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| Started by | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| First post | 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800 |
| Last post | 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300 |
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Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-25 23:51 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-26 07:07 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 00:56 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> - 2013-11-26 06:24 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:47 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:21 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-27 18:59 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 01:00 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 04:08 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:34 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 08:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:59 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:13 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <email@domain.com> - 2013-11-29 22:04 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <email@domain.com> - 2013-11-29 22:05 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <email@domain.com> - 2013-11-29 22:09 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <rabsgiarc@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 22:10 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <rabsgiarc@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 22:19 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-30 12:16 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-30 19:36 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-12-01 19:13 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-12-01 00:28 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-12-02 00:51 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-01 18:44 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-12-02 11:36 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-02 09:06 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-12-06 17:44 +0100
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-06 17:55 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-06 13:03 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-07 08:37 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-08 03:33 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:20 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:10 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-27 19:19 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-28 17:29 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-30 19:37 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-27 21:33 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 07:24 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:18 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 21:12 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:19 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 07:41 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-27 19:54 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 13:51 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:40 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:22 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:52 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 19:17 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 08:18 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:38 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 14:32 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:45 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 15:31 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 20:50 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-28 18:47 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:33 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-12-01 09:55 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-01 15:05 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 21:19 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:16 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-28 23:09 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 15:41 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 23:36 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:23 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 17:21 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:44 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:21 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 18:10 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 03:01 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:14 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-30 09:38 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:17 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-28 01:12 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-28 23:53 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 13:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 18:12 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-26 14:04 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:44 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 08:53 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 09:48 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 11:01 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-26 20:51 +0100
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-26 15:15 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question <henry@att.net> - 2013-11-26 12:35 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 14:15 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> - 2013-11-26 18:14 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:07 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-27 12:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:16 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 17:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5296705a$0$12571$c3e8da3$69010069@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #52754 |
On 13-11-27 14:54, Kiraly wrote: > The ability to move an image around with the mouse. Click and drag is > how this was always done by using the hand drag tool. That tool was > removed and we can't click and drag an image anymore. Now we have to > click and drag the scroll bars to move the image. Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 14:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112714441589305-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #52764 |
On 2013-11-27 22:21:14 +0000, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said: > On 13-11-27 14:54, Kiraly wrote: > >> The ability to move an image around with the mouse. Click and drag is >> how this was always done by using the hand drag tool. That tool was >> removed and we can't click and drag an image anymore. Now we have to >> click and drag the scroll bars to move the image. > > Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? Hmmm?? -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 18:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52967e88$0$58579$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #52767 |
On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > Hmmm?? Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag content too bit to fit in a window. So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing from the Maveriks version.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #52769 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > > > Hmmm?? > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag > content too bit to fit in a window. > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and > put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if > so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing > from the Maveriks version. This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 18:10 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <281120131810505459%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52786 |
In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > > > > > Hmmm?? > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag > > content too bit to fit in a window. > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and > > put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if > > so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing > > from the Maveriks version. > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work. It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the sounds.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 03:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <281120130301136752%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #52790 |
In article <281120131810505459%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the > sounds. lemmings worked in classic under os x, and on hardware that was worlds different than what existed when lemmings was originally released.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #52790 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > > > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > > > > > > > Hmmm?? > > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag > > > content too bit to fit in a window. > > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and > > > put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if > > > so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing > > > from the Maveriks version. > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work. > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the > sounds. I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried it under 9). -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-29 09:21 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <291120130921062246%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52801 |
