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  iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-06 17:46 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-06 21:54 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-06 20:33 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-06 20:47 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:05 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:26 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 06:05 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:20 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-08 00:08 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 20:40 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-07 13:20 +1200
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-07 10:48 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 12:34 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 12:58 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-08 14:30 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-08 17:18 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:19 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-06 23:21 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:15 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 09:24 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:29 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:26 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 05:41 +0000
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:11 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 06:22 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:31 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 08:28 +0200
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 09:19 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:30 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:15 +0000
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-08 08:11 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2012-08-07 18:26 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 00:26 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 00:31 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 20:16 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-08 12:28 +1200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:13 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:16 +0200
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-09 02:56 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 09:46 -0400
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 10:35 -0400
                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 12:41 -0400
                      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 14:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 14:57 -0400
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 16:25 -0400
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:51 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 18:34 -0600
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 20:41 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:14 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-08 01:49 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:29 +0000
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:14 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:25 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-09 02:57 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jeff N <jeff+no.spam@jnadeau.com> - 2012-08-07 00:01 -0700
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 03:48 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:49 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 21:52 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 17:33 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-07 16:44 -0500
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-07 18:09 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 18:33 -0400
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-07 19:26 -0400
                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-07 19:19 -0500
                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 21:07 -0400
                      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 11:14 -0400
                        Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-08 13:11 -0400
                          Re: iCloud Hacked Article me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-09 04:56 +0000
                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-08 21:48 +0000
                      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:50 -0400
                        Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:15 -0400
                          Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-08 20:16 -0500
                          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:22 -0400
                      Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 07:03 -0400
                        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 10:57 -0400
                          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 12:29 -0400
                            Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:50 -0500
                              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:53 -0400
                                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-11 20:18 -0500
                                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-11 21:44 -0400
                                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-11 23:35 -0400
                          Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 19:00 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:19 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 23:06 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:26 +0200
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 10:59 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 16:27 -0400
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:29 -0400
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:25 -0400
                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 13:30 -0400
                      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 14:49 -0400
                        Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 15:05 -0400
                          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 15:55 -0400
                        Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:53 -0500
                          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 20:30 -0400
                            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-09 17:50 -0700
                              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-10 09:15 -0400
                                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 10:18 -0400
                                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:49 -0700
                              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 10:50 -0400
                                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:48 -0700
                                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 12:21 -0400
                                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 10:00 -0700
                            Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-10 13:23 -0500
                      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:54 -0400
                        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:14 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 08:50 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:55 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 15:17 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:28 +0000
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:39 +0200
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 10:44 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 14:59 +0000
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-08-09 10:50 +0100
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2012-08-08 17:40 -0700
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-09 07:55 -0600
                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:40 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:42 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:19 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 15:44 +0000
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 18:36 -0400
                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:21 -0400
                      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 21:09 -0400
                    Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 05:34 +0000
                      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:45 -0400
                        Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 17:39 +0000
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 11:12 -0400
                  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-10 01:08 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 22:59 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:31 +0000

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#29277

In article <fmoore-FE6A30.09155410082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> In article <michelle-36C57B.17504309082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <fmoore-A77511.20300109082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Now, now, Georgy Boy, YOUR publicist claims you're a human being; but 
> > > yet you yourself proclaim you're not. You're a ghost. People in glass 
> > > house, my friend.
> > 
> > Ghosts are merely the next stage in individual human development.
> 
> You die.
>   You're dead.
>     Game over.
>       No replay.

Now you tell me.
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#29284

In article <fmoore-FE6A30.09155410082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> > > Now, now, Georgy Boy, YOUR publicist claims you're a human being; but 
> > > yet you yourself proclaim you're not. You're a ghost. People in glass 
> > > house, my friend.
> > 
> > Ghosts are merely the next stage in individual human development.
> 
> You die.
>   You're dead.
>     Game over.
>       No replay.

Just because ghosts refuse to talk to you doesn't mean that they aren't 
there.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29278

On 2012-08-09 20:50 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <fmoore-A77511.20300109082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
>   Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>
>> Now, now, Georgy Boy, YOUR publicist claims you're a human being; but
>> yet you yourself proclaim you're not. You're a ghost. People in glass
>> house, my friend.
>
> Ghosts are merely the next stage in individual human development.

Be sure to tell us how that works out for you.


-- 
"Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
             -Samuel Clemens.

