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| Started by | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| First post | 2013-12-04 16:24 -0500 |
| Last post | 2013-12-19 18:59 +1300 |
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Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-04 16:24 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-04 16:38 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-05 11:01 +1100
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-04 23:38 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Mike Lane <mike.lane.usenet@ntlworld.co.uk> - 2013-12-05 13:21 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 11:29 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 09:01 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-05 05:21 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 09:07 +1100
Re: Why not NiMH? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-05 18:42 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 11:57 +1100
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 18:34 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 17:08 +1100
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 19:19 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 20:14 +1100
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 13:30 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 12:00 +1100
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 18:24 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-05 19:50 -0600
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 15:11 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 16:15 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-04 19:59 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-12-04 22:09 -0600
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-04 23:38 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 00:54 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 00:59 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 02:22 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 02:44 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 03:36 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-05 04:21 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 11:29 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 16:24 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-05 18:37 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 14:19 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-05 13:31 -0600
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 09:07 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 14:36 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-05 22:02 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 13:26 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-06 00:33 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 18:36 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-06 21:22 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-07 11:49 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-07 00:11 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-07 18:07 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-07 08:37 -0600
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-08 09:52 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-05 19:49 -0600
Re: Why not NiMH? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-05 21:55 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 18:40 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-06 21:24 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-07 11:49 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-06 18:43 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-07 08:32 -0600
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-08 09:50 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-07 15:50 -0600
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-08 14:04 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-07 21:02 -0600
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-08 17:45 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-06 17:48 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-06 21:25 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-05 05:33 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-05 18:35 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? Zar Zifodow <zarzifodow@mailinator.com> - 2013-12-04 20:14 -0800
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-04 23:38 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-04 20:46 -0800
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 02:22 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 02:44 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-12-04 23:08 -0800
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 03:08 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 11:29 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-05 14:15 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 12:43 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 12:54 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-12-05 22:44 -0800
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-06 13:19 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-12-06 22:35 +0000
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-07 02:27 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-08 00:10 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-14 18:57 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-12-17 12:04 -0500
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-18 09:27 +1300
Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-19 18:59 +1300
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 16:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <051220131615252620%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #52989 |
In article <l7qmld$f0n$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > > How about this: make so it can be removed easily and a spare one > > carried. Like with some cameras. > > > My first camera used 4 AAs. I got NiMH because they were recommended. > That's when I found out the NiMH of that time were quirky; I never knew > how long a set of batteries would supply the surge the camera needed. > It didn't matter because I had 4 spares in my pocket. > > My next one used lithium. It may be 10 years old, but the original > battery still works. There has never been much warning that I needed a > recharge, and it takes five hours or so. so lithium batteries aren't as crappy as you claim. what a surprise that is.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-04 19:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l7oj51$k05$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52946 |
On 12/4/13 4:38 PM, nospam wrote: > > you aren't actually suggesting making a laptop to run on a bunch of aa > eneloops, are you? You caught me. I'll admit it. That's what I was suggesting. > > right now, a macbook air can get as much as 15 hours of run time on one > charge, all in a 2 pound laptop. there's no need to worry about running > low. > > using aa batteries would be more than twice the bulk, ridiculously > inconvenient and probably not that much cheaper, if it is at all. > Apple says ideally you might get 5 years or 1,000 cycles from a lithium battery. Then you have the problem of getting it to an Apple center, where they will charge $130 - $200. You'd need 6 Eneloops and 6 more to swap, for about $36. They'd have about 2,000mah, compared to 5400 for a lithium battery. If you had battery trouble, you could buy new ones without travel, downtime, or much expense. Apple says a battery will last the most years if you discharge it about 50% each day and recharge. What a hassle! If you leave it plugged in, or unplug it and leave it charged, capacity will decline. If you leave it discharged, you may be unable to recharge it. A desktop would almost always suit my needs. With a detachable battery pack, a laptop could be used as a desktop without impairing battery performance. A laptop might be nice in a power failure or for occasional portability. If I ran a lithium battery down in a power failure, I'd be out of luck. My NiMH charger uses a 12V wall wart, which means I could hook it to a car battery to provide charged cells to run a laptop indefinitely. And NiMH cells don't seem to catch fire or bulge.
