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  More paranoia Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-24 22:26 -0500
    Re: More paranoia Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-25 01:56 -0500
      Re: More paranoia jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-25 20:29 +1300
        Re: More paranoia gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-25 08:59 -0800
          Re: More paranoia jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-26 07:38 +1300
    Re: More paranoia Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-25 18:10 -0500
      Re: More paranoia John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-11-26 08:29 -0800
        Re: More paranoia Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-26 17:04 +0000
          Re: More paranoia John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-11-26 09:28 -0800
            Re: More paranoia Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-26 18:21 +0000
              Re: More paranoia John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-11-29 15:57 -0800
                Re: More paranoia Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-30 01:18 +0000
                  Re: More paranoia Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-30 01:26 +0000
            Re: More paranoia Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-26 18:13 -0500
        Re: More paranoia Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-26 22:27 +0000
        Re: More paranoia Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-26 18:10 -0500
    Re: More paranoia Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-25 18:12 -0500

#52628 — More paranoia

Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:

http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3


-- 
Wes Groleau

   “Isn't embarrassing to quote something you didn't read
    and then attack what it didn't say?”

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#52635

Wes Groleau:

> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3

Spies have been doing that for many years, or so I'm told. But an
unmodified ("un-Tempested") keyboard has sufficient RF emissions that
one can frequently read what is being typed at a considerable distance
without need for planted devices.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#52637

Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Wes Groleau:
> 
> > Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
> 
> Spies have been doing that for many years, or so I'm told. But an
> unmodified ("un-Tempested") keyboard has sufficient RF emissions that
> one can frequently read what is being typed at a considerable distance
> without need for planted devices.

Yeah, people were doing this decades ago, and it was even used as a plot
device in many a TV show and film back in the day. It has lost it's
popularity as a plot device in recent times, for some reason.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52645

On 2013-11-25 07:29:14 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:

> Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> 
>> Wes Groleau:
>> 
>>> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
>> 
>> Spies have been doing that for many years, or so I'm told. But an
>> unmodified ("un-Tempested") keyboard has sufficient RF emissions that
>> one can frequently read what is being typed at a considerable distance
>> without need for planted devices.
> 
> Yeah, people were doing this decades ago, and it was even used as a plot
> device in many a TV show and film back in the day. It has lost it's
> popularity as a plot device in recent times, for some reason.

It's become to "average".

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#52652

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2013-11-25 07:29:14 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:
> 
> > Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> Wes Groleau:
> >> 
> >>> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
> >>> 
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
> >> 
> >> Spies have been doing that for many years, or so I'm told. But an
> >> unmodified ("un-Tempested") keyboard has sufficient RF emissions that
> >> one can frequently read what is being typed at a considerable distance
> >> without need for planted devices.
> > 
> > Yeah, people were doing this decades ago, and it was even used as a plot
> > device in many a TV show and film back in the day. It has lost it's
> > popularity as a plot device in recent times, for some reason.
> 
> It's become to "average".

Watching some of the crap in films like Die Hard 4 I wish more realistic
technological intrigue would return.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52658

On 2013.11.24, 22:26 , Wes Groleau wrote:
> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3

I nearly posted the same paper yesterday (in the Sec Scare thread) but 
let it go as a distraction.

-- 
"The radio was once expected to promote international understanding and 
co-operation;
it has turned out to be a means of insulating one nation from another."
                                                  -George Orwell, 1945

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#52700

On 11/25/13   PDT, 3:10 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2013.11.24, 22:26 , Wes Groleau wrote:
>> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
>
> I nearly posted the same paper yesterday (in the Sec Scare thread) but
> let it go as a distraction.

The above tiny URL which unfolds as:
<http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tygar/papers/Keyboard_Acoustic_Emanations_Revisited/tiss.preprint.pdf>

Opens to a blank grey slate. I am able to download it- at 0 bytes!- to a 
fake PDF that won't open in Acrobat. This isn't the first grey page I've 
gotten on PDF links, but the first that won't open after downloading.

Anyone know the cause and cure? Or just the cure?

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#52701

On 2013-11-26, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 11/25/13   PDT, 3:10 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2013.11.24, 22:26 , Wes Groleau wrote:
>>> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
>>
>> I nearly posted the same paper yesterday (in the Sec Scare thread) but
>> let it go as a distraction.
>
> The above tiny URL which unfolds as:
><http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tygar/papers/Keyboard_Acoustic_Emanations_Revisited/tiss.preprint.pdf>
>
> Opens to a blank grey slate. I am able to download it- at 0 bytes!- to a 
> fake PDF that won't open in Acrobat. This isn't the first grey page I've 
> gotten on PDF links, but the first that won't open after downloading.

Works just fine here. The PDF seems fine.

