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  iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 19:16 -0800
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 19:25 -0800
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:27 +1300
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 21:19 -0800
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 21:53 -0800
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 18:54 +1300
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:28 -0800
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 09:09 +1300
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:45 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-09 11:54 -0500
                  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:01 -0800
                    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-09 22:06 -0800
                      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:12 -0800
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-12 19:10 +1300
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-12 18:40 +0000
                    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-10 15:39 -0500
                      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:15 -0800
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-11 23:20 -0700
                          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:20 -0800
                            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-11 22:33 -0800
                          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 00:14 -0700
                            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 22:03 +0000
                              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 18:19 -0700
                                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-13 02:03 +0000
                                  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 21:56 -0700
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-10 09:33 +0000
                  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:16 -0800
                    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 05:20 +0000
                      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:23 -0800
                      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 01:04 -0500
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:25 -0800
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 05:11 -0500
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 11:57 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:26 -0500
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 13:06 +0000
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 16:12 +0000
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 16:29 +0000
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 12:11 +0000
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 12:02 -0800
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2014-01-06 19:53 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-07 17:06 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 18:50 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-08 06:03 -0500
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:50 -0800
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-09 18:54 +0000
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:02 -0800
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 03:27 +0000

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#54641

In article <rtmdndV0Bv3Aw0_PnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> > > I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not
> > > have access to other applications.  That gives me little comfort.
> >
> > If it can't access other applications and data from other applications,
> > then it can't do any of that.  It's that simple.
> 
> Say the application is a chat application.   Why couldn't it open up the
> microphone and listen to sounds in the room around the iPad? 

it could, but it will ask the user if it wants to use the microphone,
and it can only access the microphone when running in the foreground
anyway. 

what it *can't* do is access the microphone at random times.

> Why couldn't
> it sense when the iPad is activated and take photos?  

it could, but the user would notice it.  

> Why couldn't it
> browse allowed parts of the file system?  

the only allowed parts are the app's own sandbox. 

that's relatively boring. the good stuff is elsewhere, out of reach.

> If the application has Internet
> access it could establish an outgoing connection to a control channel, and
> then someone on the other end could use that connection to direct the
> actions of the application.

that's a bit of a stretch but the user would have to run the app for
that to even happen. 

when the user isn't running the app, there's nothing the other end
could do.

plus, the user would notice something odd happening anyway.

> No, that's not as bad as a rootkit virus on a desktop operating system.
> But it is intrusive.

it's also tinfoil hat material.

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#54618

In article <hs2dnfy-jYd2uU_PnZ2dnUVZ5vadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:100120141539360202%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> > In article <56OdnXMhOZFSEVLPnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
> > > > phone, which removes all of the security).
> > >
> > > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+
> applications?
> >
> > they don't have to check every line of code.
> >
> > one thing they do is check to see what api calls an app uses and if any
> > of those are not among the public official apis, the app is rejected.
> > this is an automated process and takes almost no time to do.
> >
> > > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could -
> in
> > > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or
> control.
> >
> > not when the apps are sandboxed.
> >
> > there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period.
> 
> So what?   I never said that one program would access any part of any other
> program.    People keep repeating this point, as if it is a requirement for
> a Trojan.  It is not.
> 
> If a program can behave like a cell phone, and make calls, inspect common
> address book information, open data connections to a remote host, etc,
> plenty of mischief can be done.
> 
> I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not
> have access to other applications.  That gives me little comfort.

Take whatever comfort you can get from whereever. My sense in reading 
all you've posted so far is 

(a) you're either a troll trying to argue to keep this thread going 
because you don't really have any interest in listening to what others 
are offering

Or

(b) you believe the paranoid fantasy you've concocted about what "they" 
are doing to mess up your system where they are "Apple", the "NSA", and 
those people that floridate your water.  Maybe less time in the day room 
away from the computer is in order.

Have fun with that tin foil hat, troll boy.

-- 
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#54621

In article <vilain-0043AB.22333911012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> Or
> 
> (b) you believe the paranoid fantasy you've concocted about what "they" 
> are doing to mess up your system where they are "Apple", the "NSA", and 
> those people that floridate your water.

Or time-traveling industrial-rock-band terrorists.

