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Re: Grammar Gripe

From Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Message-ID <2013122814015480108-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> (permalink)
References (2 earlier) <i1osb9h9is48b179l8bnp28svninqongt9@4ax.com> <281220130855454168%timstreater@greenbee.net> <281220131106067102%star@sky.net> <20131228091547973-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <281220131608197663%star@sky.net>
Subject Re: Grammar Gripe
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Date 2013-12-28 14:01 -0800

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On 2013-12-28 21:08:19 +0000, Davoud <star@sky.net> said:

> Tim Streater:
>>>> And I heard "new innovation" only the other day.
> 
> Davoud:
>>> This is part of the phenomenon in which ignorant people think that the
>>> more words they use, the more weight their speech has. It's weighty,
>>> all right, but not in the way they hope. See "May time frame" for
>>> "May," et al.
> 
> Savageduck:
>> ...and the struggling to find a correct place in time, "did do", as in
>> the awful "I did do that".
> 
> The way you present it, it does look awful, but I'm not sure that I
> have a problem with that when used for emphasis in informal speech.

Emphasis in informal speech is questionable as correct, since "informal 
speech" is hardly a correct reference.

> "You said you wouldn't go there, but you DID go!"

In that example there was a fair attempt at emphatic indignation, which 
falls flat due to the poor grammar. Repeating "go" is where it fails. 
There are two variations of your sentence which will work:
""You said you wouldn't go there, but you DID!" or using the correct 
past tense, "You said you wouldn't go there, but you went!"

> "Little Billy said he wouldn't eat his peas, but he DID eat them when I 
> told him he wouldn't
> grow big and strong if he didn't."

However, dialogue is not immune from the rules of grammar and correct 
usage in context just because it is spoken and might be colloquial.
In the case of your "Little Billy" example you have used "DID" in an 
attempt at emphasis, and failed to use a correct past tense in the 
attempt. It would both read and sound better if written & spoken 
correctly:
"Little Billy said he wouldn't eat his peas, but he ate them when I 
told him he wouldn't grow big and strong if he didn't."

> "He denied that he had done it, but I knew that he DID do it." 
> Sometimes "but he did it" might be enough,
> sometimes not. Such usages are not suitable for the written word, 
> except in dialogue.

...and for the denial example:
"He denied that he had done it, but I knew that he had."

The use of "DID" can be, and has been superfluous and clumsy.
Just because something is used in speech, does not make it correct, 
even if that incorrect usage have become common. One such demonstration 
of word creation is the former non-word, now in common usage, 
"normalcy" when the perfectly good "normality" has always been there.

