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Grammar Gripe

Started bySalmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net>
First post2013-12-21 11:21 -0800
Last post2013-12-28 18:55 +1300
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  Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 11:21 -0800
    Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-21 21:09 +0000
      Re: Grammar Gripe Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-21 13:15 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 13:41 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 13:54 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-22 11:21 +1300
            Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 18:36 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 16:45 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:35 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:44 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:47 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 21:58 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 09:13 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 16:45 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:38 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 21:58 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 19:09 +1300
                  Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-23 09:05 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-23 18:58 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 14:06 +1300
                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:36 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 18:14 +1300
                          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:56 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:14 +1300
                              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:19 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-24 17:45 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-12-25 01:43 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-25 08:58 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:29 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 18:51 +1300
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:59 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:14 +1300
                              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:59 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:07 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:36 +1300
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 12:52 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 16:31 -0500
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 17:11 -0500
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:49 -0800
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 23:56 +0000
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:15 -0800
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 16:59 -0800
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:22 +1300
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2013-12-27 13:30 -0600
                                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-24 22:02 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:20 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:58 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 12:47 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:09 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:09 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 12:18 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:38 +1300
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 17:18 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:52 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 18:44 -0500
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:03 -0800
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:24 +1300
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-24 23:05 -0500
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:50 +1300
                                            Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 13:28 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 15:52 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:54 +1300
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:10 -0800
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:26 +1300
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-25 04:34 +0000
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:52 +1300
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 21:34 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 15:16 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:11 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-26 19:00 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-27 08:20 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:48 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-27 18:52 -0500
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 10:20 -0500
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:50 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 09:27 -0800
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:51 -0800
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 13:07 -0800
                                            Re: Semantics Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-29 18:17 +0100
                                              Re: Semantics Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-29 12:34 -0500
                                                Re: Semantics Gripe Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-29 14:53 -0800
                                              Re: Semantics Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-29 10:56 -0800
                                                Re: Semantics Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-29 21:55 +0100
                              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:04 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-26 16:28 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-24 18:22 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-25 00:02 +0000
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:15 +1300
                              Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-26 23:30 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:51 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-27 18:36 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 21:08 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-24 18:03 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-01 17:55 +1100
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 11:41 -0700
                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 11:29 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 09:10 +1300
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 13:49 -0700
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 15:38 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:16 +1300
                            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 17:31 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:10 +0000
                            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:47 -0800
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 22:17 +0000
                                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 15:29 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-02 18:33 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 13:46 -0700
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 15:41 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:42 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:03 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 10:49 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-12-22 16:54 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-26 10:37 +1100
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-26 18:32 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 05:36 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-26 09:30 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:35 +1300
          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-23 10:59 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:34 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:45 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 04:58 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-21 20:11 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-22 15:43 +0000
      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-22 11:53 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-22 22:35 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 18:08 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-23 09:07 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 04:12 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 15:15 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-23 15:39 +0000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:46 +0000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:03 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 04:52 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 22:02 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 01:04 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 19:41 +1300
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-23 11:27 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-23 09:55 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 13:33 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:05 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:04 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:40 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 22:19 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 10:15 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:01 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:10 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 18:23 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:29 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:49 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-23 02:35 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 10:32 -0600
      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 12:36 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:40 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 16:06 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:18 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:41 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-23 09:26 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:47 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:39 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:46 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:10 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 04:34 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-25 14:17 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 18:36 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 01:18 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 07:59 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 05:41 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 09:53 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-26 21:27 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 02:06 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-27 08:03 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:43 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 19:16 -0800
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-27 08:04 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:00 +1000
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 10:42 -0700
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 09:52 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 10:44 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-26 10:00 -0800
                              Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-27 13:22 +0200
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 10:18 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-27 15:57 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-27 18:34 +0200
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 12:43 -0500
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:41 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 11:00 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 10:57 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 09:11 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 14:18 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Joe Di Domenico <joedid@email.com> - 2013-12-28 14:46 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-31 11:54 +0200
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:47 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-31 14:13 -0500
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:04 +1000