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#29283

In article <1LOdnU4g6u1WgrjNnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >> Now, now, Georgy Boy, YOUR publicist claims you're a human being; but 
> >> yet you yourself proclaim you're not. You're a ghost. People in glass 
> >> house, my friend.
> >
> > Ghosts are merely the next stage in individual human development.
> 
> Be sure to tell us how that works out for you.

When you read about my demise, set up  seance to contact me, and I'll let 
you know.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29285

On 2012-08-10 11:48 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <1LOdnU4g6u1WgrjNnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> Now, now, Georgy Boy, YOUR publicist claims you're a human being; but
>>>> yet you yourself proclaim you're not. You're a ghost. People in glass
>>>> house, my friend.
>>>
>>> Ghosts are merely the next stage in individual human development.
>>
>> Be sure to tell us how that works out for you.
>
> When you read about my demise, set up  seance to contact me, and I'll let
> you know.

I don't do seances, so just drop in for tea vapour.


-- 
"Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
             -Samuel Clemens.

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#29287

In article <W6KdnTd0GZ64qLjNnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >>>> Now, now, Georgy Boy, YOUR publicist claims you're a human being; 
> >>>> but yet you yourself proclaim you're not. You're a ghost. People in 
> >>>> glass house, my friend.
> >>>
> >>> Ghosts are merely the next stage in individual human development.
> >>
> >> Be sure to tell us how that works out for you.
> >
> > When you read about my demise, set up  seance to contact me, and I'll 
> > let you know.
> 
> I don't do seances, so just drop in for tea vapour.

I think that can be arranged.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29291

On 8/9/12 7:30 PM, in article
fmoore-A77511.20300109082012@news.eternal-september.org, "Fred Moore"
<fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> In article <CC497F69.8C875%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/9/12 1:49 PM, in article
>> fmoore-98F45A.14491009082012@news.eternal-september.org, "Fred Moore"
>> <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <sI2dnZkt8Lstbr7NnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Everything is linked to your birth certificate.
>>> 
>>> But Alan, we in the US *know* that a birth certificate can be *easily*
>>> faked! Just look at Mitt Romney's or Newt Gingrich's!!!
>>> 
>>> HaHa, HoHo, & HeeHee
>> 
>> Or changed in history...
>> 
>> <http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/obamas-publicist-used-born
>> -in-kenya-bio-until-2007/>
>> 
>> Huh-huh?
> 
> Now, now, Georgy Boy, YOUR publicist claims you're a human being; but
> yet you yourself proclaim you're not. You're a ghost. People in glass
> house, my friend.

No. It's a MIRACLE, Freddy!

<http://www.youtube.com/embed/QXEoQJ7ZMZs?>

Whatta tell ya?!?

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#29305

On 08-09-2012 13:30, Alan Browne wrote
> Up until 1981 French women in Quebec could take and use their husband's
> name legally.  Many did.  Some maintained their maiden name.

So long established custom is now law.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    “If it wasn't for that blasted back-hoe,
     a hundred of us could be working with shovels”
    “Yeah, and if it weren't for our shovels,
     a thousand of us could be working with spoons."

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#29354

On 2012-08-10 22:54 , Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 08-09-2012 13:30, Alan Browne wrote
>> Up until 1981 French women in Quebec could take and use their husband's
>> name legally.  Many did.  Some maintained their maiden name.
>
> So long established custom is now law.

The reason Quebec adopted the law had nothing at all to do with any 
custom of any kind.

-- 
"Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
             -Samuel Clemens.

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#29126

In article <2012080700010178635-jeffnospam@jnadeaucom>,
 Jeff N <jeff+no.spam@jnadeau.com> wrote:

> Personally I find it prudent to not enable the otherwise-useful Remote 
> Wipe feature unless I have a persistent backup of the machine. But 
> that's just me.
> 
> (And yes, Remote Wipe is quite useful. Some companies require it on 
> devices that carry sensitive data.)
> 
> I also think that "security questions" which consist of easily 
> discoverable information (mother's maiden name, street you grew up on, 
> city you were born in) are outstandingly stupid gatekeepers to a 
> process for resetting my password. Never ever give honest answers to 
> those.

You can use something like 1Password to generate random answers to such 
questions. Of course, you have to record the replies somewhere. 

I use an encrypted diskimage saved in my Dropbox. Dropbox so I can 
recover them if I lose a machine; encrypted for obvious reasons.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

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#29148

On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 08:50:48 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote:

> You can use something like 1Password to generate random answers to such
> questions. Of course, you have to record the replies somewhere.
> 
> I use an encrypted diskimage saved in my Dropbox. Dropbox so I can
> recover them if I lose a machine; encrypted for obvious reasons.

