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| Started by | Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> |
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| First post | 2014-01-31 10:16 -0500 |
| Last post | 2014-02-01 10:23 -0500 |
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Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-31 10:16 -0500
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> - 2014-01-31 15:20 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-31 13:13 -0500
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-02-01 08:35 -0500
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-01 11:16 -0500
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-02-01 11:25 -0500
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-01 12:24 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-01 20:42 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 23:05 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-02 16:52 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-02 22:57 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:10 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-02 16:58 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:07 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 14:50 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2014-02-04 19:43 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 01:25 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-07 11:15 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-07 18:05 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-10 18:23 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-02-12 19:43 -0800
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-13 21:17 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2014-02-11 19:49 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-07 11:09 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-03 01:53 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:05 -0600
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 19:05 +0000
Re: Wifi/Ethernet Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 10:23 -0500
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| From | Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> |
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| Date | 2014-01-31 10:16 -0500 |
| Subject | Wifi/Ethernet |
| Message-ID | <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net> |
Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1 In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the ethernet port and then everything freezes. Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think the guy wired up my networking badly? -- Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.
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| From | Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> |
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| Date | 2014-01-31 15:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #55656 |
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500 Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net> In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1 > > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the > ethernet port and then everything freezes. > > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think > the guy wired up my networking badly? Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs. -- Posted by Anon-Alone
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2014-01-31 13:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55657 |
In article <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net>, Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote: > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500 > Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net> > > In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>, > Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > > > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1 > > > > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and > > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out > > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from > > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the > > ethernet port and then everything freezes. > > > > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think > > the guy wired up my networking badly? > > Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs. I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 08:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #55660 |
In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > In article <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net>, > Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500 > > Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net> > > > > In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>, > > Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > > > > > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1 > > > > > > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and > > > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out > > > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from > > > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the > > > ethernet port and then everything freezes. > > > > > > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think > > > the guy wired up my networking badly? > > > > Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs. > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks. -- Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 11:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55692 |
In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>, > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > In article <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net>, > > Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote: > > > > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500 > > > Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net> > > > > > > In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>, > > > Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > > > > > > > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1 > > > > > > > > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and > > > > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out > > > > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from > > > > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the > > > > ethernet port and then everything freezes. > > > > > > > > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think > > > > the guy wired up my networking badly? > > > > > > Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs. > > > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. > > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks. In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no problems. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 11:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lcj76e$l5o$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #55705 |
In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>, > Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > > > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>, > > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > > > In article <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net>, > > > Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500 > > > > Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net> > > > > > > > > In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>, > > > > Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1 > > > > > > > > > > In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and > > > > > the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed > > > > > out > > > > > and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from > > > > > just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the > > > > > ethernet port and then everything freezes. > > > > > > > > > > Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think > > > > > the guy wired up my networking badly? > > > > > > > > Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs. > > > > > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. > > > > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be > > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks. > > In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as > it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no > problems. I'm just used to its buggy nature. It quite frequently freezes when I quit, and sometimes it just "goes away" for no apparent reason. Sometimes it refuses to send a message out without telling me. And so on. It's still the only Usenet client I use regularly (I'm not averse to firing up Gnus on my Linux thing). -- Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 12:24 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-641AA6.12245801022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55705 |
In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>, > Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > > > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>, > > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. > > > > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be > > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks. > > In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as > it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no > problems. I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-) -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 20:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bl54heFs838U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55721 |
On 2014-02-01, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>, > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > >> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>, >> Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: >> >> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>, >> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > >> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. >> > >> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be >> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks. >> >> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as >> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no >> problems. > > I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-) Shocking... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 23:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnleqvdo.a20.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #55721 |
In message <drache-641AA6.12245801022014@news.eternal-september.org> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>, > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: >> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>, >> Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: >> >> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>, >> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: >> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. >> > >> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be >> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks. >> >> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as >> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no >> problems. > I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-) You see what you want to see. -- "If you can't do something smart, do something right."