> Anyone know the cause and cure? Or just the cure?

If the PDF document is opening / displaying right within the web
browser, I would try it with another web browser.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#52703

On 11/26/13   PDT, 9:04 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2013-11-26, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 11/25/13   PDT, 3:10 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2013.11.24, 22:26 , Wes Groleau wrote:
>>>> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
>>>
>>> I nearly posted the same paper yesterday (in the Sec Scare thread) but
>>> let it go as a distraction.
>>
>> The above tiny URL which unfolds as:
>> <http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tygar/papers/Keyboard_Acoustic_Emanations_Revisited/tiss.preprint.pdf>
>>
>> Opens to a blank grey slate. I am able to download it- at 0 bytes!- to a
>> fake PDF that won't open in Acrobat. This isn't the first grey page I've
>> gotten on PDF links, but the first that won't open after downloading.
>
> Works just fine here. The PDF seems fine.
>
>> Anyone know the cause and cure? Or just the cure?
>
> If the PDF document is opening / displaying right within the web
> browser, I would try it with another web browser.

Yes, but I'd like to get Safari back to where it should be. And the PDF 
is "opening" to a solid grey page. Works fine in Chrome, for starters, 
and can download the ducument as well.

This has happened a half dozen times in the last month, and I'd like to 
keep Safari as my default browser and thus click links to take me to 
such sites without problems.

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#52706

On 2013-11-26, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 11/26/13   PDT, 9:04 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> If the PDF document is opening / displaying right within the web
>> browser, I would try it with another web browser.
>
> Yes, but I'd like to get Safari back to where it should be. And the PDF 
> is "opening" to a solid grey page. Works fine in Chrome, for starters, 
> and can download the ducument as well.
>
> This has happened a half dozen times in the last month, and I'd like to 
> keep Safari as my default browser and thus click links to take me to 
> such sites without problems.

It's probably a malfunction of one of the Safari extensions or internet
plugins you have installed. Try disabling extensions to see if that
solves the issue. If not, I would look for potential culprits in 
/Library/Internet Plug-Ins.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#52865

On 11/26/13   PDT, 10:21 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2013-11-26, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 11/26/13   PDT, 9:04 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> If the PDF document is opening / displaying right within the web
>>> browser, I would try it with another web browser.
>>
>> Yes, but I'd like to get Safari back to where it should be. And the PDF
>> is "opening" to a solid grey page. Works fine in Chrome, for starters,
>> and can download the ducument as well.
>>
>> This has happened a half dozen times in the last month, and I'd like to
>> keep Safari as my default browser and thus click links to take me to
>> such sites without problems.
>
> It's probably a malfunction of one of the Safari extensions or internet
> plugins you have installed. Try disabling extensions to see if that
> solves the issue. If not, I would look for potential culprits in
> /Library/Internet Plug-Ins.

Done and done. One of the Plug-Ins, not an extension. Took out likely 
suspects and the PDF, she pops up just fine.

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#52866

On 2013-11-29, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 11/26/13   PDT, 10:21 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2013-11-26, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/26/13   PDT, 9:04 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If the PDF document is opening / displaying right within the web
>>>> browser, I would try it with another web browser.
>>>
>>> Yes, but I'd like to get Safari back to where it should be. And the PDF
>>> is "opening" to a solid grey page. Works fine in Chrome, for starters,
>>> and can download the ducument as well.
>>>
>>> This has happened a half dozen times in the last month, and I'd like to
>>> keep Safari as my default browser and thus click links to take me to
>>> such sites without problems.
>>
>> It's probably a malfunction of one of the Safari extensions or internet
>> plugins you have installed. Try disabling extensions to see if that
>> solves the issue. If not, I would look for potential culprits in
>> /Library/Internet Plug-Ins.
>
> Done and done. One of the Plug-Ins, not an extension. Took out likely 
> suspects and the PDF, she pops up just fine.

Excellent. I haven't had to resort to this in some time (knock on wood -
or is it "jinx!"?), but am glad to know it still does the trick for some
cases.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#52867

In message <bfssmmFang5U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2013-11-29, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 11/26/13   PDT, 10:21 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2013-11-26, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/13   PDT, 9:04 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If the PDF document is opening / displaying right within the web
>>>>> browser, I would try it with another web browser.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but I'd like to get Safari back to where it should be. And the PDF
>>>> is "opening" to a solid grey page. Works fine in Chrome, for starters,
>>>> and can download the ducument as well.
>>>>
>>>> This has happened a half dozen times in the last month, and I'd like to
>>>> keep Safari as my default browser and thus click links to take me to
>>>> such sites without problems.
>>>
>>> It's probably a malfunction of one of the Safari extensions or internet
>>> plugins you have installed. Try disabling extensions to see if that
>>> solves the issue. If not, I would look for potential culprits in
>>> /Library/Internet Plug-Ins.
>>
>> Done and done. One of the Plug-Ins, not an extension. Took out likely 
>> suspects and the PDF, she pops up just fine.

