Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound
Date	2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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In article <rtmdndV0Bv3Aw0_PnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> > > I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not
> > > have access to other applications.  That gives me little comfort.
> >
> > If it can't access other applications and data from other applications,
> > then it can't do any of that.  It's that simple.
> 
> Say the application is a chat application.   Why couldn't it open up the
> microphone and listen to sounds in the room around the iPad? 

it could, but it will ask the user if it wants to use the microphone,
and it can only access the microphone when running in the foreground
anyway. 

what it *can't* do is access the microphone at random times.

> Why couldn't
> it sense when the iPad is activated and take photos?  

it could, but the user would notice it.  

> Why couldn't it
> browse allowed parts of the file system?  

the only allowed parts are the app's own sandbox. 

that's relatively boring. the good stuff is elsewhere, out of reach.

> If the application has Internet
> access it could establish an outgoing connection to a control channel, and
> then someone on the other end could use that connection to direct the
> actions of the application.

that's a bit of a stretch but the user would have to run the app for
that to even happen. 

when the user isn't running the app, there's nothing the other end
could do.

plus, the user would notice something odd happening anyway.

> No, that's not as bad as a rootkit virus on a desktop operating system.
> But it is intrusive.

it's also tinfoil hat material.

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iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 19:16 -0800
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 19:25 -0800
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:27 +1300
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 21:19 -0800
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 21:53 -0800
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 18:54 +1300
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:28 -0800
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 09:09 +1300
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:45 -0800
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-09 11:54 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:01 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-09 22:06 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:12 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-12 19:10 +1300
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-10 15:39 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:15 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-11 23:20 -0700
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:20 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-11 22:33 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 00:14 -0700
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 22:03 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 18:19 -0700
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-13 02:03 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 21:56 -0700
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-10 09:33 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:16 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 05:20 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:23 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 01:04 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:25 -0800
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 05:11 -0500
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 11:57 -0800
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:26 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 13:06 +0000
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 16:12 +0000
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 16:29 +0000
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 12:11 +0000
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 12:02 -0800
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2014-01-06 19:53 -0500
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-07 17:06 -0500
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 18:50 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-08 06:03 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:50 -0800
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-09 18:54 +0000
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:02 -0800
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 03:27 +0000

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