Now that I have said all that, Usenet groups are the wild west when it 
comes to the written word and grammar, proper usage, and 
spelling(mainly due to typos) are usually ignored. We just have to 
tolerate that, regardless of our pet peeves, and how much bad grammar 
and usage makes us squirm.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 11:21 -0800
  Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-21 21:09 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-21 13:15 -0800
    Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 13:41 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 13:54 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-22 11:21 +1300
          Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 18:36 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 16:45 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:35 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:44 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:47 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 21:58 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 09:13 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 16:45 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:38 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 21:58 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 19:09 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-23 09:05 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-23 18:58 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 14:06 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:36 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 18:14 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:56 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:14 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:19 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-24 17:45 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-12-25 01:43 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-25 08:58 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:29 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 18:51 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:59 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:14 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:59 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:07 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:36 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 12:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 16:31 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 17:11 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:49 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 23:56 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:15 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 16:59 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:22 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2013-12-27 13:30 -0600
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-24 22:02 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:20 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:58 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 12:47 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:09 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:09 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 12:18 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:38 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 17:18 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 18:44 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:03 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:24 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-24 23:05 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:50 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 13:28 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 15:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:54 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:10 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:26 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-25 04:34 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:52 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 21:34 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 15:16 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:11 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-26 19:00 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-27 08:20 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:48 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-27 18:52 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 10:20 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:50 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 09:27 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:51 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 13:07 -0800
                Re: Semantics Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-29 18:17 +0100
                Re: Semantics Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-29 12:34 -0500
                Re: Semantics Gripe Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-29 14:53 -0800
                Re: Semantics Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-29 10:56 -0800
                Re: Semantics Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-29 21:55 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:04 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-26 16:28 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-24 18:22 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-25 00:02 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:15 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-26 23:30 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:51 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-27 18:36 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 21:08 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-24 18:03 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-01 17:55 +1100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 11:41 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 11:29 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 09:10 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 13:49 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 15:38 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:16 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 17:31 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:10 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:47 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 22:17 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 15:29 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-02 18:33 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 13:46 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 15:41 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:42 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:03 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 10:49 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-12-22 16:54 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-26 10:37 +1100
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-26 18:32 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 05:36 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-26 09:30 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:35 +1300
        Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-23 10:59 +1100
      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:34 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:45 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 04:58 +0000
  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-21 20:11 -0500
  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-22 15:43 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-22 11:53 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-22 22:35 +0000
        Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 18:08 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-23 09:07 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 04:12 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 15:15 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-23 15:39 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:46 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:03 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 04:52 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 22:02 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 01:04 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 19:41 +1300
          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-23 11:27 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-23 09:55 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 13:33 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:05 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:04 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:40 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 22:19 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 10:15 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:01 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:10 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 18:23 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:29 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:49 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-23 02:35 -0500
  Re: Grammar Gripe Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 10:32 -0600
    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 12:36 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:40 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 16:06 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:18 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:41 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-23 09:26 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:47 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:39 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:46 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:10 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 04:34 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-25 14:17 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 18:36 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 01:18 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 07:59 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 05:41 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 09:53 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-26 21:27 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 02:06 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-27 08:03 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:43 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 19:16 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-27 08:04 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:00 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 10:42 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 09:52 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 10:44 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-26 10:00 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-27 13:22 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 10:18 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-27 15:57 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-27 18:34 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 12:43 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:41 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 11:00 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 10:57 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 09:11 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 14:18 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe Di Domenico <joedid@email.com> - 2013-12-28 14:46 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-31 11:54 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:47 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-31 14:13 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:04 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 15:55 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 21:20 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 17:21 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 17:22 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-20 03:16 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-20 00:00 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 08:40 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 10:54 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:02 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 08:34 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-19 15:09 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-20 08:51 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:37 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 12:36 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-20 07:03 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 17:33 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-04-21 07:57 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 03:23 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-20 03:11 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 09:35 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 15:51 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 15:56 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 17:07 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-27 12:05 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-27 21:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-28 09:48 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:47 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-26 09:48 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-27 09:38 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:59 +1000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:58 +1000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-23 22:18 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 04:06 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-24 14:19 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 10:17 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:03 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:14 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 20:01 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 15:19 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:14 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 16:05 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 15:55 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:07 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:08 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:25 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:46 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:11 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 20:54 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:00 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 10:21 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:12 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:40 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 13:37 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 04:42 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 16:20 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 09:49 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 19:59 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-24 15:38 -0600
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 21:04 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 20:03 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-25 10:53 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-25 11:17 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:55 +1000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 13:42 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-19 06:52 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-20 09:24 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:35 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 23:56 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 21:02 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-19 21:16 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-20 13:43 +0100
          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-28 16:34 +1100
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-28 18:39 +1300
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:45 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:57 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:36 +0100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-22 22:54 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-23 03:20 +0100
            Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 22:07 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-23 09:56 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 04:10 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:45 -0800
    Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:38 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:50 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-28 16:24 +1100
      Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 08:55 +0000
        Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-28 04:27 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 10:09 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-28 09:39 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:37 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:18 +1100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 22:36 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 15:07 +1100
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 17:27 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:24 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-30 17:34 +1100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 10:04 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 10:31 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 19:25 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 13:56 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:48 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-02 15:10 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-03 01:21 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-02 21:21 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:34 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-28 22:17 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 11:06 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 09:15 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-29 09:42 +1300
            Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 16:08 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 14:01 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 17:49 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 18:04 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 19:06 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 22:17 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 22:38 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-29 01:12 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 21:41 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:27 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 00:51 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-30 01:54 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 11:57 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-30 07:39 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 08:55 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe JoeWolfDee <joedid@email.com> - 2013-12-30 11:13 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:11 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 18:29 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 17:32 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 15:56 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 21:32 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 20:44 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:25 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 22:41 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:41 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-31 15:27 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:42 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-31 02:33 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:42 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-01 09:50 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:24 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 14:51 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-31 17:09 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-01 09:34 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-10 18:16 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-31 13:04 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 03:03 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 20:44 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-10 18:20 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-11 16:17 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:29 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:46 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-31 14:31 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 12:42 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 09:27 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 19:29 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 16:12 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 17:53 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:01 +1100
      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 05:31 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:39 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 14:38 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 12:55 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-29 10:28 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 17:59 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 18:58 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 23:26 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 21:46 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-29 01:21 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 09:23 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:44 +1100
      Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:22 +0000
        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-29 21:13 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-30 00:21 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-29 22:44 -0700
            Re: Grammar Gripe Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-29 21:49 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 09:26 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 12:14 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 09:23 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 12:51 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 16:11 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 21:13 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:54 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:26 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 22:41 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 18:11 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 23:25 +0000
        Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-29 22:37 -0700
          Re: Uniqueness Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-31 13:21 +0100
            Re: Uniqueness gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:52 -0800
            Re: Uniqueness Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:47 -0700
              Re: Uniqueness gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 14:55 -0800
              Re: Uniqueness Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-01 00:32 +0100
  Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:33 +0100
  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-23 10:57 +1100
  Re: Grammar Gripe bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 00:00 +0000
  Re: Grammar Gripe RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2013-12-27 21:36 -0800
    Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-28 18:55 +1300

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