> Excellent. I haven't had to resort to this in some time (knock on wood -
> or is it "jinx!"?), but am glad to know it still does the trick for some
> cases.

The only extensions I use in Safari now are Adblock and 1Password. I
used to have a neat one that let me search by just starting to type, but
I seem to have mislaid it. I used UserCSS heavily for a time, but things
started to break, so I removed it.

-- 
Looking into Granny's eyes was like looking into a mirror. What you saw
looking back at you was yourself, and there was no hiding place.

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#52726

On 2013.11.26, 12:28 , John McWilliams wrote:
> On 11/26/13   PDT, 9:04 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2013-11-26, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/25/13   PDT, 3:10 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2013.11.24, 22:26 , Wes Groleau wrote:
>>>>> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
>>>>
>>>> I nearly posted the same paper yesterday (in the Sec Scare thread) but
>>>> let it go as a distraction.
>>>
>>> The above tiny URL which unfolds as:
>>> <http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tygar/papers/Keyboard_Acoustic_Emanations_Revisited/tiss.preprint.pdf>
>>>
>>>
>>> Opens to a blank grey slate. I am able to download it- at 0 bytes!- to a
>>> fake PDF that won't open in Acrobat. This isn't the first grey page I've
>>> gotten on PDF links, but the first that won't open after downloading.
>>
>> Works just fine here. The PDF seems fine.
>>
>>> Anyone know the cause and cure? Or just the cure?
>>
>> If the PDF document is opening / displaying right within the web
>> browser, I would try it with another web browser.
>
> Yes, but I'd like to get Safari back to where it should be. And the PDF
> is "opening" to a solid grey page. Works fine in Chrome, for starters,
> and can download the ducument as well.
>
> This has happened a half dozen times in the last month, and I'd like to
> keep Safari as my default browser and thus click links to take me to
> such sites without problems.

I use Chrome as default but occasionally use Safari.

On the page above I got a "Safari blocked this..." but it gave me the 
option to trust it.  I hit that and it loaded properly.  The issue may 
be in your Safari settings somewhere.

-- 
"The radio was once expected to promote international understanding and 
co-operation;
it has turned out to be a means of insulating one nation from another."
                                                  -George Orwell, 1945

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#52724

In message <l72i9a$mpm$1@dont-email.me> 
  John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 11/25/13   PDT, 3:10 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2013.11.24, 22:26 , Wes Groleau wrote:
>>> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
>>
>> I nearly posted the same paper yesterday (in the Sec Scare thread) but
>> let it go as a distraction.

> The above tiny URL which unfolds as:
> <http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tygar/papers/Keyboard_Acoustic_Emanations_Revisited/tiss.preprint.pdf>

> Opens to a blank grey slate. I am able to download it- at 0 bytes!- to a 
> fake PDF that won't open in Acrobat. This isn't the first grey page I've 
> gotten on PDF links, but the first that won't open after downloading.

Worked fine here in Safari.

-- 
The quality of our thoughts and ideas can only be as good as the quality
of our language.

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#52725

On 2013.11.26, 11:29 , John McWilliams wrote:
> On 11/25/13   PDT, 3:10 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2013.11.24, 22:26 , Wes Groleau wrote:
>>> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3
>>
>> I nearly posted the same paper yesterday (in the Sec Scare thread) but
>> let it go as a distraction.
>
> The above tiny URL which unfolds as:
> <http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tygar/papers/Keyboard_Acoustic_Emanations_Revisited/tiss.preprint.pdf>
>
>
> Opens to a blank grey slate. I am able to download it- at 0 bytes!- to a
> fake PDF that won't open in Acrobat. This isn't the first grey page I've
> gotten on PDF links, but the first that won't open after downloading.

No issue here.


-- 
"The radio was once expected to promote international understanding and 
co-operation;
it has turned out to be a means of insulating one nation from another."
                                                  -George Orwell, 1945

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#52659

On 2013.11.24, 22:26 , Wes Groleau wrote:
> Figuring out what you typed by the sounds of the keys:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/q7qu3y3

And then of course... (a bit dated ... OTOH my wireless keyboard is a 
few years old (Logitech)).

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/12/wireless-keyboard-encryption-easily-broken-say-researchers/

-- 
"The radio was once expected to promote international understanding and 
co-operation;
it has turned out to be a means of insulating one nation from another."
                                                  -George Orwell, 1945

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