In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm?? > > > > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag > > > > content too bit to fit in a window. > > > > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and > > > > put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if > > > > so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing > > > > from the Maveriks version. > > > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work. > > > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the > > sounds. > > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried > it under 9). It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old applications that relied on that particular system resource.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1ld3i3l.nt49zj1sbf2bvN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #52818 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm?? > > > > > > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag > > > > > content too bit to fit in a window. > > > > > > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of > > > > > files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it > > > > > work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the hand > > > > > which is missing from the Maveriks version. > > > > > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays > > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if > > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work. > > > > > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game > > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made > > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the > > > sounds. > > > > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the > > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings > > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried > > it under 9). > > It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an > example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same > method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When > Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old > applications that relied on that particular system resource. Yeah but I was talking about parts of System 7.1 working in 7.6 and parts of 8 working in 8.6. Not apps like AppleWorks or Filemaker, but the apps/applets/control panels/extensions that were part of the system in classic days. I wish I could remember some examples... it's been so long. But I recall mixing and matching parts of the older system software fairly often for various reasons, throughout my years of classic MacOS use. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-29 18:14 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <291120131814373061%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52832 |
In article <1ld3i3l.nt49zj1sbf2bvN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to > > > > > > drag > > > > > > content too bit to fit in a window. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of > > > > > > files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it > > > > > > work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the hand > > > > > > which is missing from the Maveriks version. > > > > > > > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays > > > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if > > > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work. > > > > > > > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game > > > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made > > > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the > > > > sounds. > > > > > > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the > > > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings > > > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried > > > it under 9). > > > > It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an > > example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same > > method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When > > Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old > > applications that relied on that particular system resource. > > Yeah but I was talking about parts of System 7.1 working in 7.6 and > parts of 8 working in 8.6. Not apps like AppleWorks or Filemaker, but > the apps/applets/control panels/extensions that were part of the system > in classic days. I wish I could remember some examples... it's been so > long. But I recall mixing and matching parts of the older system > software fairly often for various reasons, throughout my years of > classic MacOS use. You can still do that with Mac OS X. For example, when I upgrade this computer to Mac OS X 8.2, the new calculator was hopelessly slow to open up, so I dragged the old calculator from the backup copy of Mac OS X 10.1 and it works fine. Problems occur when Apple makes major changes to parts of the operating system which an old application relies on - that happened in classic and Mac OS X, as well as Windows and any other operating system. The obvious example is commercial games of course, which quite often fall over trying to run on a newer operating system.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1ld44zu.1haj7pr1taxy5xN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #52843 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <1ld3i3l.nt49zj1sbf2bvN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > > > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to > > > > > > > drag > > > > > > > content too bit to fit in a window. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of > > > > > > > files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it > > > > > > > work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the hand > > > > > > > which is missing from the Maveriks version. > > > > > > > > > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays > > > > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if > > > > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game > > > > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made > > > > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the > > > > > sounds. > > > > > > > > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the > > > > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings > > > > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried > > > > it under 9). > > > > > > It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an > > > example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same > > > method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When > > > Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old > > > applications that relied on that particular system resource. > > > > Yeah but I was talking about parts of System 7.1 working in 7.6 and > > parts of 8 working in 8.6. Not apps like AppleWorks or Filemaker, but > > the apps/applets/control panels/extensions that were part of the system > > in classic days. I wish I could remember some examples... it's been so > > long. But I recall mixing and matching parts of the older system > > software fairly often for various reasons, throughout my years of > > classic MacOS use. > > You can still do that with Mac OS X. For example, when I upgrade this > computer to Mac OS X 8.2, the new calculator was hopelessly slow to > open up, so I dragged the old calculator from the backup copy of Mac OS > X 10.1 and it works fine. > > Problems occur when Apple makes major changes to parts of the operating > system which an old application relies on - that happened in classic > and Mac OS X, as well as Windows and any other operating system. The > obvious example is commercial games of course, which quite often fall > over trying to run on a newer operating system. Well I'm guessing the calculator app doesn't call many rapidly updated libraries and APIs. But Safari OTOH... Still - I did not know that about Calculator - interesting! :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-30 09:38 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <301120130938094582%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52850 |
In article <1ld44zu.1haj7pr1taxy5xN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > In article <1ld3i3l.nt49zj1sbf2bvN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie > > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, > > > > > > Jamie > > > > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to > > > > > > > > drag > > > > > > > > content too bit to fit in a window. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of > > > > > > > > files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would > it > > > > > > > > work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the > hand > > > > > > > > which is missing from the Maveriks version. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but > > > > > > > nowadays > > > > > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the > > > > > > game > > > > > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made > > > > > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the > > > > > > sounds. > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the > > > > > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for > > > > > Lemmings > > > > > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never > > > > > tried > > > > > it under 9). > > > > > > > > It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an > > > > example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same > > > > method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When > > > > Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old > > > > applications that relied on that particular system resource. > > > > > > Yeah but I was talking about parts of System 7.1 working in 7.6 and > > > parts of 8 working in 8.6. Not apps like AppleWorks or Filemaker, but > > > the apps/applets/control panels/extensions that were part of the system > > > in classic days. I wish I could remember some examples... it's been so > > > long. But I recall mixing and matching parts of the older system > > > software fairly often for various reasons, throughout my years of > > > classic MacOS use. > > > > You can still do that with Mac OS X. For example, when I upgrade this > > computer to Mac OS X 8.2, the new calculator was hopelessly slow to > > open up, so I dragged the old calculator from the backup copy of Mac OS > > X 10.1 and it works fine. > > > > Problems occur when Apple makes major changes to parts of the operating > > system which an old application relies on - that happened in classic > > and Mac OS X, as well as Windows and any other operating system. The > > obvious example is commercial games of course, which quite often fall > > over trying to run on a newer operating system. > > Well I'm guessing the calculator app doesn't call many rapidly updated > libraries and APIs. But Safari OTOH... > > Still - I did not know that about Calculator - interesting! :-) The 10.1 Calculator is a nice, quick, simple function calculator for adding / subtracting / multiplying / dividing numbers. The 10.2 Calculator on the other hand is an rather over-bloated and slow, with scientific and paper tape options, conversions, etc. I keep both versions in the Applications folder (with the 10.2 one renamed as "Calculator Scientific), but most of the time I need it is when needing to do simple calculations, so the 10.1 version lives in the Dock.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 13:17 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <281120131317234304%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52754 |
In article <l75ikt$plv$1@dont-email.me>, Kiraly <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote: > In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote: > > > So they broke it for mouse users? > > > > Broke what? > > The ability to move an image around with the mouse. Click and drag is > how this was always done by using the hand drag tool. That tool was > removed and we can't click and drag an image anymore. Now we have to > click and drag the scroll bars to move the image. I don't know if it works, but it could be worth trying the various modifier key combinations while clicking / dragging (for example Option-drag, or Command-drag, or Shift-Option-drag).
