's incremental backups. They work very well.

> Given how slow the drobo is I thought I would do a test restore to 
> another machine, I'd be waiting days to get back up and running should 
> I have a drive failure. Some good that would be. Piddled around a bit 
> and settled on a Synology, they are well supported and have some great 
> features for building out additional storage. I wouldn't say they for 
> everybody, I'd probably suggest a QNAP device over a synology for most 
> folks.

Synology is a good choice for a NAS, but I think the Drobo 5N has some
advantages. Price is about the same, AIR, so that's not an issue. I was
pleasantly surprised that the Drobo can really host Plex. It's a little
slow loading up a share with thousands of items, but not unusable at
all, and it streams the 1080p just fine.

> They are dead simple for the layman but for anyone with a modicum of 
> computer skill I'd go with a different storage solution like a QNAP.

A lot of non-laymen use Drobos though.


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#57236

On 2014-02-27 21:55:41 +0000, Lewis said:

> 
>> I typically was having CCC make nightly backups of all my drives to the
>> Drobo. One clocks in at 1.2 TB, One clocks in at 1.4 TB, and one clocks
>> in at 700GB.
> 
> There's incremental backups. They work very well.

The incremental backups in CCC work great, I cant imagine backing up to 
that Drobo fully everynight. my issue was when I did a test restore, at 
20 MB/s I'm waiting a very very long time to get back on my feet. This 
would have been acceptable when I had a couple hundred Gigs but now at 
Terabytes of data, at best its painful.

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#56752

In message <bmkrtvF33eqU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-19, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
>> It was the surety of backup redundancy and the risk of single point 
>> failure...
>>
>> I am selling my first gen (2nd edition) Drobo.  I can't find a partner 
>> nearby with a similar (or compatible, at least) Drobo in case the 
>> electronics goes T-U on this one.

> If mine goes out, I'll just purchase a replacement. I'll be back up and
> running in a matter of days, which is perfectly sufficient for me. And
> if and when it becomes insufficient, I'll just purchase a second Drobo
> to run along side this one. 

Other than the last firmware update crapping on rsync (and my being too
lazy to do anything about it other than cp -van * /Drobo/TV/ every few
days, I've been very happy with the Drobo 5N. It has allowed me to
completely unload one machine from any Plex or plex-related duties.

I'm considering unloading plex from the other mac mini as well and
replacing it with a raspberry pi, a friend has done that and with the
hardware encoder it handles the 1080p h.264 perfectly. That will make
both machines considerably more responsive for other tasks (liek playing
WoW and minecraft).

I have 15.something TB in it right now, and it just chugs along. Even
with being a NAS it is still not the speediest thing in the world, but
it's comparable to most the direct-connected external drives I have.

>> I've ordered two Thermaltake dual drive SATA docks (USB 3.0) to replace 
>> the current Drobo and my USB 2.0 based dual drive dock.

> That's a definite step down, IMO; but whatever floats your boat.

I've not been at all impressed with USB3. Drive often vanish for no
reason (Mac or PC, makes no difference, any manufacturer). The only USB3
device I have that is mostly stable is the Mediasonic. It rarely drops
off (but it has done so, probably once a month-6 weeks) and is the
fastest of the USB3 drives. I've have seagate and third party external
USB3s and I just don't recommend them for most users.

-- 
'You don't think you've had enough, do you?' he said.  I KNOW WHEN I'VE
HAD ENOUGH.  'Everyone says that, though.  I KNOW WHEN EVERYONE'S HAD
ENOUGH. --Moving Pictures

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#57238

On 2014-02-20 15:30:28 +0000, Lewis said:

> I've not been at all impressed with USB3. Drive often vanish for no
> reason (Mac or PC, makes no difference, any manufacturer). The only USB3
> device I have that is mostly stable is the Mediasonic. It rarely drops
> off (but it has done so, probably once a month-6 weeks) and is the
> fastest of the USB3 drives. I've have seagate and third party external
> USB3s and I just don't recommend them for most users.

I chalk this up soley to the manufactures. I have a LACIE drive with 
thunderbolt and USB3 which is rock solid on either connection. I have 
two Seagate GoFlex USB3 drives that, anicdotally, are much flakier in 
terms of performance. Scientific study, perhaps not. But I'll buy 
another one of these LACIE drives at a higher price before I grab 
another Seagate. 

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#57262

In message <53109a52$0$29088$862e30e2@ngroups.net> 
  Kaltsas  Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 15:30:28 +0000, Lewis said:

>> I've not been at all impressed with USB3. Drive often vanish for no
>> reason (Mac or PC, makes no difference, any manufacturer). The only USB3
>> device I have that is mostly stable is the Mediasonic. It rarely drops
>> off (but it has done so, probably once a month-6 weeks) and is the
>> fastest of the USB3 drives. I've have seagate and third party external
>> USB3s and I just don't recommend them for most users.

> I chalk this up soley to the manufactures. I have a LACIE drive with 
> thunderbolt and USB3 which is rock solid on either connection. I have 
> two Seagate GoFlex USB3 drives that, anicdotally, are much flakier in 
> terms of performance. Scientific study, perhaps not. But I'll buy 
> another one of these LACIE drives at a higher price before I grab 
> another Seagate. 

I finally ripped open every Seagate external, threw out the plastic and
PSU, and put the drives into real enclosures. They work much better now,
although one does seem to be really truly dead. I need to setup spinrite
in virtual box and see if I can recover it.

-- 
and I swear it happened just like this: / a sigh, a cry, a hungry kiss,
the Gates of Love they budged an inch / I can't say much has happened
since / but CLOSING TIME

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#57256

On 2014.02.20, 10:30 , Lewis wrote:

>
> I've not been at all impressed with USB3. Drive often vanish for no
> reason (Mac or PC, makes no difference, any manufacturer). The only USB3
> device I have that is mostly stable is the Mediasonic. It rarely drops
> off (but it has done so, probably once a month-6 weeks) and is the
> fastest of the USB3 drives. I've have seagate and third party external
> USB3s and I just don't recommend them for most users.

Under 10.9.1, the USB 3.0 drives were disconnecting at random (1 hour - 
4 hours typically).

I've spent hours on the phone with Apple (getting bumped higher and 
higher in the support tree).

They sent me an app to record data.

Then the 10.9.2 update came out - they said " ... oh update away ..."

Immediately after first starting 10.9.2 two of the USB 3.0 drives 
disconnected.  Once.

But since then they've been solid.  (I wrote a program to write reams of 
data to them (and read back at about 5% of the write rate), and all 4 
drives are fine.  No disconnects in nearly 2 non-stop days (I delete 
files on occasion to keep the programs running...).  Each file is a 
random size between 1 to 20 GB (filled with random numbers).)

Hopefully it's been nailed.

Half migrated Time Machine from the Drobo (eg: both being used for TM 
and all drives but one have been removed from the Drobo).

Will tryout CCC this weekend (30 day trial).

Also bought a USB 3.0 hub (Anker) and it's been very solid - but I haven 
used it for disk drives (other than a brief curiosity test - no issues 
but not a long test either).

-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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