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 15:55 -0400
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 21:20 +0100
                                            Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 17:21 -0400
                                              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 17:22 -0700
                                                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-20 03:16 +0000
                                                  Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-20 00:00 -0400
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 08:40 -0400
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 10:54 -0400
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:02 +1000
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 08:34 -0400
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-19 15:09 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-20 08:51 +1000
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:37 -0400
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 12:36 +0200
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-20 07:03 -0700
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 17:33 +0200
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-04-21 07:57 -0400
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 03:23 +0200
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-20 03:11 +0000
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 09:35 -0400
                                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 15:51 -0400
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 15:56 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 17:07 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-27 12:05 +1300
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-27 21:52 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-28 09:48 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:47 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-26 09:48 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-27 09:38 +1300
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:59 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:58 +1000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-23 22:18 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 04:06 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-24 14:19 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 10:17 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:03 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:14 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 20:01 +0000
                        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 15:19 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:14 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 16:05 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 15:55 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:07 +1300
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:08 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:25 +1300
                          Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:46 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:11 +1300
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 20:54 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:00 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 10:21 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:12 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:40 +1300
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 13:37 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 04:42 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 16:20 +0000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 09:49 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 19:59 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-24 15:38 -0600
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 21:04 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 20:03 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-25 10:53 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-25 11:17 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:55 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 13:42 +0000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-19 06:52 -0700
                  Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-20 09:24 +1000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:35 -0400
                    Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 23:56 -0400
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 21:02 -0700
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-19 21:16 -0700
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-20 13:43 +0100
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-28 16:34 +1100
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-28 18:39 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:45 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:57 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:36 +0100
          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-22 22:54 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-23 03:20 +0100
              Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 22:07 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-23 09:56 +0100
                  Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 04:10 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:45 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:38 +0000
      Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:50 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-28 16:24 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 08:55 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-28 04:27 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 10:09 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-28 09:39 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:37 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:18 +1100
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 22:36 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 15:07 +1100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 17:27 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:24 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-30 17:34 +1100
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 10:04 +0100
                      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 10:31 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 19:25 +0100
                          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 13:56 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:48 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-02 15:10 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-03 01:21 +0000
                      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-02 21:21 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:34 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-28 22:17 +1100
          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 11:06 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 09:15 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-29 09:42 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 16:08 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 14:01 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 17:49 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 18:04 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 19:06 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 22:17 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 22:38 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-29 01:12 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 21:41 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:27 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 00:51 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-30 01:54 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 11:57 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-30 07:39 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 08:55 -0700
                    Re: Grammar Gripe JoeWolfDee <joedid@email.com> - 2013-12-30 11:13 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:11 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 18:29 -0700
                          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 17:32 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 15:56 +1300
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 21:32 -0700
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 20:44 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:25 +1300
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 22:41 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:41 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-31 15:27 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:42 -0700
                              Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-31 02:33 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:42 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-01 09:50 +1300
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:24 -0700
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 14:51 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-31 17:09 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-01 09:34 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-10 18:16 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-31 13:04 +0100
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 03:03 +0000
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 20:44 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-10 18:20 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-11 16:17 +1300
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:29 +1300
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:46 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-31 14:31 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 12:42 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 09:27 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 19:29 +0100
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:52 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 16:12 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 17:53 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:01 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 05:31 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:39 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 14:38 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 12:55 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-29 10:28 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 17:59 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 18:58 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 23:26 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 21:46 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-29 01:21 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 09:23 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:44 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:22 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-29 21:13 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-30 00:21 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-29 22:44 -0700
              Re: Grammar Gripe Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-29 21:49 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 09:26 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 12:14 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 09:23 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 12:51 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 16:11 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 21:13 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:54 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:26 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 22:41 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 18:11 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 23:25 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-29 22:37 -0700
            Re: Uniqueness Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-31 13:21 +0100
              Re: Uniqueness gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:52 -0800
              Re: Uniqueness Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:47 -0700
                Re: Uniqueness gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 14:55 -0800
                Re: Uniqueness Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-01 00:32 +0100
    Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:33 +0100
    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-23 10:57 +1100
    Re: Grammar Gripe bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 00:00 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2013-12-27 21:36 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-28 18:55 +1300