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| From | Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-04 22:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <l7ou9o$4oa$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52950 |
On 12/4/13, 6:59 PM, J Burns wrote: > > A laptop might be nice in a power failure or for occasional portability. > If I ran a lithium battery down in a power failure, I'd be out of > luck. My NiMH charger uses a 12V wall wart, which means I could hook it > to a car battery to provide charged cells to run a laptop indefinitely. > My laptop works just great in a power failure. Problem is, my wifi and DSL don't! Ted
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-04 23:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <041220132338196759%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #52953 |
In article <l7ou9o$4oa$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> wrote: > My laptop works just great in a power failure. > Problem is, my wifi and DSL don't! they will if you put them on a backup ups and the power outage didn't affect the phone company.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 00:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52953 |
On 12/4/13 11:09 PM, Ted Lee wrote: > On 12/4/13, 6:59 PM, J Burns wrote: >> >> A laptop might be nice in a power failure or for occasional portability. >> If I ran a lithium battery down in a power failure, I'd be out of >> luck. My NiMH charger uses a 12V wall wart, which means I could hook it >> to a car battery to provide charged cells to run a laptop indefinitely. >> > > My laptop works just great in a power failure. > Problem is, my wifi and DSL don't! > > Ted My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of course comp.sys.mac.system.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 00:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <051220130059047435%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #52959 |
In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I > bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put > connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the > other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is > out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of > course comp.sys.mac.system. or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 02:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l7p9ja$gb7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52960 |
On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote: > In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> > wrote: > >> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I >> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put >> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the >> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is >> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of >> course comp.sys.mac.system. > > or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. > Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. The run time is usually minutes. My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all the phone time I wanted in power failures.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 02:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <051220130244035404%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #52962 |
In article <l7p9ja$gb7$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I > >> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put > >> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the > >> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is > >> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of > >> course comp.sys.mac.system. > > > > or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. > > Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. usually it's much more. mine have lasted about 4-5 years before they had degraded to not being all that useful. > The run time is > usually minutes. only if you bought an underpowered ups. you do realize they have various models with various capacities, right? > My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all > the phone time I wanted in power failures. that's unusually long for a car battery. most people get around half that.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 03:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l7pduv$3h3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52964 |
On 12/5/13 2:44 AM, nospam wrote: > In article <l7p9ja$gb7$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> > wrote: > >>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I >>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put >>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the >>>> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is >>>> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of >>>> course comp.sys.mac.system. >>> >>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. >> >> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. > > usually it's much more. > > mine have lasted about 4-5 years before they had degraded to not being > all that useful. > >> The run time is >> usually minutes. > > only if you bought an underpowered ups. > > you do realize they have various models with various capacities, right? If I spent $170, I could get 300 watts for 14 minutes. Is that underpowered? > >> My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all >> the phone time I wanted in power failures. > > that's unusually long for a car battery. most people get around half > that. > Oh, I didn't get 13 years. I got only 11. A neighbor threw it away after two years because it was a 2-year battery and it quit working. I cleaned up the PbSO4 and kept it cleaned up, and it kept starting my car.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 04:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52a0457f$0$46470$c3e8da3$a9097924@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #52967 |
In a race for thinner and lighter laptops, where every mm of thickness counts and every gramm of weight counts, Li-Ion batteries win over NiMh in terms of power density and weight. Li-Ion also wins in delivering large amount of power where NiMh are not as good. This is one reason that when a 787 lands, the electric brakes run off Li-Ion batteries and not older NiMh. (Those batteries are really mission critical which is why the 787 was grounded when faults were found with those batteries). NiMh are safer and require less circuitry. Li-Ion are dangerous and require protection circuit in the battery, and proper logic for charging separate from battery. NiMh do not catch on fire or explode, but can cause fires if there is a short circuit. Li-Ion can catch fire and explode with hot flammable liquid being splashing everywhere as the container fails and the high pressure inside (due to heat). lets go. However, experience with various formulations of Li-Ion has improved over the years and protection circuitry now enough to almost eliminate the problems. (the 787 designs were quite a few years old and predated the consumer battery problems which saw changes to improve safety).