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-02 16:52 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-760B8A.16522902022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55741 |
In article <slrnleqvdo.a20.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <drache-641AA6.12245801022014@news.eternal-september.org> > erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>, > > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > >> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>, > >> Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > >> > >> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>, > >> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > >> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. > >> > > >> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be > >> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks. > >> > >> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as > >> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no > >> problems. > > > I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-) > > You see what you want to see. I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. That's what I see, whether I want to or not. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-02 22:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <020220142257463960%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #55788 |
In article <drache-760B8A.16522902022014@news.eternal-september.org>, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnleqvdo.a20.g.kreme@amelia.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > In message <drache-641AA6.12245801022014@news.eternal-september.org> > > erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > > In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>, > > > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > > >> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>, > > >> Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote: > > >> > > >> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>, > > >> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > > >> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9. > > >> > > > >> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be > > >> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks. > > >> > > >> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as > > >> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no > > >> problems. > > > > > I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-) > > > > You see what you want to see. > > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. That's > what I see, whether I want to or not. What do you see as being problematic, other than MTNW? -- "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place." - Douglas Adams
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-03 17:10 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-B17EC9.17104503022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55789 |
In article <020220142257463960%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <drache-760B8A.16522902022014@news.eternal-september.org>, > erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being > > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well > > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my > > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. That's > > what I see, whether I want to or not. > > What do you see as being problematic, other than MTNW? Oh, that's just the latest boggle. I play with graphics a lot, and it would wipe out my main editing program and force me to buy something strange and expensive I'd need to learn to use from scratch, which would hurt the most. There are many smaller nastinesses as well. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-02 16:58 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55788 |
On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote: > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. That's > what I see, whether I want to or not. Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and that was long before Mavericks. -- Ted
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-03 17:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55790 |
In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote: > > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being > > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well > > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my > > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. That's > > what I see, whether I want to or not. > > Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and > that was long before Mavericks. Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new number. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-02-04 14:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlf1vi8.169m.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #55815 |
In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> > wrote: >> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote: >> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being >> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well >> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my >> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. That's >> > what I see, whether I want to or not. >> >> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and >> that was long before Mavericks. > Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't > necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new > number. Oh yea, I rememebr how eeasy it was to open Appleworks files from my //c+ on the Mac. Oh wait. Well, yeah, but Mac Write files from System 1.x worked great in System 7-- oh, right, no they didn't. Word 6 worked really well with older versions of Word if by 'really well' you mean 'not at all' and you had to buy a third-party conversion tool. Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it always snowed on Christmas Eve? -- "In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily." Charles, Count Talleyrand
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| From | D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-04 19:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dog_cow-1391543029@macgui.com> |
| In reply to | #55846 |
Lewis wrote: > In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> > erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: >> In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> >> wrote: > >>> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote: >>> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being >>> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as >>> > well >>> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my >>> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. That's >>> > what I see, whether I want to or not. >>> >>> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and >>> that was long before Mavericks. > >> Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't >> necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new >> number. > > Oh yea, I rememebr how eeasy it was to open Appleworks files from my > //c+ on the Mac. Oh wait. It was pretty easy with Apple File Exchange. The IIc Plus had an 800 k DS drive. > > Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices > were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it > always snowed on Christmas Eve? There is a game called Missile Command. It was written in 1984. It will run on every model of Macintosh and every classic Mac OS System up to 9.2. -- ]DF$ Apple II Book: http://macgui.com/newa2guide/ Usenet: http://macgui.com/usenet/ <-- get posts by email! Apple II Web & Blog hosting: http://a2hq.com/