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#53942

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2013-12-28 11:06 -0500
Message-ID<281220131106067102%star@sky.net>
In reply to#53930
Tim Streater:
> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.

This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
"May," et al.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#53945

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-12-28 09:15 -0800
Message-ID<20131228091547973-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#53942
On 2013-12-28 16:06:06 +0000, Davoud <star@sky.net> said:

> Tim Streater:
>> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.
> 
> This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
> more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
> all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
> "May," et al.

...and the struggling to find a correct place in time, "did do", as in 
the awful "I did do that".
-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#53962

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-29 09:42 +1300
Message-ID<291220130942538602%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53945
In article <20131228091547973-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-12-28 16:06:06 +0000, Davoud <star@sky.net> said:
> > Tim Streater:
> >> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.
> > 
> > This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
> > more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
> > all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
> > "May," et al.
> 
> ...and the struggling to find a correct place in time, "did do", as in 
> the awful "I did do that".

It's better than "I done that".  ;-)

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#53967

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2013-12-28 16:08 -0500
Message-ID<281220131608197663%star@sky.net>
In reply to#53945
Tim Streater:
> >> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.

Davoud:
> > This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
> > more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
> > all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
> > "May," et al.

Savageduck:
> ...and the struggling to find a correct place in time, "did do", as in 
> the awful "I did do that".

The way you present it, it does look awful, but I'm not sure that I
have a problem with that when used for emphasis in informal speech.
"You said you wouldn't go there, but you DID go!" "Little Billy said he
wouldn't eat his peas, but he DID eat them when I told him he wouldn't
grow big and strong if he didn't." "He denied that he had done it, but
I knew that he DID do it." Sometimes "but he did it" might be enough,
sometimes not. Such usages are not suitable for the written word,
except in dialogue.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#53972

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-12-28 14:01 -0800
Message-ID<2013122814015480108-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#53967
On 2013-12-28 21:08:19 +0000, Davoud <star@sky.net> said:

> Tim Streater:
>>>> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.
> 
> Davoud:
>>> This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
>>> more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
>>> all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
>>> "May," et al.
> 
> Savageduck:
>> ...and the struggling to find a correct place in time, "did do", as in
>> the awful "I did do that".
> 
> The way you present it, it does look awful, but I'm not sure that I
> have a problem with that when used for emphasis in informal speech.

Emphasis in informal speech is questionable as correct, since "informal 
speech" is hardly a correct reference.

> "You said you wouldn't go there, but you DID go!"

In that example there was a fair attempt at emphatic indignation, which 
falls flat due to the poor grammar. Repeating "go" is where it fails. 
There are two variations of your sentence which will work:
""You said you wouldn't go there, but you DID!" or using the correct 
past tense, "You said you wouldn't go there, but you went!"

> "Little Billy said he wouldn't eat his peas, but he DID eat them when I 
> told him he wouldn't
> grow big and strong if he didn't."

However, dialogue is not immune from the rules of grammar and correct 
usage in context just because it is spoken and might be colloquial.
In the case of your "Little Billy" example you have used "DID" in an 
attempt at emphasis, and failed to use a correct past tense in the 
attempt. It would both read and sound better if written & spoken 
correctly:
"Little Billy said he wouldn't eat his peas, but he ate them when I 
told him he wouldn't grow big and strong if he didn't."

> "He denied that he had done it, but I knew that he DID do it." 
> Sometimes "but he did it" might be enough,
> sometimes not. Such usages are not suitable for the written word, 
> except in dialogue.

...and for the denial example:
"He denied that he had done it, but I knew that he had."

The use of "DID" can be, and has been superfluous and clumsy.
Just because something is used in speech, does not make it correct, 
even if that incorrect usage have become common. One such demonstration 
of word creation is the former non-word, now in common usage, 
"normalcy" when the perfectly good "normality" has always been there.

Now that I have said all that, Usenet groups are the wild west when it 
comes to the written word and grammar, proper usage, and 
spelling(mainly due to typos) are usually ignored. We just have to 
tolerate that, regardless of our pet peeves, and how much bad grammar 
and usage makes us squirm.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#53977

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2013-12-28 17:49 -0500
Message-ID<281220131749544631%star@sky.net>
In reply to#53972
Davoud:
> > The way you present it, it does look awful, but I'm not sure that I
> > have a problem with that when used for emphasis in informal speech.

Savageduck:
> Emphasis in informal speech is questionable as correct, since "informal 
> speech" is hardly a correct reference.

Really? The way people everywhere communicate in their every-day lives
is not a correct reference for the language they speak? I would think
that it would be the definitive reference.

> > "You said you wouldn't go there, but you DID go!"

> In that example there was a fair attempt at emphatic indignation, which 
> falls flat due to the poor grammar....

I think that you are judging this as written English because that is
what you see before you. I said "informal speech." I also said that *I*
might not have a problem with this usage.

-- 
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you will say in your entire life.