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 11:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <051220131129574963%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #52967 |
In article <l7pduv$3h3$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> The run time is > >> usually minutes. > > > > only if you bought an underpowered ups. > > > > you do realize they have various models with various capacities, right? > > If I spent $170, I could get 300 watts for 14 minutes. Is that > underpowered? it is if you want more than 14 minutes run time and i think you are overpaying. they do make higher capacity backup systems, including ones that can power an entire house or building. > >> My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all > >> the phone time I wanted in power failures. > > > > that's unusually long for a car battery. most people get around half > > that. > > > Oh, I didn't get 13 years. I got only 11. A neighbor threw it away > after two years because it was a 2-year battery and it quit working. I > cleaned up the PbSO4 and kept it cleaned up, and it kept starting my car. assuming it's even true, it's unusually long.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 16:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l7qquf$aid$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52967 |
On 12/5/13 3:36 AM, J Burns wrote: > On 12/5/13 2:44 AM, nospam wrote: >> >>> My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all >>> the phone time I wanted in power failures. >> >> that's unusually long for a car battery. most people get around half >> that. >> > Oh, I didn't get 13 years. I got only 11. A neighbor threw it away > after two years because it was a 2-year battery and it quit working. I > cleaned up the PbSO4 and kept it cleaned up, and it kept starting my car. It was from a neighbor's second car, an old economy car he used for errands. I figured if it went bad in two years of short trips, it was probably an accumulation of PbSO4 from undercharging. Short trips may not keep a battery charged, especially if there's resistance at a connection, especially in winter. I figured the process of PbSO4 hardening and flaking might not have progressed very far. My charger was unregulated, but a neighbor was throwing out a regulated charger that had bad cables and clamps. I didn't know it, but that charger uses pulses. A DC trickle charge will remove a lot of PBSO4, but it can damage a battery by depositing something on the plates.... I don't remember what. Pulsing avoids that. I used the car for short trips, which meant the battery wasn't subjected to much heat, vibration, or extended DC charging. Periodically, I'd put it on the pulse charger overnight. I was amazed that it cranked my engine so many years.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 18:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bgbvg4Fg4nsU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #52962 |
On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote: >> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> >> wrote: >> >>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I >>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put >>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the >>> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is >>> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of >>> course comp.sys.mac.system. >> >> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. >> > Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. The run time is > usually minutes. My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all > the phone time I wanted in power failures. Uh huh... The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain when making purchasing decisions, eh? BTW, I can run my Mac Pro for a full 30 minutes during power outages before running out of juice, and my internet connectivity is unafected by outages, all thanks to a UPS. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 14:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l7qjks$rd2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52983 |
On 12/5/13 1:37 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: >> On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote: >>> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I >>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put >>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the >>>> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is >>>> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of >>>> course comp.sys.mac.system. >>> >>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. >>> >> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. The run time is >> usually minutes. My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all >> the phone time I wanted in power failures. > > Uh huh... > > The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS > units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain > when making purchasing decisions, eh? Robert Sember, in charge of Electrical Construction and Maintenance at Eaton Corp., says the standard expectancy is 3-5 years. When capacity drops to 80%, deterioration accelerates. I'm with you on this one. It wouldn't make sense to buy a UPS just to get online a few minutes in an occasional power failure. > > BTW, I can run my Mac Pro for a full 30 minutes during power outages before > running out of juice, and my internet connectivity is unafected by > outages, all thanks to a UPS. > Around here, outages are likely to last from 4 hours to 4 days. It looks like my best choice would be to get one of those laptops everyone keeps throwing away. I could mess around with the built-in LiPo, but it might be in poor shape by the time I needed it. Wikipedia says the best NiMH batteries these days have the same energy density as LiPo (energy per volume). (In terms of weight, the best NiMH have energy similar to the worst LiPo.) Sanyo says they'll have 70% of their charge after 5 years on the shelf, and apparently they'll still be in good condition for recharge.