That's what I was using until recently, but I shifted the encrypted image 
to SpiderOak, and in the light of the recent Dropbox compromise I am glad 
I did so.

"Dropbox confirms it got hacked, will offer two-factor authentication"

<http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/07/dropbox-confirms-it-got-hacked-
will-offer-two-factor-authentication/>

-- 
Paul Sture

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#29149

In article <8t48f9-7qh.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 08:50:48 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote:
> 
> > You can use something like 1Password to generate random answers to such
> > questions. Of course, you have to record the replies somewhere.
> > 
> > I use an encrypted diskimage saved in my Dropbox. Dropbox so I can
> > recover them if I lose a machine; encrypted for obvious reasons.
> 
> That's what I was using until recently, but I shifted the encrypted image 
> to SpiderOak, and in the light of the recent Dropbox compromise I am glad 
> I did so.
> 
> "Dropbox confirms it got hacked, will offer two-factor authentication"
> 
> <http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/07/dropbox-confirms-it-got-hacked-
> will-offer-two-factor-authentication/>

That's why I use encrypted diskimages.  I don't trust the security of 
any cloud provider and have even less faith in the incorruptibility of 
those who work for them

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

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#29152

In article <8t48f9-7qh.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture
<paul@sture.ch> wrote:

> > You can use something like 1Password to generate random answers to such
> > questions. Of course, you have to record the replies somewhere.
> > 
> > I use an encrypted diskimage saved in my Dropbox. Dropbox so I can
> > recover them if I lose a machine; encrypted for obvious reasons.
> 
> That's what I was using until recently, but I shifted the encrypted image 
> to SpiderOak, and in the light of the recent Dropbox compromise I am glad 
> I did so.

1password encrypts its database on dropbox.

unfortunately, very little supports spideroak directly.

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#29182

In message <8t48f9-7qh.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> 
  Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 08:50:48 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote:

>> You can use something like 1Password to generate random answers to such
>> questions. Of course, you have to record the replies somewhere.
>> 
>> I use an encrypted diskimage saved in my Dropbox. Dropbox so I can
>> recover them if I lose a machine; encrypted for obvious reasons.

> That's what I was using until recently, but I shifted the encrypted image 
> to SpiderOak, and in the light of the recent Dropbox compromise I am glad 
> I did so.

How is that relevant? Dropbox getting hacked doesn't give anyone access
to your encrypted disk image, or to your 1Password data which is also encrypted.

-- 
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

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#29196

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 04:28:49 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> In message <8t48f9-7qh.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>
>   Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 08:50:48 -0400, Tom Stiller wrote:
> 
>>> You can use something like 1Password to generate random answers to
>>> such questions. Of course, you have to record the replies somewhere.
>>> 
>>> I use an encrypted diskimage saved in my Dropbox. Dropbox so I can
>>> recover them if I lose a machine; encrypted for obvious reasons.
> 
>> That's what I was using until recently, but I shifted the encrypted
>> image to SpiderOak, and in the light of the recent Dropbox compromise I
>> am glad I did so.
> 
> How is that relevant? Dropbox getting hacked doesn't give anyone access
> to your encrypted disk image, or to your 1Password data which is also
> encrypted.

Once they have your encrypted disk image, they can attempt to crack it at 
their leisure.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#29199

Paul Sture:
> Once they have your encrypted disk image, they can attempt to crack it at 
> their leisure.

So encrypt with a strong password.

They had better have lots of leisure time if they want to crack my
encrypted disk image. I use passwords following a pattern that is
vaguely typified by, but not the same as, this: *Jp4#aVia&TiOn-fUel! .
The number of all possible passwords following this paradigm is
3,622,996,024,341,650,240,846,169,344,922,329,517,120 (3.62 x 10e39),
which is greater than the number of particles in the observable
Universe.

Time to crack with the fastest conceivable attack (100 trillion guesses
per second, which no hacker can do without a massively parallel
supercomputer) is 11.52 thousand trillion centuries, a long enough
period to be entirely meaningless in the context of any known or
conceivable Universe, though one could be in the ballpark if one
counted all of the fundamental particles in all the Universes in the
Multiverse, if such exists. I do not have duplicate passwords for any
log-ins.

For some frequently-used log-ins I have weaker passwords. The weakest
has a massive cracking array time of only 13.44 billion centuries.