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#53983

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2013-12-28 18:04 -0500
Message-ID<l9nle7$6ao$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53977
On 12/28/13, 5:49 PM, Davoud wrote:
> Davoud:
>>> The way you present it, it does look awful, but I'm not sure that I
>>> have a problem with that when used for emphasis in informal speech.
>
> Savageduck:
>> Emphasis in informal speech is questionable as correct, since "informal
>> speech" is hardly a correct reference.
>
> Really? The way people everywhere communicate in their every-day lives
> is not a correct reference for the language they speak? I would think
> that it would be the definitive reference.
>
>>> "You said you wouldn't go there, but you DID go!"
>
>> In that example there was a fair attempt at emphatic indignation, which
>> falls flat due to the poor grammar....
>
> I think that you are judging this as written English because that is
> what you see before you. I said "informal speech." I also said that *I*
> might not have a problem with this usage.
>
Genesis 3:6 - "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, 
and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make 
one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto 
her husband with her; and he did eat."

Is that formal?  I believe I've seen "did" used as an auxiliary verb in 
movies about formal old court sessions, to emphasize what action was 
being charged.

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#53988

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2013-12-28 19:06 -0500
Message-ID<281220131906005423%star@sky.net>
In reply to#53983
J Burns wrote, concerning "did" as an auxiliary verb:

> Genesis 3:6 - "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, 
> and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make 
> one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto 
> her husband with her; and he did eat."

> Is that formal?  I believe I've seen "did" used as an auxiliary verb in 
> movies about formal old court sessions, to emphasize what action was 
> being charged.

The KJV is an exemplar of formal English. For purposes of the current
discussion, I would note also that it abounds with archaic usages.

-- 
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you will say in your entire life.

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#53993

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2013-12-28 22:17 -0500
Message-ID<l9o47o$68s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53988
On 12/28/13, 7:06 PM, Davoud wrote:
> J Burns wrote, concerning "did" as an auxiliary verb:
>
>> Genesis 3:6 - "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food,
>> and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make
>> one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto
>> her husband with her; and he did eat."
>
>> Is that formal?  I believe I've seen "did" used as an auxiliary verb in
>> movies about formal old court sessions, to emphasize what action was
>> being charged.
>
> The KJV is an exemplar of formal English. For purposes of the current
> discussion, I would note also that it abounds with archaic usages.
>
For purposes of the current discussion... Do you mean using the 
auxiliary verb "do" for emphasis is archaic?  I take it you do mean that.

According to my Mac dictionary, an archaic word is one that is no longer 
in everyday use.  You do say the auxiliary verb "do" is in everyday use, 
don't you?

It's well understood by English speakers, and it has an excellent 
grammatical pedigree.  I see nothing wrong with it.

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#53994

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2013-12-28 22:38 -0500
Message-ID<281220132238038559%star@sky.net>
In reply to#53993
Davoud:
> > The KJV is an exemplar of formal English. For purposes of the current
> > discussion, I would note also that it abounds with archaic usages.

J Burns:
> For purposes of the current discussion... Do you mean using the 
> auxiliary verb "do" for emphasis is archaic?  I take it you do mean that.

Not at all. You misunderstood me because you didn't see an earlier post
that I made. I would say that the phrase "...she took of the fruit
thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he
did eat" is an example of archaic usage. Quaint, poetical, lyrical,
even, but not current.

-- 
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you will say in your entire life.

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#54003

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2013-12-29 01:12 -0500
Message-ID<52bfbd47$0$61251$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#53994
On 13-12-28 22:38, Davoud wrote:
"...she took of the fruit
> thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he
> did eat" is an example of archaic usage. Quaint, poetical, lyrical,
> even, but not current.


To me, this indicates a context where there was uncertainty on whether
or not she would eat the Apple (hey, back on topic :-), so the wording
"and did eat it" provides a confrmation/response to the question "did
she or didn't she eat the Apple".

And consider what would have happened if she ate the Apple, but Adam
didn't. Adam would have stayed in paradise, while Eve would have been
thrown out. Without contact, it would have been pretty hard for them to
pro-create, and god would have had to use his immaculate conception
skills all the time to make sure humankind stayed alive.  However, with
men unable to see naked women, Playboy sales would have skyrocketed in
paradise, and there surely would have been some tunnels where men could
bring in women into paradise for sex. (aka: prostitution :-)

All these problems were caused by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak who
create that Apple which caused so many problems to Adam and Eve back then.