-- Michelle

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#54658

On 2014-01-12, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <vilain-0043AB.22333911012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
> Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> Or
>> 
>> (b) you believe the paranoid fantasy you've concocted about what "they" 
>> are doing to mess up your system where they are "Apple", the "NSA", and 
>> those people that floridate your water.
>
> Or time-traveling industrial-rock-band terrorists.

Careful, Michelle! Marshall Mathers might be listening!

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#54676

In article <bjghpuFnaunU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-12, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <vilain-0043AB.22333911012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
> > Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Or
> >> 
> >> (b) you believe the paranoid fantasy you've concocted about what "they" 
> >> are doing to mess up your system where they are "Apple", the "NSA", and 
> >> those people that floridate your water.
> >
> > Or time-traveling industrial-rock-band terrorists.
> 
> Careful, Michelle! Marshall Mathers might be listening!

Not to worry; he's hip hop, not industrial rock.

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#54678

On 2014-01-13, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <bjghpuFnaunU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-01-12, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> > In article <vilain-0043AB.22333911012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
>> > Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Or
>> >> 
>> >> (b) you believe the paranoid fantasy you've concocted about what "they" 
>> >> are doing to mess up your system where they are "Apple", the "NSA", and 
>> >> those people that floridate your water.
>> >
>> > Or time-traveling industrial-rock-band terrorists.
>> 
>> Careful, Michelle! Marshall Mathers might be listening!
>
> Not to worry; he's hip hop, not industrial rock.

Not necessarily. If you'll recall, according to our good friend
"Phantasy", Marshall Mathers is actually "Tim Skold", whom is a former
member of KMFDM and presently a member of Marilyn Manson whose supposed
connection to the Montauk Project explains the fact that the liner notes
cite the song, "Irresponsible Hate Anthem" as being recorded live
February 14th, 1997 although the album this song (first) appears on
("Anti-Christ Superstar") was released in 1996. In other words, the
liner note is not an error. Note that Marilyn Manson did perform this
song live on February 14th, 1997, during a televised awards ceremony!

Had to dig up his post to get the details... 

Message-ID:
<1170440668.463517.128920@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>

He had such an imagination! I miss him dearly! : )

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#54688

In article <bjgvrpFpvr9U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> He had such an imagination! I miss him dearly! : )

Don't we all?  It's been seven years, and he still comes up in
conversation every so often.

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#54640

In article <hs2dnfy-jYd2uU_PnZ2dnUVZ5vadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> > > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could -
> > > in some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or
> > > control.
> >
> > not when the apps are sandboxed.
> >
> > there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period.
> 
> So what?   I never said that one program would access any part of any other
> program.    People keep repeating this point, as if it is a requirement for
> a Trojan.  It is not.
> 
> If a program can behave like a cell phone, and make calls, inspect common
> address book information, open data connections to a remote host, etc,
> plenty of mischief can be done.
> 
> I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not
> have access to other applications.  That gives me little comfort.

it's difficult for an app to do something secret and get past apple,
however, in the event an app does, it's immediately removed from the
store.

there is also a global kill switch to remove an app from all devices if
it's *really* bad. fortunately, apple has not needed to utilize that.

however, google has on numerous occasions killed and removed apps from
android devices.

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#54554

In message <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  W <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:070120141329517838%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>> In article <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>>
>> > And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it
> was
>> > written for a legitimate use?
>>
>> the key is they can't install such software on an ios device. period.
>>
>> > If it is a computer, someone can write a
>> > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape
>> > notice for a long time.
>>
>> not for ios devices, they can't.
>>
>> > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but
>> > certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path inside
> of
>> > hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
>>
>> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
>> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design.

> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what one
> application can do.

> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
> applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to listen in
> to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not have less
> capability than any other application on the phone.

Which means it could do none of those things without you giving it
permission to access your camera, your photos, and your microphone.



-- 
He felt as if he'd been shipwrecked on the Titanic but in the nick of
time had been rescued. By the Lusitania.