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| From | George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 13:31 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <CEC630C2.A4E0B%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #52984 |
On 12/5/13 1:19 PM, in article l7qjks$rd2$1@dont-email.me, "J Burns" <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 12/5/13 1:37 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote: >>>> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I >>>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put >>>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the >>>>> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is >>>>> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of >>>>> course comp.sys.mac.system. >>>> >>>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. >>>> >>> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. The run time is >>> usually minutes. My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all >>> the phone time I wanted in power failures. >> >> Uh huh... >> >> The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS >> units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain >> when making purchasing decisions, eh? > > Robert Sember, in charge of Electrical Construction and Maintenance at > Eaton Corp., says the standard expectancy is 3-5 years. When capacity > drops to 80%, deterioration accelerates. > > I'm with you on this one. It wouldn't make sense to buy a UPS just to > get online a few minutes in an occasional power failure. >> >> BTW, I can run my Mac Pro for a full 30 minutes during power outages before >> running out of juice, and my internet connectivity is unafected by >> outages, all thanks to a UPS. >> > Around here, outages are likely to last from 4 hours to 4 days. > Sounds like you need a backup generator in that case. Can't imagine being without power for those lengths of time. Your freezer would spoil your food and depending on your latitude, your HVAC system failure would make it quite uncomfortable. They would run you ~ $4 to $5 K installed. IMHO, well worth the price.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-06 09:07 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <061220130907184821%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52985 |
In article <CEC630C2.A4E0B%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: > On 12/5/13 1:19 PM, in article l7qjks$rd2$1@dont-email.me, "J Burns" > <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > > > On 12/5/13 1:37 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>> On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote: > >>>> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I > >>>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put > >>>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the > >>>>> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is > >>>>> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of > >>>>> course comp.sys.mac.system. > >>>> > >>>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. > >>>> > >>> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. The run time is > >>> usually minutes. My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all > >>> the phone time I wanted in power failures. > >> > >> Uh huh... > >> > >> The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS > >> units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain > >> when making purchasing decisions, eh? > > > > Robert Sember, in charge of Electrical Construction and Maintenance at > > Eaton Corp., says the standard expectancy is 3-5 years. When capacity > > drops to 80%, deterioration accelerates. > > > > I'm with you on this one. It wouldn't make sense to buy a UPS just to > > get online a few minutes in an occasional power failure. > >> > >> BTW, I can run my Mac Pro for a full 30 minutes during power outages before > >> running out of juice, and my internet connectivity is unafected by > >> outages, all thanks to a UPS. > >> > > Around here, outages are likely to last from 4 hours to 4 days. > > Sounds like you need a backup generator in that case. Can't imagine being > without power for those lengths of time. Your freezer would spoil your food > and depending on your latitude, your HVAC system failure would make it quite > uncomfortable. They would run you ~ $4 to $5 K installed. IMHO, well worth > the price. Yep, a petrol / diesel generator, or a solar / wind / water power system, or a power system that uses gases from your rubbish heap, or any one of nuerous other home power systems ... or even just move to a more sensible area with more reliable power.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 14:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <051220131436598273%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #52984 |
In article <l7qjks$rd2$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > Around here, outages are likely to last from 4 hours to 4 days. It > looks like my best choice would be to get one of those laptops everyone > keeps throwing away. I could mess around with the built-in LiPo, but it > might be in poor shape by the time I needed it. if you have 4 day outages, then there are *far* more important things to worry about than getting online with a laptop, such as food, heat, medical devices for people who might need them, etc. and nobody is throwing away laptops either. more bullshit.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-05 22:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #52984 |
On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 12/5/13 1:37 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote: >>>> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I >>>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put >>>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the >>>>> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is >>>>> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of >>>>> course comp.sys.mac.system. >>>> >>>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. >>>> >>> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. The run time is >>> usually minutes. My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all >>> the phone time I wanted in power failures. >> >> Uh huh... >> >> The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS >> units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain >> when making purchasing decisions, eh? > > Robert Sember, in charge of Electrical Construction and Maintenance at > Eaton Corp., says the standard expectancy is 3-5 years. When capacity > drops to 80%, deterioration accelerates. > > I'm with you on this one. It wouldn't make sense to buy a UPS just to > get online a few minutes in an occasional power failure. That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually important to be able to stay online and continue computing during outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed a viable option for many of us. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-06 13:26 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <061220131326165738%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52996 |
In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > > On 12/5/13 1:37 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>> On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote: > >>>> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC. When I went to VOIP, I > >>>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive. I put > >>>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the > >>>>> other for my car battery. Now I have phone service when the power is > >>>>> out. If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of > >>>>> course comp.sys.mac.system. > >>>> > >>>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices. > >>>> > >>> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries. The run time is > >>> usually minutes. My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all > >>> the phone time I wanted in power failures. > >> > >> Uh huh... > >> > >> The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS > >> units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain > >> when making purchasing decisions, eh? > > > > Robert Sember, in charge of Electrical Construction and Maintenance at > > Eaton Corp., says the standard expectancy is 3-5 years. When capacity > > drops to 80%, deterioration accelerates. > > > > I'm with you on this one. It wouldn't make sense to buy a UPS just to > > get online a few minutes in an occasional power failure. > > That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually > important to be able to stay online and continue computing during > outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed > a viable option for many of us. Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either and your Internet won't be working anyway.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-06 00:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bgckagFkg3mU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #53005 |
On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually >> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during >> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed >> a viable option for many of us. > > Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which > likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either > and your Internet won't be working anyway. Heh... Apparently you've never heard of cable internet providers. Nope, through every single power outage I have had during the past two years at this location, my internet connectivity was not interrupted, as long as my modem, router, and switches remain powered, thanks to my UPS. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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