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#54001

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2013-12-28 21:41 -0800
Message-ID<2013122821410660225-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to#53977
On 2013-12-28 22:49:54 +0000, Davoud said:

> Davoud:
>>> The way you present it, it does look awful, but I'm not sure that I
>>> have a problem with that when used for emphasis in informal speech.
> 
> Savageduck:
>> Emphasis in informal speech is questionable as correct, since "informal
>> speech" is hardly a correct reference.
> 
> Really? The way people everywhere communicate in their every-day lives
> is not a correct reference for the language they speak? I would think
> that it would be the definitive reference.
> 
>>> "You said you wouldn't go there, but you DID go!"
> 
>> In that example there was a fair attempt at emphatic indignation, which
>> falls flat due to the poor grammar....
> 
> I think that you are judging this as written English because that is
> what you see before you. I said "informal speech." I also said that *I*
> might not have a problem with this usage.

Yeah.  Words change.

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#54030

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-12-30 04:27 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlc1ti9.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#53945
In message <20131228091547973-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> 
  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-12-28 16:06:06 +0000, Davoud <star@sky.net> said:

>> Tim Streater:
>>> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.
>> 
>> This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
>> more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
>> all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
>> "May," et al.

> ...and the struggling to find a correct place in time, "did do", as in 
> the awful "I did do that".

Are you sure you're a native speaker? There is nothing at all wrong with
"I did do that."

"You need to turn off the router and restart it."

"I did do that, it didn't help."


-- 
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#54047

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-12-30 00:51 -0800
Message-ID<2013123000515945035-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54030
On 2013-12-30 04:27:45 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:

> In message <20131228091547973-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
>   Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-12-28 16:06:06 +0000, Davoud <star@sky.net> said:
> 
>>> Tim Streater:
>>>> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.
>>> 
>>> This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
>>> more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
>>> all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
>>> "May," et al.
> 
>> ...and the struggling to find a correct place in time, "did do", as in
>> the awful "I did do that".
> 
> Are you sure you're a native speaker? There is nothing at all wrong with
> "I did do that."
> 
> "You need to turn off the router and restart it."
> 
> "I did do that, it didn't help."

...and yet; "I did that, it didn't help." is much simpler, and less clumsy.
The "do" is superfluous.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54050

FromMichael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Date2013-12-30 01:54 -0800
Message-ID<vilain-894250.01540430122013@news.individual.net>
In reply to#54047
In article <2013123000515945035-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-30 04:27:45 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:
> 
> > In message <20131228091547973-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
> >   Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-12-28 16:06:06 +0000, Davoud <star@sky.net> said:
> > 
> >>> Tim Streater:
> >>>> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.
> >>> 
> >>> This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
> >>> more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
> >>> all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
> >>> "May," et al.
> > 
> >> ...and the struggling to find a correct place in time, "did do", as in
> >> the awful "I did do that".
> > 
> > Are you sure you're a native speaker? There is nothing at all wrong with
> > "I did do that."
> > 
> > "You need to turn off the router and restart it."
> > 
> > "I did do that, it didn't help."
> 
> ...and yet; "I did that, it didn't help." is much simpler, and less clumsy.
> The "do" is superfluous.

I wonder about little bits like the above.  There must be a style-guide 
somewhere that gives the subtleties of such things.

If it's fiction, then I suppose you could argue that "this is how the 
character speaks".  But in the standard "this is how you write proper 
English", they both are correct.  But one is considered "better writing" 
for reason of style.

I don't pretend to know more than the basics of grammar and writing 
years ago.  But I imagine William Gibson or some other author who's 
concise, spare prose manage to tell a story in what seems like the 
fewest of words.  And I take out what doesn't serve the story I'm trying 
to tell.

Not the same thing when you're writing for a TPL report.

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#54062

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2013-12-30 11:57 -0500
Message-ID<l9s8mn$ihg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54050
On 12/30/13, 4:54 AM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article <2013123000515945035-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>   Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> ...and yet; "I did that, it didn't help." is much simpler, and less clumsy.
>> The "do" is superfluous.
>
> I wonder about little bits like the above.  There must be a style-guide
> somewhere that gives the subtleties of such things.
>
> If it's fiction, then I suppose you could argue that "this is how the
> character speaks".  But in the standard "this is how you write proper
> English", they both are correct.  But one is considered "better writing"
> for reason of style.
>
> I don't pretend to know more than the basics of grammar and writing
> years ago.  But I imagine William Gibson or some other author who's
> concise, spare prose manage to tell a story in what seems like the
> fewest of words.  And I take out what doesn't serve the story I'm trying
> to tell.
>
> Not the same thing when you're writing for a TPL report.
>
One of the worst parts of serving aboard a ship was announcements piped 
over the PA. The announcements interrupted busy crewmen.  There was 
likely to be background noise.  Fidelity was "mechanical."  Worse yet, 
quartermasters liked to speak in monotones with minimal words, like 
printed text.