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#54614

"Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
news:slrnlcvfj0.2li6.g.kreme@amelia.local...
> In message <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>   W <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:070120141329517838%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> >> In article <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because
it
> > was
> >> > written for a legitimate use?
> >>
> >> the key is they can't install such software on an ios device. period.
> >>
> >> > If it is a computer, someone can write a
> >> > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can
escape
> >> > notice for a long time.
> >>
> >> not for ios devices, they can't.
> >>
> >> > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk,
but
> >> > certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path
inside
> > of
> >> > hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
> >>
> >> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
> >> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design.
>
> > I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what
one
> > application can do.
>
> > Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
> > applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to
listen in
> > to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not have
less
> > capability than any other application on the phone.
>
> Which means it could do none of those things without you giving it
> permission to access your camera, your photos, and your microphone.

Right, and how many people in normal course reject the installation of
applications from the app store that ask for those permissions?

My guess is that 5% of users even read those those requested permissions and
think about them.

-- 
W

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#54615

On 2014-01-12, W <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>
> how many people in normal course reject the installation of
> applications from the app store that ask for those permissions?
>
> My guess is that 5% of users even read those those requested
> permissions and think about them.

I find that hard to believe. I, for once, pay close attention to which
applications are allowed to access my data, and it takes very minimal
effort with iOS, since I am asked very clearly any time any application
wants access to my data. 

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#54626

"Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:bjen0tFb0mgU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 2014-01-12, W <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> >
> > how many people in normal course reject the installation of
> > applications from the app store that ask for those permissions?
> >
> > My guess is that 5% of users even read those those requested
> > permissions and think about them.
>
> I find that hard to believe. I, for once, pay close attention to which
> applications are allowed to access my data, and it takes very minimal
> effort with iOS, since I am asked very clearly any time any application
> wants access to my data.

Your online handle is "Jolly Roger".    I guess you would pay attention. :)

I can barely get most end users to understand the concept of a file system,
or understand how to conceptualize the content of a folder more than one
level off the root.     Most users I know simply look at the permissions
list and hit okay.    They wouldn't understand what they were reading even
if they did read.

It's completely obvious that an application can behave in unwanted ways,
even if that is less likely in a tightly controlled environment.   That
people work so hard to say that bad behavior is *impossible* in IOS is plain
weird.

-- 
W

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#54638

In article <bjen0tFb0mgU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > how many people in normal course reject the installation of
> > applications from the app store that ask for those permissions?
> >
> > My guess is that 5% of users even read those those requested
> > permissions and think about them.
> 
> I find that hard to believe. I, for once, pay close attention to which
> applications are allowed to access my data, and it takes very minimal
> effort with iOS, since I am asked very clearly any time any application
> wants access to my data.

the exact number might not be 5%, but it's without question, very low.

most people just say yes to anything because if they don't, the app
will not function properly or be significantly limited in some way.

some apps will not work at all if a feature it needs is disabled or if
they don't agree to the terms of service, so most people just say yes
to anything.

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#54639

In article <_oedncF8j8a1uE_PnZ2dnUVZ5hqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> > Which means it could do none of those things without you giving it
> > permission to access your camera, your photos, and your microphone.
> 
> Right, and how many people in normal course reject the installation of
> applications from the app store that ask for those permissions?

not many, but if the user consents, it's *their* choice that the app
can access something, not apple's. 

> My guess is that 5% of users even read those those requested permissions and
> think about them.

whatever the exact number is, it's definitely low.

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#54421

On 1/6/14, 12:19 AM, W wrote:
> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
>> In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that -
> with
>>> the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table,
> or
>>> lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is
> made
>>> when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I
> should
>>> be worried about a trojan on my iPad.
>>
>> Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
>> to be any kind of trojan or malware.
>
> No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on an
> iPad, such as:
>
> http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
>
> That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for
> "spy software for ipad".
>
> In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead to
> that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.
>
I wonder if it could be the gyro.  I don't know how it works, but maybe 
the accelerometer turns it off when the iPad is lying at rest, to save 
power.

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#54427

"J Burns" <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ladh16$80u$1@dont-email.me...
> On 1/6/14, 12:19 AM, W wrote:
> > "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> > news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
> >> In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that -
> > with
> >>> the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a
table,
> > or
> >>> lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is
> > made
> >>> when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I
> > should
> >>> be worried about a trojan on my iPad.
> >>
> >> Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
> >> to be any kind of trojan or malware.
> >
> > No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on
an
> > iPad, such as:
> >
> > http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
> >
> > That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for
> > "spy software for ipad".
> >
> > In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead
to
> > that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.
> >
> I wonder if it could be the gyro.  I don't know how it works, but maybe
> the accelerometer turns it off when the iPad is lying at rest, to save
> power.