So is my password crackable? Theoretically, yes, practically no. A
computer could hit it on the first guess, but divide 1 by the number
above to find the likelihood of that. I trust my financial data and
other important information to this PW without losing sleep. And
persons wanting secure passwords should also note this: hackers, don't
waste time looking for this password to be stored on any computer in
any form, or on-line, or anywhere else you would look, no matter how
clever you think you are; it is not stored in a strong,
pressure-and-water-proof container at the bottom of Lake Vostok, or in
a secret compartment in the Mars rover Curiosity, but those examples
should give you some idea of your chances of finding it. BTW, I also do
not keep a door key "hidden" on my property or in any of my cars, or on
my person, though making such a key unfindable (as a practical matter)
is easy enough if the owner is willing to put up with a little bit of
inconvenience if s/he needs to access it. Yet I have easy access to a
spare key if I need it.

OK, now that I've written all of this nonsense it's time to change my
password. I just noticed that if I were to use the exact number above,
3,622,996....120 the massive cracking array time would increase to 1.22
thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion centuries. A hacker would
want to pack a lunch before launching that attack.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#29201

Davoud wrote:
> OK, now that I've written all of this nonsense it's time to change my
> password. I just noticed that if I were to use the exact number above,
> 3,622,996....120 the massive cracking array time would increase to 1.22
> thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion centuries. A hacker would
> want to pack a lunch before launching that attack.
>

What you don't know (and probably can't) is if there is a "backdoor" in the
encryption algorithm. So that with the right software and a special key,
you can find a working key. It won't be your key, but it will work.

Then there was the SSL bug in Debian for a while, where you could specify
any key you wanted, but there were 1024 keys which opened everything 
(an oversimplification).

Geoff. 

-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379

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#29234

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> writes:
> Davoud wrote:

>> OK, now that I've written all of this nonsense it's time to change my
>> password. I just noticed that if I were to use the exact number
>> above, 3,622,996....120 the massive cracking array time would
>> increase to 1.22 thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion
>> centuries. A hacker would want to pack a lunch before launching that
>> attack.
>
> What you don't know (and probably can't) is if there is a "backdoor"
> in the encryption algorithm. So that with the right software and a
> special key, you can find a working key. It won't be your key, but it
> will work.
>
> Then there was the SSL bug in Debian for a while, where you could
> specify any key you wanted, but there were 1024 keys which opened
> everything (an oversimplification).

That seems closer to be being wrong than an oversimplification.

The bug was introduced into OpenSSL's random number generator.  Among
its effects were:

(i) Key generation would only produce a small number of distinct keys
(98301, although any given system could only produce 32767).  So any
private key generated by the broken software can be guessed with only a
tiny amount of work (given the public key).  Similar problems applied to
symmetric keys.

(ii) DSA depends not only on the secrecy of the private key but also on
the secrecy of a random number generated for each signature; anyone who
has the signature and this number can recover the private key.  As
above, this is easy if there's only a few possibilities to check.

Apart from (ii), keys that already existed, or that weren't generated
using the broken software, aren't affected; there was nothing even
slightly like a "key that opened everything".

-- 
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#29219

In article <080820121044084787%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> Paul Sture:
> > Once they have your encrypted disk image, they can attempt to crack it at 
> > their leisure.
> 
> So encrypt with a strong password.
> 
> They had better have lots of leisure time if they want to crack my
> encrypted disk image. I use passwords following a pattern that is
> vaguely typified by, but not the same as, this: *Jp4#aVia&TiOn-fUel! .
> The number of all possible passwords following this paradigm is
> 3,622,996,024,341,650,240,846,169,344,922,329,517,120 (3.62 x 10e39),
> which is greater than the number of particles in the observable
> Universe.
> 
> Time to crack with the fastest conceivable attack (100 trillion guesses
> per second, which no hacker can do without a massively parallel
> supercomputer) is 11.52 thousand trillion centuries, a long enough
> period to be entirely meaningless in the context of any known or
> conceivable Universe, though one could be in the ballpark if one
> counted all of the fundamental particles in all the Universes in the
> Multiverse, if such exists. I do not have duplicate passwords for any
> log-ins.
> 
> For some frequently-used log-ins I have weaker passwords. The weakest
> has a massive cracking array time of only 13.44 billion centuries.
> 
> So is my password crackable? Theoretically, yes, practically no. A
> computer could hit it on the first guess, but divide 1 by the number
> above to find the likelihood of that. I trust my financial data and
> other important information to this PW without losing sleep. And
> persons wanting secure passwords should also note this: hackers, don't
> waste time looking for this password to be stored on any computer in
> any form, or on-line, or anywhere else you would look, no matter how
> clever you think you are; it is not stored in a strong,
> pressure-and-water-proof container at the bottom of Lake Vostok, or in
> a secret compartment in the Mars rover Curiosity, but those examples
> should give you some idea of your chances of finding it. BTW, I also do
> not keep a door key "hidden" on my property or in any of my cars, or on
> my person, though making such a key unfindable (as a practical matter)
> is easy enough if the owner is willing to put up with a little bit of
> inconvenience if s/he needs to access it. Yet I have easy access to a
> spare key if I need it.
> 
> OK, now that I've written all of this nonsense it's time to change my
> password. I just noticed that if I were to use the exact number above,
> 3,622,996....120 the massive cracking array time would increase to 1.22
> thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion centuries. A hacker would
> want to pack a lunch before launching that attack.