These announcements were distracting, and perhaps half the crew wouldn't 
even notice a given announcement.  I tried to follow the example of AM 
and FM radio announcers before the age when shouting and repetition were 
the soul of wit.  The ones who announced for farmers doing chores before 
dawn may have been the best.  They used tempo, rhythm, tone, inflection, 
and wording to produce sentences that would flow into the listener's 
ears without his effort.

I was proud that everybody seemed to catch my announcements. Shipboard 
announcements started with "now," the alert.  I used inflection and took 
the time to let the diphthong flow.  Inflection and rhythm could make 
standard wording more natural for the ear to comprehend. For an original 
announcement, I might use wordier phrasing than in a written message 
because terser phrasing can be harder for the ear to comprehend.

The use of "do" to start a question is an example.  To save time and 
paper, an ancient monk might have written, "Love ye grapes?" In speech, 
"Do ye love grapes?" could be easier to comprehend; "do" serves as an 
alert, and, to the ear, the normal word order remains.

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#54059

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2013-12-30 07:39 -0800
Message-ID<l9s44b$jgf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54047
On 12/30/13   PDT, 12:51 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2013-12-30 04:27:45 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
> said:

>> Are you sure you're a native speaker? There is nothing at all wrong with
>> "I did do that."
>>
>> "You need to turn off the router and restart it."
>>
>> "I did do that, it didn't help."
>
> ...and yet; "I did that, it didn't help." is much simpler, and less clumsy.
> The "do" is superfluous.

Yes, it is, but is emphatic. Almost always correct in speech, less so in 
written form.

And there should be a semi-colon in place of the comma in the simple and 
facile example. (!)

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#54060

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2013-12-30 08:55 -0700
Message-ID<301220130855463875%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54047
In article <2013123000515945035-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > Are you sure you're a native speaker? There is nothing at all wrong with
> > "I did do that."
> > 
> > "You need to turn off the router and restart it."
> > 
> > "I did do that, it didn't help."
> 
> ...and yet; "I did that, it didn't help." is much simpler, and less clumsy.
> The "do" is superfluous.

It is a matter of emphasis.

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#54061

FromJoeWolfDee <joedid@email.com>
Date2013-12-30 11:13 -0500
Message-ID<l9s62l$19q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54060
On 2013-12-30 15:55:46 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <2013123000515945035-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Are you sure you're a native speaker? There is nothing at all wrong with
>>> "I did do that."
>>> 
>>> "You need to turn off the router and restart it."
>>> 
>>> "I did do that, it didn't help."
>> 
>> ...and yet; "I did that, it didn't help." is much simpler, and less clumsy.
>> The "do" is superfluous.
> 
> It is a matter of emphasis.

I agree that the use of "do" as an auxiliary, for emphasis, is 
positively acceptable in speech, even serving a significant and 
distinct purpose.

However, when someone uses it with the verb "to do" in the present 
(e.g., "No, but what I do do is..."), the six-year-old in me cannot 
resist bellowing, "You said 'do-do'!!"

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#54088

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2013-12-30 17:11 -0500
Message-ID<52c1ef75$0$46358$c3e8da3$a9097924@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#54061
On 13-12-30 11:13, JoeWolfDee wrote:

> I agree that the use of "do" as an auxiliary, for emphasis, is 
> positively acceptable in speech, even serving a significant and 
> distinct purpose.

Yeah, I did perform the reboot as you suggested.
Yeah, I did do      the reboot as you suggested.




> However, when someone uses it with the verb "to do" in the present 
> (e.g., "No, but what I do do is..."), the six-year-old in me cannot 
> resist bellowing, "You said 'do-do'!!"

This probably has roots that are quite distinct.

Please do perform the reboot as I suggested.

Something you might expect a British person to say for instance. Not
sure what grammar/rules support this. But it is often used.

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