So going with that idea, what would be happening when I pick up the iPad
that causes the shutter click sound?

-- 
W

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#54430

On 1/6/14, 3:25 AM, W wrote:
> "J Burns" <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ladh16$80u$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 1/6/14, 12:19 AM, W wrote:
>>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
>>> news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
>>>> In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that -
>>> with
>>>>> the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a
> table,
>>> or
>>>>> lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is
>>> made
>>>>> when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I
>>> should
>>>>> be worried about a trojan on my iPad.
>>>>
>>>> Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
>>>> to be any kind of trojan or malware.
>>>
>>> No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on
> an
>>> iPad, such as:
>>>
>>> http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
>>>
>>> That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for
>>> "spy software for ipad".
>>>
>>> In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead
> to
>>> that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.
>>>
>> I wonder if it could be the gyro.  I don't know how it works, but maybe
>> the accelerometer turns it off when the iPad is lying at rest, to save
>> power.
>
> So going with that idea, what would be happening when I pick up the iPad
> that causes the shutter click sound?
>
The accelerometer would start the gyro.

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#54452

"J Burns" <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ladvg6$7hd$1@dont-email.me...
> On 1/6/14, 3:25 AM, W wrote:
> > "J Burns" <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:ladh16$80u$1@dont-email.me...
> >> On 1/6/14, 12:19 AM, W wrote:
> >>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
> >>>> In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that -
> >>> with
> >>>>> the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a
> > table,
> >>> or
> >>>>> lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that
is
> >>> made
> >>>>> when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I
> >>> should
> >>>>> be worried about a trojan on my iPad.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely*
unlikely
> >>>> to be any kind of trojan or malware.
> >>>
> >>> No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in
on
> > an
> >>> iPad, such as:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
> >>>
> >>> That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search
for
> >>> "spy software for ipad".
> >>>
> >>> In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead
> > to
> >>> that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.
> >>>
> >> I wonder if it could be the gyro.  I don't know how it works, but maybe
> >> the accelerometer turns it off when the iPad is lying at rest, to save
> >> power.
> >
> > So going with that idea, what would be happening when I pick up the iPad
> > that causes the shutter click sound?
> >
> The accelerometer would start the gyro.

Is your assumption that every time the gyro is activated on an iPad that it
makes the shutter click sound?

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W

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#54456

On 1/6/14, 2:57 PM, W wrote:
> "J Burns" <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ladvg6$7hd$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 1/6/14, 3:25 AM, W wrote:
>>> "J Burns" <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ladh16$80u$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 1/6/14, 12:19 AM, W wrote:
>>>>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
>>>>>> In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that -
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a
>>> table,
>>>>> or
>>>>>>> lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that
> is
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I
>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be worried about a trojan on my iPad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely*
> unlikely
>>>>>> to be any kind of trojan or malware.
>>>>>
>>>>> No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in
> on
>>> an
>>>>> iPad, such as:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
>>>>>
>>>>> That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search
> for
>>>>> "spy software for ipad".
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead
>>> to
>>>>> that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.
>>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it could be the gyro.  I don't know how it works, but maybe
>>>> the accelerometer turns it off when the iPad is lying at rest, to save
>>>> power.
>>>
>>> So going with that idea, what would be happening when I pick up the iPad
>>> that causes the shutter click sound?
>>>
>> The accelerometer would start the gyro.
>
> Is your assumption that every time the gyro is activated on an iPad that it
> makes the shutter click sound?
>
It's a guess.

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#54438

In article <ladh16$80u$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns  <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 1/6/14, 12:19 AM, W wrote:
> I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that -
> with
> the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table,
> or
> lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is
> made
> when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I
> should
> be worried about a trojan on my iPad.
>

Mine pings when I get an email.

I've been trying to figure out how to turn that off.

It seems to happen even when the thing is muted...

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