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 01:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl9d632.qq1.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #52754 |
In message <l75ikt$plv$1@dont-email.me> Kiraly <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote: > In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote: >> > So they broke it for mouse users? >> >> Broke what? > The ability to move an image around with the mouse. Click and drag is > how this was always done by using the hand drag tool. That tool was > removed and we can't click and drag an image anymore. Now we have to > click and drag the scroll bars to move the image. I don't believe this is true, in point of fact, but I don't have a mouse connected to my laptop to check. I still think there is a way to move the zoomed image in preview without the scrollbars. -- 'Sometimes there has to be a civil war, and sometimes, afterwards, it's best to pretend something didn't happen. Sometimes people have to do a job, and then they have to be forgotten.' --Men at Arms
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 23:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l78l1l$uvv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52779 |
In comp.sys.mac.system Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > I don't believe this is true, in point of fact, but I don't have a mouse > connected to my laptop to check. I still think there is a way to move > the zoomed image in preview without the scrollbars. Nope. Two dimensional scrolling (I think the correct term is panning?) in which the image moves in tandem with mouse movement, is no longer possible in Preview. One-dimensional scrolling is still possible by using the scroll wheel (up & down, or by holding shift, left & right), or by clicking and dragging the scroll bars. But this etch-a-skech method of moving to the part of the image you want is in no way a suitable replacement for the panning ability of the 2-D hand drag tool. -- K. Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 13:21 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <261120131321286361%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52657 |
In article <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
> document that is zoomed in on.
>
> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
> resurrected?
>
> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll
> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even
> that option is gone.
Assuming the PDF is bigger than the windows, then the arrow keys on the
keyboard might work, but I don't see why the scrollbars aren't there
(they are stupidly hidden these days of course).
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-25 18:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112518125523801-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #52663 |
On 2013-11-26 00:21:28 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> In article <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
>> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
>> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
>> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
>> document that is zoomed in on.
>>
>> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
>> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
>> resurrected?
>>
>> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll
>> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even
>> that option is gone.
>
> Assuming the PDF is bigger than the windows, then the arrow keys on the
> keyboard might work, but I don't see why the scrollbars aren't there
> (they are stupidly hidden these days of course).
Just checked. The arrow keys work as you suggested.
I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that
ain't broke. It results in a worse user experience than existed in
earlier versions of a particular application. Change for change's sake
is not a good philosophy, neither is the minimal approach the best one,
even if it is a Jony Ive principle.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <261120131612550382%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #52671 |
In article <2013112518125523801-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-11-26 00:21:28 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> > In article <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
> >> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
> >> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
> >> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
> >> document that is zoomed in on.
> >>
> >> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
> >> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
> >> resurrected?
> >>
> >> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll
> >> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even
> >> that option is gone.
> >
> > Assuming the PDF is bigger than the windows, then the arrow keys on the
> > keyboard might work, but I don't see why the scrollbars aren't there
> > (they are stupidly hidden these days of course).
>
> Just checked. The arrow keys work as you suggested.
>
> I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that
> ain't broke. It results in a worse user experience than existed in
> earlier versions of a particular application. Change for change's sake
> is not a good philosophy, neither is the minimal approach the best one,
> even if it is a Jony Ive principle.
The disappearing scrollbars are a stupid decision that pre-dates Ive
direct interference, although. he might have been involved indirectly.
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 14:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l729pf$vdf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52671 |
In comp.sys.mac.system Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> wrote:
> I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that
> ain't broke.
They want you to buy a trackpad.
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 07:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112607445497142-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #52688 |
On 2013-11-26 14:04:31 +0000, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) said:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> wrote:
>> I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that
>> ain't broke.
>
> They want you to buy a trackpad.
They might want me to buy a trackpad, but my input devices of choice
remain a MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. A trackpad does not
provide the precision and ease of interaction of those devices, and I
have no interest in learning a bizarre set of gestures.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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