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 01:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlf34om.1mr2.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #55887 |
In message <dog_cow-1391543029@macgui.com> D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote: > Lewis wrote: >> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> >> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: >>> In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >> >>>> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote: >>>> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being >>>> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as >>>> > well >>>> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my >>>> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. That's >>>> > what I see, whether I want to or not. >>>> >>>> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and >>>> that was long before Mavericks. >> >>> Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't >>> necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new >>> number. >> >> Oh yea, I rememebr how eeasy it was to open Appleworks files from my >> //c+ on the Mac. Oh wait. > It was pretty easy with Apple File Exchange. The IIc Plus had an 800 k DS > drive. As I recall, you didn't open your old AppleWorks files, you converted them, one-way, to the new format. >> Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices >> were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it >> always snowed on Christmas Eve? > There is a game called Missile Command. It was written in 1984. It will run > on every model of Macintosh and every classic Mac OS System up to 9.2. And stack that up against thousands and thousands of programs that broke with System 6, System 7, System 7.1, System 7.5, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, OS X 10.0, 10.1, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7. -- The Drum jealously guarded its reputation as the most stylishly disreputable tavern in Ankh-Morpork and the big troll that now guarded the door carefully vetted customers for suitability in the way of black cloaks, glowing eyes, magic swords and so forth. Rincewind never found out what he did to the failures. Perhaps he ate them. --Sourcery
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-07 11:15 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-78DD81.11151607022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55925 |
In article <slrnlf34om.1mr2.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <dog_cow-1391543029@macgui.com> > D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote: > > Lewis wrote: > >> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> > As I recall, you didn't open your old AppleWorks files, you converted > them, one-way, to the new format. I can still open them with Pages as long as they were originally saved as WP. Pages can't open anything else because of its limitations, unlike every version of ClarisWorks and AppleWorks. It can't even make calendars, which I still need AW for if I want to make them the size I want them. > > >> Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices > >> were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it > >> always snowed on Christmas Eve? Pre OS 10.6 > > > There is a game called Missile Command. It was written in 1984. It will run > > on every model of Macintosh and every classic Mac OS System up to 9.2. I still have a couple games on the old computer, which is 9.2.2. It's also the only one that can open my interactive Bayeux Tapestry DVD. > > And stack that up against thousands and thousands of programs that broke > with System 6, System 7, System 7.1, System 7.5, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, OS > X 10.0, 10.1, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7. No, most of them broke with OSX and they keep breaking as the numbers after OS X mount up. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-02-07 18:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlfa83k.2ejo.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #56175 |
In message <drache-78DD81.11151607022014@news.eternal-september.org> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnlf34om.1mr2.g.kreme@amelia.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <dog_cow-1391543029@macgui.com> >> D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote: >> > Lewis wrote: >> >> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> >> As I recall, you didn't open your old AppleWorks files, you converted >> them, one-way, to the new format. > I can still open them with Pages as long as they were originally saved > as WP. Pages can't open anything else because of its limitations, > unlike every version of ClarisWorks and AppleWorks. It can't even make > calendars, which I still need AW for if I want to make them the size I > want them. You're talking about very different versions of AppleWorks. The version for the Apple // series was almost nothing like the later version for the Mac, other than in name. >> >> Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices >> >> were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it >> >> always snowed on Christmas Eve? > Pre OS 10.6 Facts do not bare that out. I remember many many programs breaking with System 7 and many more with System 7.5 and many more with Mac OS 8.0. A lot broke with 10.3 (but very few with 10.0-10.2), and a lot again with 10.5. With Mac OS 8 (originally System 7.7) I was on the beta team and of the hundred or so bugs I filed nearly all of them where "program x crashes on launch" or "program y crashes when you try to print" sorts of bugs. >> > There is a game called Missile Command. It was written in 1984. It will run >> > on every model of Macintosh and every classic Mac OS System up to 9.2. > I still have a couple games on the old computer, which is 9.2.2. > It's also the only one that can open my interactive Bayeux Tapestry DVD. >> >> And stack that up against thousands and thousands of programs that broke >> with System 6, System 7, System 7.1, System 7.5, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, OS >> X 10.0, 10.1, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7. > No, most of them broke with OSX and they keep breaking as the numbers > after OS X mount up. Again, the facts do not back you up. -- I get the feeling that some people's idea of heaven is an "I told you so" T-shirt - mmalc
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-10 18:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-D6A13D.18234110022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #56176 |
In article <slrnlfa83k.2ejo.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > You're talking about very different versions of AppleWorks. The version > for the Apple // series was almost nothing like the later version for > the Mac, other than in name. Oh, I was using ClarisWorks almost from its inception, I think. By the time I had to switch to AW, it soon came in a version for both OS 9 and OSX and could open older AW and CW files. Pages cut its abilities in half and threw in useless "templates" , threw out useful ones and most individual options. I don't remember what I was using on the Apple //e. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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