Actually, someone asked about retrieving data from a FileVault encrypted 
account recent.  He posted interesting articles about the nature of 
Apple's File Vault encryption and the encryption used on their disk 
images.  It's is much easier to crack that what you've laid out mostly 
because there's 'leakage' with the key.  It led me to doubt my original 
position of "if you don't know that password, learn to live without the 
data".  The paper quoted showed how to break into these files.  

Check out the Google group archives for the article.  Then wipe the smug 
off your face.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#29238

Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> writes:

> In article <080820121044084787%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Paul Sture:
>> > Once they have your encrypted disk image, they can attempt to crack it at 
>> > their leisure.
>> 
>> So encrypt with a strong password.
>> 
>> They had better have lots of leisure time if they want to crack my
>> encrypted disk image. I use passwords following a pattern that is
>> vaguely typified by, but not the same as, this: *Jp4#aVia&TiOn-fUel! .
>> The number of all possible passwords following this paradigm is
>> 3,622,996,024,341,650,240,846,169,344,922,329,517,120 (3.62 x 10e39),
>> which is greater than the number of particles in the observable
>> Universe.
>> 
>> Time to crack with the fastest conceivable attack (100 trillion guesses
>> per second, which no hacker can do without a massively parallel
>> supercomputer) is 11.52 thousand trillion centuries, a long enough
>> period to be entirely meaningless in the context of any known or
>> conceivable Universe, though one could be in the ballpark if one
>> counted all of the fundamental particles in all the Universes in the
>> Multiverse, if such exists. I do not have duplicate passwords for any
>> log-ins.
>> 
>> For some frequently-used log-ins I have weaker passwords. The weakest
>> has a massive cracking array time of only 13.44 billion centuries.
>> 
>> So is my password crackable? Theoretically, yes, practically no. A
>> computer could hit it on the first guess, but divide 1 by the number
>> above to find the likelihood of that. I trust my financial data and
>> other important information to this PW without losing sleep. And
>> persons wanting secure passwords should also note this: hackers, don't
>> waste time looking for this password to be stored on any computer in
>> any form, or on-line, or anywhere else you would look, no matter how
>> clever you think you are; it is not stored in a strong,
>> pressure-and-water-proof container at the bottom of Lake Vostok, or in
>> a secret compartment in the Mars rover Curiosity, but those examples
>> should give you some idea of your chances of finding it. BTW, I also do
>> not keep a door key "hidden" on my property or in any of my cars, or on
>> my person, though making such a key unfindable (as a practical matter)
>> is easy enough if the owner is willing to put up with a little bit of
>> inconvenience if s/he needs to access it. Yet I have easy access to a
>> spare key if I need it.
>> 
>> OK, now that I've written all of this nonsense it's time to change my
>> password. I just noticed that if I were to use the exact number above,
>> 3,622,996....120 the massive cracking array time would increase to 1.22
>> thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion centuries. A hacker would
>> want to pack a lunch before launching that attack.
>
> Actually, someone asked about retrieving data from a FileVault encrypted 
> account recent.  He posted interesting articles about the nature of 
> Apple's File Vault encryption and the encryption used on their disk 
> images.  It's is much easier to crack that what you've laid out mostly 
> because there's 'leakage' with the key.  It led me to doubt my original 
> position of "if you don't know that password, learn to live without the 
> data".  The paper quoted showed how to break into these files.  
>
> Check out the Google group archives for the article.  Then wipe the smug 
> off your face.

And not everyone runs their cryptanalysis software on a desktop: 

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

Maybe we should write to the NSA and advise them to pack a lunch? :-)

In a possibly unrelated development, see also

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/54651214-79/power-million-rate-mountain.html.csp

-- 
Jim Janney

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